THE 50 GREATEST FIGHTERS EVER POUND FOR POUND

dmt · Post by **dmt** » 20 Jul 2006, 20:05

Anyway here we go:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Sam Langford
4. Roberto Duran
5. Harry Greb
6. Benny Leonard
7. Joe Gans
8. Ezzard Charles
9. Archie Moore
10. Eder Jofre
11-12-tie- Willie Pep and Sandy Saddler
13. Muhammad Ali
14. Joe Louis
15. Bob Fitzimmons
16. Sugar Ray Leonard
17. Jimmy Wildie
18. Marvin Hagler
19. Carlos Monzon
20. Jose Napoles
21. Alexis Arguello
22. Barney Ross
23. Tommy Hearns
24. Jack Dempsey
25. Rocky Marciano
26. Perenell Whitaker
27. Julio Cesar Chavez
28. George Dixon
29. Gene Tunney
30. Tony Canzoneri
31. Larry Holmes
32. Carlos Zarate
33. Michael Spinks
34. Mickey Walker
35. Emilie Griffith
36. Mike McCallum
37. Charley Burley
38. Jimmy McLarrin
39. George Foreman
40. Joe Frazier
41. Evander Holyfield
42. Salvador Sanchez
43. Azumah Nelson
44. Wilfredo Gomez
45. JOE Waclott, Barbados
46. Billy Conn
47. Bob Foster
48. Roy Jones jr
49. Oscar De La Hoya
50. Ike Williams

dmt · Post by **dmt** » 20 Jul 2006, 20:13

any thoughts???

thunderfromdownunder · Post by **thunderfromdownunder** » 20 Jul 2006, 20:21

good list...
but were's Jeff Fenech

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 20 Jul 2006, 20:28

Pretty list from 1 to 30.

I could not consider Oscar De Lahoya, Charley Burley, Azumah Nelson nor Bob Foster top 50 material. The rest are worthy of top 50 condideration.

Even though Duran was my favorite fighter of all time, I cannot put him on top of Ali...But any way, great list. I will put my top 50 in the next post.

dmt · Post by **dmt** » 20 Jul 2006, 20:53

Burley is very underated IMO.

thanks for the replys

theone · Post by **theone** » 20 Jul 2006, 21:00

Overall the list is good, I just dont agree with some of the placements.

Ali is at least the 1st or 2nd greatest fighter p4p of all time in my opinion.
Eddie Jofre over him? This is unjustifiable.
Duran is too high, and Fitzsimmons over Leonard is mind boggling.
Hagler over Monzon is head scratching.
Whitaker and Chavez are way too low, no way should Napoles, Arguello, or Fitzsimmons be ranked higher than them. I can even argue them being over,Burley, Hearns, Hagler,Saddler,Wilde,and Moore. But these are at least repectable choices, so I wont.

dmt · Post by **dmt** » 20 Jul 2006, 21:01

Decagon wrote:Nice list.

thanks

dmt · Post by **dmt** » 20 Jul 2006, 21:02

theone wrote:Overall the list is good, I just dont agree with some of the placements.

Ali is at least the 1st or 2nd greatest fighter p4p of all time in my opinion.
Eddie Jofre over him? This is unjustifiable.
Duran is too high, and Fitzsimmons over Leonard is mind boggling.
Hagler over Monzon is head scratching.
Whitaker and Chavez are way too low, no way should Napoles, Arguello, or Fitzsimmons be ranked higher than them. I can even argue them being over Hearns, Hagler,Saddler,Wilde,and Moore. But these are at least repectable choices, so I wont.

ali is one of my favourites but i don't think he should be 1 or 2

scottmallon · Post by **scottmallon** » 20 Jul 2006, 21:04

thunderfromdownunder wrote:good list...
but were's Jeff Fenech

Maybe he's not there because he doesn't belong there!

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 20 Jul 2006, 21:06

This is my top 50 Greatest Fighters of All Time list:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong....Could be #1 in many people's list. I wouldn't argue it.

3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Joe Gans
9. Jack Johnson
10. Sam Langford...If he were a world champion, he would have been top 3!!!

