Khaosai Galaxy Vs R. Marquez -

meade95 · Post by **meade95** » 26 May 2006, 12:00

What if the 80's / early 90's best JBW went up against today's best BW -

I don't necessarily think the move up to BW from JBW would effect Khaosai Galaxy all that much....in that he had the frame to easily move up -

Without question it would have been an excellent match up of two huge punchers.....My take is that Galaxy has the better chin and went to the body extremely well .....

K. Galaxy TKO somewhere between the 5th - 8th rds (after probably picking himself up off the canvas one time in the process)

meade95 · Post by **meade95** » 26 May 2006, 12:02

Another interesting match up would have been...

Today's top JBW Masamori Tokuyama (who has seen his stock rise quite well in the new boxrec all time ratings)....Vs the second best JBW of the 80's / early 90's Sung Kil Moon -

My take here is Tokuyama outboxes Moon over the first half of the fight but wilts to the non-stop agression of Sung Kil Moon late....Moon KO 9th-

barry · Post by **barry** » 27 May 2006, 02:08

Good match-up. I'd have to lean toward Marquez being that Galaxy was such a slow starter and almost always was vulnerable early in fights and if Marquez got him hurt...I just don't see him getting away. But if Galaxy could make it through the first five rounds then he would have a very good chance and would probably then stop Marquez. Marquez early, or Galaxy late!

Arbachakov · Post by **Arbachakov** » 27 May 2006, 06:42

Galaxy would starch him.He hits even harder and has the better chin.

The 80s was loaded with good super-flys.Watanabe, Orono, Poonterat, Rojas. Roman, Konadu, Moon, Laciar...

barry · Post by **barry** » 27 May 2006, 06:53

>>>Galaxy would starch him.He hits even harder and has the better chin. The 80s was loaded with good super-flys.Watanabe, Orono, Poonterat, Rojas. Roman, Konadu, Moon, Laciar...<<<

Maybe…maybe not! Galaxy certainly had the better chin, but punching-wise…they both hit like middleweights…over-all skill, I would give the edge to Marquez. Endurance…no questions…Galaxy! Galaxy was a bull and that is exactly how he fought…he simply just overpowered and overwhelmed his opponents, though if he came in against Marquez with that balls-out attack, it could very easily be his downfall because like Galaxy, Marquez could certainly end matters with one shot and Galaxy was never a fighter that was hard to hit.

I agree about 80s being loaded with talent, but Galaxy failed to fight the very best opposition that he could have, which has really hurt his name for a lot fans outside of Thailand and Asia.

I am very, very glad that Galaxy is in the Hall of Fame. Asian fighters in general are often and unfairly over-looked, but it is hard to ignore a record of 20-0-0 (17 KO) in titles fights!

Arbachakov · Post by **Arbachakov** » 27 May 2006, 07:00

I agree that Galaxy's compeition was largely awful.He never really showed any interest in fighting the other elite guys.

A washed up Orono was probably his best opponent.

barry · Post by **barry** » 27 May 2006, 07:17

How about a fight between Galaxy and your namesake Arbachakov?

That's another tough call.

vagabundo55 · Post by **vagabundo55** » 27 May 2006, 10:04

barry wrote:Good match-up. I'd have to lean toward Marquez being that Galaxy was such a slow starter and almost always was vulnerable early in fights and if Marquez got him hurt...I just don't see him getting away. But if Galaxy could make it through the first five rounds then he would have a very good chance and would probably then stop Marquez. Marquez early, or Galaxy late!

This is how i'd see it.

meade95 · Post by **meade95** » 27 May 2006, 10:32

Arbachakov wrote:I agree that Galaxy's compeition was largely awful.He never really showed any interest in fighting the other elite guys.

A washed up Orono was probably his best opponent.

The notion that Khaosai Galaxy's competition was bad is simply wrong - He fought quality competition throughout his entire title reign...and the reality is the other champions avoided him....hell the WBA king back then simply vacated his belt instead of fighting him ...when Galaxy was ranked #1 -

Furthermore Galaxy did fight and beat the other long reigning IBF JBW champion during his regin....that was E. Pical - And he beat him on the road in Pical's HOME COUNTRY and HOMETOWN to boot (KO 14th).

The reality is K. Galaxy Resume is very impressive by all measures....

The notion that Galaxy only fought in Thailand is incorrect. He defended his world title in a number of places outside of Thailand...

He traveld and beat a highly thought of IBF JBW Champion Ellyas Pical, in Jakarta, Indonesia.....so this was in all effect a "unification" title fight...yet the IBF wouldn't put Pical's title on the line....Yet Galaxy still took the fight and was the only one risking his title belt......yet he took it...travled and KHTFO!

