... Braddock, Walcott, Charles, Marciano, Patterson, even the young Joe Louis -- they would ALL have been cruiserweights by today's standards.
In fact, prime Jack Johnson and the 1960s Ali and Frazier could probably have made 200 pounds as well (in particular with a previous-day weight-in).
Heavyweight boxing has changed dramatically indeed.
A related observation: why were the top heavyweights of the 1950s so small, weigthing in below or around 190 pounds in most cases? In the 1930s the average top heavyweight was heavier. Any ideas?
Corbett, Burns, Dempsey, Tunney, Sharkey, Schmeling.....
Re: Corbett, Burns, Dempsey, Tunney, Sharkey, Schmeling.....
Maybe the really big kids in school went to basketball and football instead? Whatever the reason, I wish we could have 200lb heavyweights againpundit wrote:... Braddock, Walcott, Charles, Marciano, Patterson, even the young Joe Louis -- they would ALL have been cruiserweights by today's standards.
In fact, prime Jack Johnson and the 1960s Ali and Frazier could probably have made 200 pounds as well (in particular with a previous-day weight-in).
Heavyweight boxing has changed dramatically indeed.
A related observation: why were the top heavyweights of the 1950s so small, weigthing in below or around 190 pounds in most cases? In the 1930s the average top heavyweight was heavier. Any ideas?
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BrocktonBlockbuster49
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nice thread, its clearly obvious it was made to degrade the 1950s heavyweights.
top heavyweights of the 1950s
6'1 212lb sonny liston
6'4 212lb cleveland williams
6'3 210lb nino valdes
6'2 220lb bob baker
6'3 200lb earl walls
6'2 215lb Joe Louis
6'1 200lb zora folley
6'1 195lb eddie machen
6'3 195lb hurricane jackson
6'0 197lb jersey joe walcott
6'1 200lb rex layne
6'3 205lb mike dejohn
6'3 200lb colley wallace
6'3 195lb cesar brion
6'3 205lb john holman
6'3 215lb sid peaks
6'0 225lb kid riveria
6'3 210lb willie bean
6'3 210 young jack johnson
6'1 200lb lee savold
and im leaving out many others
how bout the top european heavyweights of the 1950s?
6'1 200lb ingemar johannsen
6'2 215lb heinez neuhas
5'11 210lb don cockell
6'1 212lb karel sys
6'5 225lb johnny arthur
215lb jack gardner
6'5 220lb hein ten hofff
205lb franco cavicchi
6'3 215lb joe weiden
195lb johnny williams
the top 10 european heavyweights of the 1950s were at least 195lb or more
what is the points of this thread anyway? to prove 1930s was better?
alot of the big 1930s heavyweights were unskilled. 1950s had some very good big men.
1930s had an incredible list of solid depth(much more than 1950s) but the 1930s lacked the quality
please elaborateA related observation: why were the top heavyweights of the 1950s so small, weigthing in below or around 190 pounds in most cases? In the 1930s the average top heavyweight was heavier. Any ideas?
top heavyweights of the 1950s
6'1 212lb sonny liston
6'4 212lb cleveland williams
6'3 210lb nino valdes
6'2 220lb bob baker
6'3 200lb earl walls
6'2 215lb Joe Louis
6'1 200lb zora folley
6'1 195lb eddie machen
6'3 195lb hurricane jackson
6'0 197lb jersey joe walcott
6'1 200lb rex layne
6'3 205lb mike dejohn
6'3 200lb colley wallace
6'3 195lb cesar brion
6'3 205lb john holman
6'3 215lb sid peaks
6'0 225lb kid riveria
6'3 210lb willie bean
6'3 210 young jack johnson
6'1 200lb lee savold
and im leaving out many others
how bout the top european heavyweights of the 1950s?
6'1 200lb ingemar johannsen
6'2 215lb heinez neuhas
5'11 210lb don cockell
6'1 212lb karel sys
6'5 225lb johnny arthur
215lb jack gardner
6'5 220lb hein ten hofff
205lb franco cavicchi
6'3 215lb joe weiden
195lb johnny williams
the top 10 european heavyweights of the 1950s were at least 195lb or more
what is the points of this thread anyway? to prove 1930s was better?
alot of the big 1930s heavyweights were unskilled. 1950s had some very good big men.
1930s had an incredible list of solid depth(much more than 1950s) but the 1930s lacked the quality
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BrocktonBlockbuster49
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1930s did have a good amount big men compared to other eras, and they had couple good ones, but they had some very bad big heavyweights.
before joe louis came, the early 1930s was filled with VERY solid quanitity, BUT REALLY LACKED IN TOP QUALITY.
not to mention guys like max baer, primo carnera, max schmeling, jack sharkey none of them gave any title shots to black fighters. larry gains was practically begging for a title shot, no one wanted any part of him.
its too bad cause 1930s had a lot of dangerous colored heavyweights out there
1930s era in terms of depth was as solid as any in HW history. this era had a ton of dangerous good contenders. they just didnt have hardly any great fighters.
before joe louis came, the early 1930s was filled with VERY solid quanitity, BUT REALLY LACKED IN TOP QUALITY.
not to mention guys like max baer, primo carnera, max schmeling, jack sharkey none of them gave any title shots to black fighters. larry gains was practically begging for a title shot, no one wanted any part of him.
its too bad cause 1930s had a lot of dangerous colored heavyweights out there
1930s era in terms of depth was as solid as any in HW history. this era had a ton of dangerous good contenders. they just didnt have hardly any great fighters.
Re: Corbett, Burns, Dempsey, Tunney, Sharkey, Schmeling.....
Punkit,pundit wrote:... Braddock, Walcott, Charles, Marciano, Patterson, even the young Joe Louis -- they would ALL have been cruiserweights by today's standards.
Do you ever do anything except post tired current "news" media talking points?
What did Louis' opponents Primo Carnera, Max Baer, Buddy Baer, Abe Simon weigh?
How tall were Primo Carnera, Max Baer, Buddy Baer, Abe Simon?
Were they all flyweights according to your modern news media talking points?
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