LOOKS LIKE GARY DELANEYS SET FOR THE SLAMMER

[overhand_right]

Okay the details are somewhat sketchy but GD was workin the door & basically the guy was disputing Delaneys heavy handed treatment of his mate so Delaney hit him with a huge uppercut that lifted him off the floor & crushed his skull on the way down.

Delaneys such a big powerful guy he could have diffused the situation or controlled the guy without resorting to such an excessive & brutal measure like throwing an uppercut to me personally that is just another bully bouncer throwing his weight around, as well as a heavyweight boxer using his skills on some poor bastard on the street.

Delaney deserves to serve some long hard time IMO.

[jimcook]

Okay the details are somewhat sketchy but GD was workin the door & basically the guy was disputing Delaneys heavy handed treatment of his mate so Delaney hit him with a huge uppercut that lifted him off the floor & crushed his skull on the way down.

Delaneys such a big powerful guy he could have diffused the situation or controlled the guy without resorting to such an excessive & brutal measure like throwing an uppercut to me personally that is just another bully bouncer throwing his weight around, as well as a heavyweight boxer using his skills on some poor bastard on the street.

Delaney deserves to serve some long hard time IMO.

i dont know the details,and my automatic response to something like this would be the same as yours,but,anyone who argues with or wants to fight bouncers is asking for trouble.its not important that he was a boxer.there are plenty of scumbags walking the streets with martial arts training,on steroids,or carrying weapons,or a mixture of all three. if you are looking for trouble , challenging bouncers is a pretty good way to find it. arguing with bouncers is just as stupid as arguing with a drunk...pointless.
also,usually if you pose no threat bouncers dont even notice you,let alone have a go

[dondada]

http://www.britishboxing.net/news_1579- ... urder.html

Not the type of news you ever want to hear. Tragedy for all concerned.

[nickd]

I'm surprised the tape made it to the trial, normally the clubs concerned lose the tape or such like when these incidents happen.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Okay the details are somewhat sketchy but GD was workin the door & basically the guy was disputing Delaneys heavy handed treatment of his mate so Delaney hit him with a huge uppercut that lifted him off the floor & crushed his skull on the way down.

Delaneys such a big powerful guy he could have diffused the situation or controlled the guy without resorting to such an excessive & brutal measure like throwing an uppercut to me personally that is just another bully bouncer throwing his weight around, as well as a heavyweight boxer using his skills on some poor bastard on the street.

Delaney deserves to serve some long hard time IMO.

i dont know the details,and my automatic response to something like this would be the same as yours,but,anyone who argues with or wants to fight bouncers is asking for trouble.its not important that he was a boxer.there are plenty of scumbags walking the streets with martial arts training,on steroids,or carrying weapons,or a mixture of all three. if you are looking for trouble , challenging bouncers is a pretty good way to find it. arguing with bouncers is just as stupid as arguing with a drunk...pointless.
also,usually if you pose no threat bouncers dont even notice you,let alone have a go

So let me get this straight, if you argue with a bouncer, you're asking for it, and you deserve whatever you get.

If the guy was doing nothing but arguing with Delaney, then I'm sorry, but that is the act of a bloody bully, smacking the guy with a massive uppercut.

People who work doors should be there to ensure the safety of the public not act as the policemen of the door doling out justice. I've known a few doormen in my time, and I hate to generalise but a lot of them were criminal scumbags who thrived off the power trip of 'running the door' and giving people who played up a slap. A lot of them carried knuckle dusters, CS gas and coshes as well, which is really bloody brave.

However, I've also met a lot of people who considered themselves doormen rather than bouncers, and the difference it makes to the club environment is massive. Most of the steriod ridden lunatics are working the doors, not trying to get in.

[jimcook]

Okay the details are somewhat sketchy but GD was workin the door & basically the guy was disputing Delaneys heavy handed treatment of his mate so Delaney hit him with a huge uppercut that lifted him off the floor & crushed his skull on the way down.

Delaneys such a big powerful guy he could have diffused the situation or controlled the guy without resorting to such an excessive & brutal measure like throwing an uppercut to me personally that is just another bully bouncer throwing his weight around, as well as a heavyweight boxer using his skills on some poor bastard on the street.

Delaney deserves to serve some long hard time IMO.

i dont know the details,and my automatic response to something like this would be the same as yours,but,anyone who argues with or wants to fight bouncers is asking for trouble.its not important that he was a boxer.there are plenty of scumbags walking the streets with martial arts training,on steroids,or carrying weapons,or a mixture of all three. if you are looking for trouble , challenging bouncers is a pretty good way to find it. arguing with bouncers is just as stupid as arguing with a drunk...pointless.
also,usually if you pose no threat bouncers dont even notice you,let alone have a go

So let me get this straight, if you argue with a bouncer, you're asking for it, and you deserve whatever you get.