He traveld and beat the undefeated / big punching Israel Contreras (24-0-1) in Willemstad, Curacao -

He traveld and beat Chang Ho Choi in Seoul, Korea -

He traveld and beat Kenji Matsumura, in Japan (Twice) -

Outside of the quality competition listed above....Galaxy also fought and beat...the following...

Rafael Orono 32-2-1 (WBC JBW World Champion....had an accomplished reign as champion)

Edgar Omar Monserrat 13-1-0 (Highly rated challenger....fought for sevearl world titles)

Israel Contreras 24-0-1 (Went on to win WBO & WBA BW World Titles)

Ellyas Pical 16-1-0 (Long reigning IBF JBW Champion...8 defenses...when he lost to K. Galaxy his IBF belt wasn't on the line....Galaxy's WBA belt was)

Tae-Il Chang 26-2-1 (Won IBF World Title)

Alberto Castro 21-2-1 (solid challenger)

Cobra Ari Blanca 30-5-3 (challenged for several world titles)

Shunichi Nakajima 23-4-0 (Japanese super fyweight Champion)

Yong Kang Kim 21-2-0 (Went on to win 2 world titles)

Ernesto Ford 21-1-0 (ranked in the top 10 of all three world titles at the time)

Jae-Sok Park 14-1-0 (ranked #3 at the time)

David Griman 13-0-0 (Went on to win WBA Fly Title)

Chang Ho Choi 18-2-0 (IBF Fly World Champion)

Dong Chun Lee 20-5-1 (former OPBF Super Flyweight Title)

So the reality is not only did K. Galaxy travel and beat opponents....but he faced a very healthy resume during his long and impressive reign while being actively avoided by several of the other champions -

barry · Post by **barry** » 27 May 2006, 10:46

>>>The notion that Khaosai Galaxy's competition was bad is simply wrong<<<

I don't think anyone said it was bad, it was for the most part pretty good, but he clearly did not face some of the very best opponents available!

Arbachakov · Post by **Arbachakov** » 27 May 2006, 11:00

Meade, you can throw out as many records as you want and say they were solid guys.

I followed his career as it happened and have seen pretty much all of his title defences and imo most of those fighters were flat-out terrible, padded record tomato can challengers.Orono was the best and very good....he was also shot when he fought Galaxy.Yong-Kang Kim was also good, however he was a natural flyweight and couldn't cope with the increase in weight.

Watanabe did not duck Galaxy, he choose to unify against Poonterat and the WBA did their usual strip the man for not facing the no. 1 contender schtick.

IMO Watanabe was a better fighter.He was very complete and had a terrific combination of skill and power.Galaxy was a slow-footed plodder with great power, but not at all versatile.Khaosai is lucky he did not fight Jiro.

Galaxy was a very good fighter, but say he had good quality opposition is a big stretch to me.I also don't buy that all of the other champions avoided him.It sure didn't seem like that when i was following the division at the time.

meade95 · Post by **meade95** » 27 May 2006, 11:11

Arbachakov wrote:Meade, you can throw out as many records as you want and say they were solid guys.

I followed his career as it happened and have seen pretty much all of his title defences and imo most of those fighters were flat-out terrible, padded record tomato can challengers.Orono was the best and very good....he was also shot when he fought Galaxy.Yong-Kang Kim was also good, however he was a natural flyweight and couldn't cope with the increase in weight.

Watanabe did not duck Galaxy, he choose to unify against Poonterat and the WBA did their usual strip the man for not facing the no. 1 contender schtick.

IMO Watanabe was a better fighter.He was very complete and had a terrific combination of skill and power.Galaxy was a slow-footed plodder with great power, but not at all versatile.Khaosai is lucky he did not fight Jiro.

Galaxy was a very good fighter, but say he had good quality opposition is a big stretch to me.I also don't buy that all of the other champions avoided him.It sure didn't seem like that when i was following the division at the time.

Well will agree to disagree here....and I too followed his career while it happened and have over 20 of his fights on tape - To suggst his opponents were "flat out terrible"...is complete BS! (to the point of not needed further discussion...Let's simply stick to back to the subject of "what if"...Marquez Vs Galaxy)

Regarding Galaxy's career that simple reality is above in what I posted. He faced a handful of fellow champions, plenty of top challengers...and was clearly avoided by the others.

And J. Watanabe did simply give up his belt instead of fighting him...he most certainly did. He could have fought #1 rated Galaxy all the entire second half of 1983 and into the first full half of 84 (when he fought 3 other guys)....Watanabe was then given one last mandate to face Galaxy and instead he choose to go fight for another title (WBC) Vs the MUCH easier Payao Poontarat (who finished with a career record of 10-4. (wise move by J. Watanabe...I never said he was dumb...just that he wanted no part of Galaxy.).

Galaxy fought as good or better competition then any of the other JBW champions of his era....and better competition on the whole then any of today's JBW champions (and BW champions for that matter).