11. Benny Leonard
12. Tony Canzoneri...Way overlooked!!!
13. Sugar Ray Leonard
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Pernell Whitaker...The best fighter of his generation; No doubt!!!
16. Carlos Monzon

17. Ezzard Charles...What a fighter!!! I am glad that this forum gives him the recognition that he deserves
18. Archie Moore... If it were not for Ezzard Charles, this guy would have been pretty high in my list

19. Jimmy Wilde... the best fightet of his time. The best of the 1910s...Would anybody disgree?

20. Jack Dempsey
21. Marvin Hagler
22. Julio Cesar Chavez... Could have been the greatest fighter ever if he would have beaten Pernell Whitaker by KO

23. Sandy Saddler
24. Alexis Arguello
25. Stanley Ketchel
26. Eder Jofre
27. Barney Ross
28. Terry McGovern
29. Evander Holyfield... The best heavy of his time. The greatest cruiserweight of all time

30. Mickey Walker
31. Ike Williams
32. Emile Griffith
33. Gene Tunney

34. Freddie Miller... How can a guy that has more than 200 wins is not considered a top 50 material? Can any one explain me why? He also fought in 247 straight fights without being stopped and was stopped only once, which was his last bout and defended the feather title 11 times in 3 years.

35. Panama Al Brown...Another overlooked fighter. Probably the greatest bantam ever. Fought for 20 years in the pro ranks all over the world and has the record of most fights in a career without being Ko'd with 166 total bouts

36. Joe Walcott... The Barbados Demon
37. George Foreman
38. Larry Holmes
39. Kid Gavilan...Colorful
40. Salvador Sanchez... What could have been???
41. Bob Fitzsimmons
42. Ruben Olivares
43. Dick Tiger
44. Kid Chocolate
45. Michael Spinks
46. Carmen Basilio...One of the roughest and toughest fighters ever!!!
47. Roy Jones, Jr.
48. Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles
49. Joe Frazier
50. Thomas Hearns...His chin FAILED hi in the 2 greatest fighters of his career. But what a performer!!!

dmt · Post by **dmt** » 20 Jul 2006, 21:10

elmersalsa wrote:This is my top 50 Greatest Fighters of All Time list:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong....Could be #1 in many people's list. I wouldn't argue it.

3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Joe Gans
9. Jack Johnson
10. Sam Langford...If he were a world champion, he would have been top 3!!!

11. Benny Leonard
12. Tony Canzoneri...Way overlooked!!!
13. Sugar Ray Leonard
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Pernell Whitaker...The best fighter of his generation; No doubt!!!
16. Carlos Monzon

17. Ezzard Charles...What a fighter!!! I am glad that this forum gives him the recognition that he deserves
18. Archie Moore... If it were not for Ezzard Charles, this guy would have been pretty high in my list

19. Jimmy Wilde... the best fightet of his time. The best of the 1910s...Would anybody disgree?

20. Jack Dempsey
21. Marvin Hagler
22. Julio Cesar Chavez... Could have been the greatest fighter ever if he would have beaten Pernell Whitaker by KO

23. Sandy Saddler
24. Alexis Arguello
25. Stanley Ketchel
26. Eder Jofre
27. Barney Ross
28. Terry McGovern
29. Evander Holyfield... The best heavy of his time. The greatest cruiserweight of all time

30. Mickey Walker
31. Ike Williams
32. Emile Griffith
33. Gene Tunney

34. Freddie Miller... How can a guy that has more than 200 wins is not considered a top 50 material? Can any one explain me why? He also fought in 247 straight fights without being stopped and was stopped only once, which was his last bout and defended the feather title 11 times in 3 years.

35. Panama Al Brown...Another overlooked fighter. Probably the greatest bantam ever. Fought for 20 years in the pro ranks all over the world and has the record of most fights in a career without being Ko'd with 166 total bouts

36. Joe Walcott... The Barbados Demon
37. George Foreman
38. Larry Holmes
39. Kid Gavilan...Colorful
40. Salvador Sanchez... What could have been???
41. Bob Fitzsimmons
42. Ruben Olivares
43. Dick Tiger
44. Kid Chocolate
45. Michael Spinks
46. Carmen Basilio...One of the roughest and toughest fighters ever!!!
47. Roy Jones, Jr.
48. Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles
49. Joe Frazier
50. Thomas Hearns...His chin FAILED hi in the 2 greatest fighters of his career. But what a performer!!!

good work but p4p Langford is greater than Johnson

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 20 Jul 2006, 21:16

Both are excellent and competent lists. As regards individual placements, there will always be disagreements of course - both have Dempsey and Marciano too high for my taste, Conn too low, dmt has also Fitzsimmons too high, and elmersalsa punishes Langford for something outside Langford's control (Langford was the world's best fighter in the early 1910s, whether he held a title or not). But these disagreements are unavoidable.

dmt · Post by **dmt** » 20 Jul 2006, 21:18

i think dempaey and Marciano are about right

dmt · Post by **dmt** » 20 Jul 2006, 21:23

and Langford should be top 5 IMO

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 20 Jul 2006, 21:26

dmt wrote:and Langford should be top 5 IMO

On this one I'm with you.

dmt · Post by **dmt** » 20 Jul 2006, 21:31

pundit wrote:
dmt wrote:and Langford should be top 5 IMO
On this one I'm with you.