If the guy was doing nothing but arguing with Delaney, then I'm sorry, but that is the act of a bloody bully, smacking the guy with a massive uppercut.

People who work doors should be there to ensure the safety of the public not act as the policemen of the door doling out justice. I've known a few doormen in my time, and I hate to generalise but a lot of them were criminal scumbags who thrived off the power trip of 'running the door' and giving people who played up a slap. A lot of them carried knuckle dusters, CS gas and coshes as well, which is really bloody brave.

However, I've also met a lot of people who considered themselves doormen rather than bouncers, and the difference it makes to the club environment is massive. Most of the steriod ridden lunatics are working the doors, not trying to get in.

most of what you say is true,and i agree,but the fact that doorman can often be dangerous scumbags should be enough to dissuade anyone from arguing with them.im not saying its right ,but doormen are not generally known for their skills in debating.you are generally wasting your time if you think you are gonna get satisfaction.if youve got a real problem with them,then you might as well go home,sober up andthen go looking for them on the street,when you are not pissed,they dont have back up etc etc. a lot of bouncers are ok,nice guys,but i would say the majority are small men who have big bodies.but dont forget...theres a huge number of arsehole punters begging for a slap.

[silkov]

Throw away the key I'd say, Delaney has also been accused of beating up his girlfriend in the past and seems to be an out and out psychotic bully... the streets will be a better place with him locked away... good riddance...

[overhand_right]

Was the guy reaching for a machete or a AK47 or something? Was he f--k. A full blooded uppercut from a guy that size with that skill is disgusting. Like other people said too many bouncers, or at least the ones in Leeds, are violent bullies on a serious power trip who want to throw their weight around & intimidate customers when they are suppose to protect them. Bang this psycho up.

[silkov]

I've seen plenty of fights like this and been involved in a few and 95% of the time it is the bouncer/doorman who has taken the argument onto the next level and used violence. A real doorman who knows his job will only get physical if in danger himself or when intervening in a violent situation. The problem is that many of the fellows on the doors are more out of their heads than the punters theyre supposed to be watching and there is a large proportion of them who are actually looking for a chance to kick someones head in and get paid for it...

[silkov]

My little sister is a tiny girl but that did not stop some 6 foot something bouncer snapping her arm ealry this yyear for no reason. She has a scar the length of it pluspins galore and he claims she attacked him, the foot-prints on her back, so he could get leverage to snap the arm, contradict his story. Yet the police say the CCTV do not show his face and another guy has been put forward so they cannot pursue a case against them both, plus witnesses will not step-up.

I have no sympathy for bouncers, I have mates who do it and one who runs a crew but they are largely nutters. Bouncers that is, not my mates, who are bouncers but are not mad, you get my drift.

Thats disgusting that is... cant you get some of your mates to give this fellow a 'visit'.... I'd be tempted to give him a present that he wouldnt forget...

[jamesmcdonnell]

Not to mention the fact that many doormen on the club scene are also in control of the drug trade inside the club, many a slap doled out is someone who was trying to punt their own stuff. I was friendly with the owners of a club in Shepherd's bush, and got to know their bouncers and they were the scum of the eart, violent, drug addled, steriod ridden loons who were only interested in making money selling E's and battering the shite out of anyone who got lippy with knuckle dusters.

[silkov]

I was myself beaten-up by doormen once, fair enough, I'm so tough the four of them simply had to do it but I disagreed with the one guy who inisited they pin me down so he could practise karate sweeps on my head. After they'd then ripped my ear and, at the time, nose rings out and asked me what I thought about that I told him his sweeping motion was seriosuly flawed, he then nutted me and all four battered me again!

Salt of the Earth are bouncers.

Good job you didnt tell him that he wasnt world class!!.... 8)

[jamesmcdonnell]

I was myself beaten-up by doormen once, fair enough, I'm so tough the four of them simply had to do it but I disagreed with the one guy who inisited they pin me down so he could practise karate sweeps on my head. After they'd then ripped my ear and, at the time, nose rings out and asked me what I thought about that I told him his sweeping motion was seriosuly flawed, he then nutted me and all four battered me again!

Salt of the Earth are bouncers.

There are times when it's best to say 'no comment' terrence me old china.'

[kevin]

Today Delaney was sentenced to Life. He is eligible for parole in eleven years, less what he has spent on remand

[Old bones Ian]

This is the first time i can remember a case like this ending in a murder conviction, normally the cases always get dropped down to manslaughter.
This has got to be a rare case, i may be wrong but to be found gulity of murder don't you have to have intent to kill the person?