The best fight possible that could have happened was Galaxy Vs Sun Kil Moon......but that never came about.

Sung Kil Moon is vastly underrated by many.

But back to Galaxy. The reality is he fought all types and beat them. Bangers, boxers, runners and simply walked them all down. Galaxy was a tremendous body puncher and systematically broke his opponents down.....and he had untiring stamina to boot.

meade95 · Post by **meade95** » 27 May 2006, 11:28

barry wrote:Good match-up. I'd have to lean toward Marquez being that Galaxy was such a slow starter and almost always was vulnerable early in fights and if Marquez got him hurt...I just don't see him getting away. But if Galaxy could make it through the first five rounds then he would have a very good chance and would probably then stop Marquez. Marquez early, or Galaxy late!

Agreed Galaxy was a slower starter which Marquez would have had to try and use to his advantage...but I see Galaxy having the chin and stamina to likely pick himself off the canvas and then systematically break Marquez down with a mid round TKO -

But good analysis.

scottmallon · Post by **scottmallon** » 29 May 2006, 23:06

Personally I think Galaxy would have beaten Marquez's ass but I know him, have seen all of his fights and I just don't see him going down for anyone. The guy is an animal.

That said - while his level of competition was decent to good, the bottom line is he didn't fight the very best and he didn't fight in the US which is "the" market to get the top fighters the exposure and fights they need to be as good as they can be.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 30 May 2006, 02:53

I wonder if Galaxy had enough finesse to beat Marquez. Marquez can be a pretty fine technician and a killer of a puncher. He's very precise, unlike the crude Galaxy.

Unlike Galaxy, it's hard to fault Marquez' opposition: a great fight with Mark Johnson, a Ko of him in the rematch, a stoppage of the excellent Tim Austin, two wins over Pastrana and a stoppage of Mabuza.

I have to go with Marquez on ability and proven skills vs high quality opponents. At least two of those men, poss 3, were favoured to beat Marquez (ppl were split on Mabuza)

A question, which may be slightly more relevant, is how would Marquez-Sahaprom played out? As when Marquez won his title, Sahaprom already had his portion of the title & a lengthy reign...was that a dream fight or what? Sahaprom was a lot faster than Galaxy

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 30 May 2006, 02:54

scottmallon wrote:Personally I think Galaxy would have beaten Marquez's ass but I know him, have seen all of his fights and I just don't see him going down for anyone. The guy is an animal.

That said - while his level of competition was decent to good, the bottom line is he didn't fight the very best and he didn't fight in the US which is "the" market to get the top fighters the exposure and fights they need to be as good as they can be.

problem was, that until Carbajal, US fighters just weren't associated with the lighter classes

barry · Post by **barry** » 30 May 2006, 06:54

Galazy was a bull...skill-wise Marquez would eat him up and though Galaxy had a hell of a chin, he was never hit by anyone that could punch like Marquez and being that Galaxy was knocked down in the first couple of rounds in a few fights against weaker competition than Marquez, then I could easily see Marquez just overwhelming Galaxy early, but if not, then I could see Galaxy stopping Marquez in the middle to late rounds!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 30 May 2006, 08:27

how about Marquez vs Veeraphol Sahaprom, prime for prime, anyone? Sahaprom was a better technical fighter than Galaxy, he also had a really punishing workrate

barry · Post by **barry** » 30 May 2006, 08:42

Tough call, but another bout where I would go with Marquez early, or Sahaprom later.

meade95 · Post by **meade95** » 30 May 2006, 12:49

viciousmaussa wrote:I wonder if Galaxy had enough finesse to beat Marquez. Marquez can be a pretty fine technician and a killer of a puncher. He's very precise, unlike the crude Galaxy.

Unlike Galaxy, it's hard to fault Marquez' opposition: a great fight with Mark Johnson, a Ko of him in the rematch, a stoppage of the excellent Tim Austin, two wins over Pastrana and a stoppage of Mabuza.

I have to go with Marquez on ability and proven skills vs high quality opponents. At least two of those men, poss 3, were favoured to beat Marquez (ppl were split on Mabuza)

A question, which may be slightly more relevant, is how would Marquez-Sahaprom played out? As when Marquez won his title, Sahaprom already had his portion of the title & a lengthy reign...was that a dream fight or what? Sahaprom was a lot faster than Galaxy

I understand Galaxy wasn't the "boxer / puncher" of R. Marquez's mode in the least....but he also wasn't as wasn't as "crude" as many like to suggest.....only in the sense that he simply came forward at you for a full 12 rounds....but he went to the body very well....in a systematic type way...which would have hurt R. Marquez. (he simply wasn't a head-hunter type power puncher in the least).

