Toney vs Peter

black panther · Post by **black panther** » 30 Aug 2006, 06:38

I was looking for a thread on this fight but cudnt find one. I cant see peter getting anywhere near toney's chin with his powerfull but crude swings. A wide toney UD for me. The bookies also have peter as the favourite with toney at evens which might be worth a punt. But i suppose you never with toney these days....he seems to do half his training at burger king :(

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 30 Aug 2006, 07:00

Toney is 2/1 to win on points (I couldn't resist)

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 30 Aug 2006, 07:34

livingstone cole wrote:I think that almost unanimously people believe that Toney has the winning of this fight (albeit closely) if, now that's one hell of an if, he comes in in decent(ish) shape.
Peter is going for a KO, that's as obvious as day and to hold off that little terror for 12 rounds is gonna take some doing, not possible if you look look like marsmellow man.
So it's all in Toney's hands, either a quarterpounder with cheese or a firm grasp on a title shot.

Toney's problem for me is that lacking a reach advantage he has to fight at close quarters. Wlad kept Peter at arms length and didn't come close to koing or hurting him significantly, and Toney will have to work pretty hard for the full 12 to keep on top of things.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 30 Aug 2006, 07:55

Very interesting fight, one of the few heavyweight matches I'd like to see. I can't quite picture what is going to happen, Peter is about the freshest guy out there and he can definitely hit.

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 30 Aug 2006, 08:47

I reckon Sam Peter will KO Tubby Toney

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 30 Aug 2006, 09:10

Toneys got too much defensive acumen to get caught by the slow Peter IMO.

Is this being aired over here?

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 30 Aug 2006, 09:46

Toney's going to show Wlad how you beat the Nigerian David Tua.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 30 Aug 2006, 09:48

Max Molyneux wrote:Toney's going to show Wlad how you beat the Nigerian David Tua.

I thought Vlad beat Peter?

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 30 Aug 2006, 09:59

I wont make a pick on this fight until I see Toney's weight on Friday. I have seen conflicting reports, in some it says Toney has knuckled down since the Rahman fight and is in great condition, Toney himself said he was 270 a week or so ago. If Toney is in shape he wins, if he is in the same sort of shape he was against Rahman I can't see him holding Peter off.

JimJim · Post by **JimJim** » 30 Aug 2006, 10:40

I really hope Toney can do it. At 38 his days are numbered but I'd hate to see the back of him. I really enjoy his exploits in the heavyweight division, as he's really got no right to be there (going on traditionally held views of size and condition) yet he's been a relevation at times. You've got to admire his attitude of taking on all-comers; Holyfield, Ruiz, Rahman and now Peter. Come on James !

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 30 Aug 2006, 10:44

pundit wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:Toney's going to show Wlad how you beat the Nigerian David Tua.
I thought Vlad beat Peter?

He did but still found it tough against a guy like Peter.

I expected him to win much easier like Lewis did with Tua.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 30 Aug 2006, 11:10

nickd wrote:I wont make a pick on this fight until I see Toney's weight on Friday. I have seen conflicting reports, in some it says Toney has knuckled down since the Rahman fight and is in great condition, Toney himself said he was 270 a week or so ago. If Toney is in shape he wins, if he is in the same sort of shape he was against Rahman I can't see him holding Peter off.

Saw a picture of him on fightnews, only the neck up, but he didn't look anywhere near as fat as he did for Rahman, face looked quite taught by comparison.

http://www.fightnews.com/toneyworkout.jpg

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 30 Aug 2006, 11:11

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
nickd wrote:I wont make a pick on this fight until I see Toney's weight on Friday. I have seen conflicting reports, in some it says Toney has knuckled down since the Rahman fight and is in great condition, Toney himself said he was 270 a week or so ago. If Toney is in shape he wins, if he is in the same sort of shape he was against Rahman I can't see him holding Peter off.
Saw a picture of him on fightnews, only the neck up, but he didn't look anywhere near as fat as he did for Rahman, face looked quite taught by comparison.

http://www.fightnews.com/toneyworkout.jpg

Doug Fischer at maxboxing said he was about 250 a week ago...

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 30 Aug 2006, 11:35

If Sam can't knock out Toney, and can't outbox him, how does he win?

Out work him maybe? Could be......or land the punch of a lifetime?

Hope not, I don't like seeing a middleweight take heavyweight punches - I wonder if Toney's chin is too good for his own good - but he doesn't take many I suppose....

Toney to win a close one on points.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 30 Aug 2006, 11:38

Could just outwork him and beat him up late. Toney always seems to be able to pace himself well, but Peter seems to throw a lot of shots and this could be James' undoing. I hope Toney comes in in good shape, otherwise we could witness him taking a bit of a shelling late in the fight against a guy who is naturally far stronger and who may just be able to walk through James' shots.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 30 Aug 2006, 11:42

Hope it doesn't come to that - Toney's always been one of my favorites and one of the best boxers of the last 20 years.

Don't think I've ever picked against him, he's that good. I even thought he'd beat Roy Jones

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 30 Aug 2006, 11:49

I swore I'd never bet on Toney again after the fat fcuker cost me money when he fought Rahman, but this is too good an opportunity to miss IMO.

I'm convinced we'll be hearing the cry "NEXT!!! WHO'S NEXT!!!" at the end of the fight.

JT's great!! (unless he costs me money again)

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 30 Aug 2006, 12:00

Save your money until after the weigh in. Its stupid to wager now when you have no idea of his conditioning. Anything over 240 and I would keep my money in my pocket if I were you.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 30 Aug 2006, 12:10

What worries me is that Rahman was bombed out of there after being beaten down by Maskaev, despite Maskaev being on the slide by most people's reckoning. Despite taking a lot of shots, Rahman was able to weather James' shots quite easily. Admittedly, Maskaev is technically better than Peter, but sometimes it isn't about technique. Peter is going to be much the bigger stronger man in there, and unlike Rahman, I don't think he is going to be holding back in there. The guys Toney has beat at heavy, were reluctant dragons, Guinn, Ruiz and the draw with Rahman, were because they were scared to let their hands go.

Peter, for all his flaws will keep on coming until the end looking for the hail mary punch, and even if he doesn't find it, that might be enough to earn him the win.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 30 Aug 2006, 14:12

I imagin Tony's tactic may be like that in the jirov fight, stay close to the roaps and let Peter do a lot of the work while sliping and blocking the worse punches, that is the only way I see him fighting a defencive fight which he must.

leforge · Post by **leforge** » 30 Aug 2006, 15:04

Where can we watch this fight?

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 30 Aug 2006, 15:39

Theres a Toney workout video on boxing scene but you need toi register and me account ain't activated yet.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 31 Aug 2006, 18:49

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/2006 ... ajh102.jpg

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/2006 ... ajh101.jpg

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/2006 ... ajh103.jpg

Toney 233 and Peter 257!

Way they won't show Peter's gut but show Toney's

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 31 Aug 2006, 18:58

interesting tony could look a lot worse although Peter is massively bigger than him.

Tony is a master on the inside as I said above and Peter looks like he may be vunerable round the middle. Tony KO7

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 31 Aug 2006, 19:01

Still think Toney is in good enough shape to beat Peter, but I am dissapointed in his conditioning. Its getting a bit like Tyson, but 217 lbs when he fought Holyfield and he'd be the undisputed champion.

I haven't been overly impressed with him in any of his performances at over 230 lbs.