I don't know much about the case, only what i have read, but Delaney does sound as if he got what was coming to him.
I've been on the receiving end of a few digs by bouncers, me not being a big bloke i seem the ideal target for them, and if one has hold of you then you can garentee getting a few sneaky punches landed on you from one of the others.

[E]

I don't like bouncers, they are often bullies...having said that a lot of the drunken customers in the club are wankers too...

[DIRT SUGAR]

fornicating serves him right, even if the bloke was a complete tosser.

I remember a mate of mine getting poleaxed by that fat twat Andy Gerrard – a real arrogant Welsh turd who once boxed Lennox Lewis – when we were in a Ramsgate nightclub.

He was totally out of order and flattened my mate (slim and about 5ft10 and no troublemaker at all) who was just trying to stop some aggro.

Gerrard cold cocked him with a big right hand and he hit his head on the road when he went down and was lucky, even though he hit his head on the floor as he went down.

Gerrard got away with that – the old, 'video cameras not working' at the time scenario.

[tonyevs]

I know very little of the facts of the incident, but wasn’t Gary working the door of one of the better known clubs in the capital? From what little I know the bigger the club the better run the door in so much as getting good doormen/bouncers.

It is strange that he was found guilty of murder when even the scum that stick people with knives can make successful pleas of manslaughter, there is no doubt what you intend to do if you use a knife but a punch will normally only result in at worst a broken jaw/teeth, was too much made of his boxing background?

I met Gary Delaney once at the CIA, and he was friendly and polite to my wife and I, and the Andy Gerrard I know certainly is no big head or bully.

But I will add, that the family of the gentleman that lost his life deserves to see Gary Delaney properly punished, regardless if he meant to kill him or not…the fact is he did kill him, its just a shame that all such deaths are not awarded the appropriate sentences.

[jamesmcdonnell]

The murder verdict is strange isn't it, I mean if he only hit him once, then how is that murder, surely they cannot determine that he knew he would hit him with sufficient force to kill him?

Maybe Delaney had a moment of madness, or maybe he is one of those people who despite being polite and courteous has 'the switch' and once angered is a violent bastard. There's plenty of those around, I've known quite a few in my time myself, lovely people if you are their mate, dangerous to be around if you don't and you are there when they lose the plot.

[Old bones Ian]

The murder verdict is strange isn't it, I mean if he only hit him once, then how is that murder, surely they cannot determine that he knew he would hit him with sufficient force to kill him?

I asked the same thing earlier, to be guilty of murder , isn't it the premeditated unlawful killing of a person?

[lvlarc]

Throw away the key I'd say, Delaney has also been accused of beating up his girlfriend in the past and seems to be an out and out psychotic bully... the streets will be a better place with him locked away... good riddance...

Wasn't that Joe Marsh (SLUT) ? Can't say I'll lose any sleep over that

[silkov]

Throw away the key I'd say, Delaney has also been accused of beating up his girlfriend in the past and seems to be an out and out psychotic bully... the streets will be a better place with him locked away... good riddance...

Wasn't that Joe Marsh (SLUT) ? Can't say I'll lose any sleep over that

She may be what ever but the fact that a big guy like delaney finds reason to beat up a woman shows that they guy is a dumb bully and a danher to others... as has been borne out by this incident...

[jamesmcdonnell]

The murder verdict is strange isn't it, I mean if he only hit him once, then how is that murder, surely they cannot determine that he knew he would hit him with sufficient force to kill him?

I asked the same thing earlier, to be guilty of murder , isn't it the premeditated unlawful killing of a person?

Well not exactly, in America they have Murder 1, which is a planned calculating premeditated murder, and then there is murder which is I guess intending to kill someone in the heat of the moment. Manslaughter is I think when your actions cause a death, but you didn't intend it.

Surely Delaney couldn't have known he was going to kill the guy.

[TerribleTerry]

Its so hard to generalise - I have mates who are bouncers and are sound but I also know doormen who are steriod monsters who just like to kick off and beat up people.

Some are also soft as 5hit and all mouth;they tend to hide behind their size.

Can't comment on this incident other then to say that the court has the video tape at their disposal and found him guilty of murder. I must assume it was a just and correct verdict and I hope Delaney has plenty of time to contemplate the live he took and the lives his actions have ruined.

[Loynesy]

To be convicted of murder you heen to intend to either kill or cause serious injury. The second limb was introduced by case law in the nineteenth century because obviously proving an actual intention to kill is difficult.

There is also lots of legal analysis of what intention means.

I have not read enough about the facts of this case to comment. I have met and had a few drinks with Delaney and his family after the Enzo fight and he was good company.