Also I'd take Galaxy's competition as the same as R. Marquez on the whole - (the reality is a number of fighters out of Asia are tough SOBs who simply don't have name recognition here in the States).... T. Austin was a very good win for Marquez...but Austin's chin and stamina were two big "if's" every time he stepped into the ring....And Marquez beat a Mark Johnson that was post-prime and a weight division up from his best to boot.

Marquez quesitonable chin and Galaxy's body punching would be the difference (IMO). As for Galaxy being dropped a few times (in early rounds).....He was never really hurt...and he simply got up and walked right back into his opponents.

Though Marquez does have the power that Galaxy was likely never hit with....but without question Marquez also has never been faced with a puncher with Galaxy's power either.....and Marquez has been stopped 3 times.

A fight Vs Veeraphol Sahaprom Vs R. Marquez would have been another classic...when Veeraphol was in his prime......A pick'em in my mind.

Both guys can box (better then most think) and both can punch...with Marquez having the edge in this department.....Veeraphol has the better defense of the two...as Marquez does leave his chin up there to be hit more so then Veeraphol in his prime.

Would have been a great match. I'm with Barry on this one. Marquez early (within the first 5 rounds)...past 5 rounds I'd go with Veeraphol.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 30 May 2006, 13:41

meade95 wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:I wonder if Galaxy had enough finesse to beat Marquez. Marquez can be a pretty fine technician and a killer of a puncher. He's very precise, unlike the crude Galaxy.

Unlike Galaxy, it's hard to fault Marquez' opposition: a great fight with Mark Johnson, a Ko of him in the rematch, a stoppage of the excellent Tim Austin, two wins over Pastrana and a stoppage of Mabuza.

I have to go with Marquez on ability and proven skills vs high quality opponents. At least two of those men, poss 3, were favoured to beat Marquez (ppl were split on Mabuza)

A question, which may be slightly more relevant, is how would Marquez-Sahaprom played out? As when Marquez won his title, Sahaprom already had his portion of the title & a lengthy reign...was that a dream fight or what? Sahaprom was a lot faster than Galaxy
I understand Galaxy wasn't the "boxer / puncher" of R. Marquez's mode in the least....but he also wasn't as wasn't as "crude" as many like to suggest.....only in the sense that he simply came forward at you for a full 12 rounds....but he went to the body very well....in a systematic type way...which would have hurt R. Marquez. (he simply wasn't a head-hunter type power puncher in the least).

Also I'd take Galaxy's competition as the same as R. Marquez on the whole - (the reality is a number of fighters out of Asia are tough SOBs who simply don't have name recognition here in the States).... T. Austin was a veyr good win for Marquez...but Austin's chin and stamina were two big "if's" every time he stepped into the ring....And Marquez beat a Mark Johnson that was post-prime and a weight division up from his best to boot.

Marquez quesitonable chin and Galaxy's body punching would be the difference (IMO). As for Galaxy being dropped a few times (in early rounds).....He was never really hurt...and he simply got up and walked right back into his opponents.

Though Marquez does have the power that Galaxy likely never was hit with....but without question Marquez also has never been faced with a puncher with Galaxy's power either.....and Marquez has been stopped 3 times.

A fight Vs Veeraphol Sahaprom Vs R. Marquez would have been another classic...when Veeraphol was in his prime......A pick'em in my mind.

Both guys can box (better then most think) and both can punch...with Marquez having the edge in this department.....Veeraphol has the better defense of the two...as Marquez does leave his chin up there to be hit more so then Veeraphol in his prime.

Would have been a great match. I'm with Barry on this one. Marquez early (within the first 5 rounds)...past 5 rounds I'd go with Veeraphol.

i'll admit, the galaxy fights i've seen are the ones closer to the end of his career

barry · Post by **barry** » 30 May 2006, 16:10

Hell, Galaxy was only 31, or 32 when he retired. One thing that seems noteworthy, or at least I think so is that a lot of Asian fighters, when they retire they most of the time stay retired without making any fool-hearty comeback attepmt, though some do!

Arbachakov · Post by **Arbachakov** » 30 May 2006, 16:17

31 is generally ancient for anything below 126.

Most of the Flyweights and Bantams peak in their early 20's.This is part of the reason Jofre's comeback is so highly regarded.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 31 May 2006, 00:44

barry wrote:Hell, Galaxy was only 31, or 32 when he retired. One thing that seems noteworthy, or at least I think so is that a lot of Asian fighters, when they retire they most of the time stay retired without making any fool-hearty comeback attepmt, though some do!

I didn't like Chitalada's coming back to fight Kittikassem, that was sad, he looked like a guy struggling to remember the plot in their 2nd fight (though he was 'only' around 30)

meade95 · Post by **meade95** » 31 May 2006, 08:10

Arbachakov wrote:31 is generally ancient for anything below 126.

Most of the Flyweights and Bantams peak in their early 20's.This is part of the reason Jofre's comeback is so highly regarded.

Without question this is typcially the case -

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