Langford looks great on fil and his resume is incredible

thunderfromdownunder · Post by **thunderfromdownunder** » 20 Jul 2006, 21:33

i could probaly put Julio Cesar Chavez i bit higher on my list

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 20 Jul 2006, 21:36

dmt wrote:
pundit wrote:
dmt wrote:and Langford should be top 5 IMO
On this one I'm with you.
Langford looks great on fil and his resume is incredible

Yep. Plus he had a habit of beating up much bigger men (similar to Greb).

I like your top 5. Ali and Louis I'd have a little bit higher.

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 20 Jul 2006, 23:03

Someone should do the top 250 boxers ever.

el tigre del sur · Post by **el tigre del sur** » 21 Jul 2006, 03:35

elmersalsa wrote:50. Thomas Hearns...His chin FAILED hi in the 2 greatest fighters of his career. But what a performer!!!

I think if Tommy had a great chin then he would be top 20. He could box, had great power, moved successfully up the weight classes, fought everyone there was to fight. If his chin held out against Hagler & Leonard then he would be viewed in a totally different light.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 21 Jul 2006, 04:24

Excellent list.

I think Eusebio Pedroza and Azumah Nelson are about even...

Your top 10 is very strong and similar to my own.

dmt · Post by **dmt** » 21 Jul 2006, 05:53

Ezzard wrote:Excellent list.

I think Eusebio Pedroza and Azumah Nelson are about even...

Your top 10 is very strong and similar to my own.

dmt · Post by **dmt** » 21 Jul 2006, 13:47

i'd like to see some other lists

meade95 · Post by **meade95** » 22 Jul 2006, 08:43

On a top true P4P list -

I think J. Fenech deserves to be on the list -

I'd have E. Holyfield slightly higher (top-15) - In his prime very few would have ever beaten him that came in at his same weight -

I think Khaosai Galaxy definitely belongs on any Top 50 list as well - He is underrated for those who haven't seem him -

theone · Post by **theone** » 22 Jul 2006, 16:08

I stopped at 36 partly out of laziness, and mostly because I figure #37 thru 50 seem interchangeable so why bother. I added comments for the top ten. Number 10 & 11 are equally great.

1.Muhammed Ali- Arguably beat 5 of the top ten heavyweights of all time. Has the most impressive hit list of any fighter in histroy.
2. Ray Robinson- I could easily be convinced to put him at # 1.
3. Henry Armnstrong- Just a slight notch below #1 and 2.
4. Harry Greb- I usually dont like to rank fighters I have never seen at least on film; but his resume leaves absolutely no doubt how great he was.
5. Sam Langford- See above.
6. Ray Leonard- As close too a perfect fighter as you can get.
7. Willie Pep- Greatest defensive fighter ever.
8. Joe Louis - Greatest title reign ever at any weight.
9. Roberto Duran-Style and popularity get him overrated a tad in my opinoin but he still ranks very highly with me.
10. Pernell Whitaker- Second greatest defensive fighter ever.
11. Julio Cesar Chavez- People seem to forget how very close he came to being considered at the very top of the list.
12. Ezzard Charles
13. Archie Moore
14. Carlos Monzon
15. Benny Leonard
16. Gene Tunney
17. Michael Spinks
18.Roy Jones Jr.
19. George Foreman
20. Bernard Hopkins
21. Joe Frazier
22. Tommy Hearns
23. Marvin Hagler
24. Tiger Flowers
25. Larry Holmes
26. Sandy Saddler
27. Evander Holyfield
28. Barney Ross
29. Lennox Lewis
30. Jimmy Wilde
31. Rocky Marciano
32. Alexis Arguello
33. Mickey Walker
34. Ricardo Lopez
35. Tony Canzoneri
36. Jose Napoles

I stopped at 36 partly out of laziness, and mostly because I figure #37 thru 50 seem interchangeable to em so why bother..