Lightwieghts: Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini vs Arturo Ga

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 29 Sep 2006, 18:28

2 strong lightweights and great warriors. Who wins?

vagabundo55 · Post by **vagabundo55** » 30 Sep 2006, 03:10

Decagon wrote:Um, Arturo Gatti's something like 0-4 at 135. Mancini dominates, cuts him up and stops him. HUGE difference in skill level.

I agree.. Mancini was a great fighter while Gatti is just a very entertaining one.

barry · Post by **barry** » 30 Sep 2006, 06:27

They both are almost mirror fighters...Mancini...skilled...even more so than Gatti...doubtful. You can talk trash about Gatti's record against the top fighters, but what did Mancini do that was so special against the best other than lose? Nothing really! He was a tough as nails brawler that turned out to be a media darling...just like Gatti! Close fight, but I would favor Manicini as he was a bit more physical than Gatti, but it could go just as easily in favor of Gatti!

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 30 Sep 2006, 07:00

barry I see this pretty similarly....Mancini more physical, Gatti a bit more skill and perhaps a bit more heart. Slight lean to Mancini for the same reasons you give, but if it was an extremely close fight going into the last round(s) Gatti might edge it in the two closing rounds if he did not choose to purely brawl.

Arbachakov · Post by **Arbachakov** » 30 Sep 2006, 07:22

Mancini's domination of Jos Luis Ramirez, excellent performance against Arguello and gritty tough battles with Bramble are a damn sight better than anything Gatti did at this weight.

The Mancini that fought Ramirez and Arguello mauls Gatti in an exciting, but one-sided brawl.

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 30 Sep 2006, 08:12

Mancinni had his head handed to him by Argello.

Arbachakov · Post by **Arbachakov** » 30 Sep 2006, 08:59

kick asner wrote:Mancinni had his head handed to him by Argello.

At the end of the fight it was brutal , but watch how competitive it was for at least 10 rounds.

Mancini fought superbly until finally being worn down. He certainly looked far more formidable in that fight than gatti ever did at 130-135.

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 30 Sep 2006, 09:12

Ray to his credit put up a tough game battle as he did in all of his fights. For the first four rounds it looked like Ray had a real chance but once Argello settled in you could see the fight slipping away from Ray. You could make a case for the rounds being competitive but Argello was clearly the one in command. Mancinni never quite lived up to his hype but always a warrior.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 30 Sep 2006, 09:37

Mancini probably won the first 5 rounds against Arguello, then there was that great come back in his 2nd fight with Bramble that just fell short. If it was a 15 rounder, I'd give Mancini a good chance of stopping Gatti late.

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 30 Sep 2006, 10:44

Ray might have put fourth a game effort in both of his fights against Bramble, but Bramble was basically the Buster Dougless of the lightweight division. He was able to put a game plan together and fight the fight of his life against one opponent, then go on to get totally blasted out in his next fight. Acutually in Buster's case he hung around awhile where Bramble went into a free fall basically fighting the last part of his career as a stepping stone.

barry · Post by **barry** » 30 Sep 2006, 11:13

>>>Mancini always showed up at 100%, while during his whole career at 135, Gatti did little training, and too much partying.<<<

So what? Wilfredo Gomez did way too much partying...as did Ruben Olivares, as did Aaron Pryor and as did a whole slew of other fighters!

Gatti really started taking care of himself back around five to eight years ago and unlike a lot of fighters...Gatti almost always gave the fans they're money's worth! Hell the Gatti fighting now is very similar to the Mancini who fought Haugen!

Arbachakov · Post by **Arbachakov** » 30 Sep 2006, 11:16

barry wrote:>>>Mancini always showed up at 100%, while during his whole career at 135, Gatti did little training, and too much partying.<<<

So what? Wilfredo Gomez did way too much partying...as did Ruben Olivares, as did Aaron Pryor and as did a whole slew of other fighters!

Gatti really started taking care of himself back around five to eight years ago and unlike a lot of fighters...Gatti almost always gave the fans they're money's worth! Hell the Gatti fighting now is very similar to the Mancini who fought Haugen!

There can be no real comparison made between those fighters and a hack like Gatti.

barry · Post by **barry** » 30 Sep 2006, 11:17

Well, if a "hack" like Mancini can be mentioned with them, then so can Gatti!

Arbachakov · Post by **Arbachakov** » 30 Sep 2006, 11:37

Are you okay Barry?.No one mentioned Mancini with them, in fact no one mentioned them at all until you.

Gatti=hack

Mancini=good solid fighter.

barry · Post by **barry** » 30 Sep 2006, 11:47

Blah...blah...blah!

Fact...Gatti will be a Hall of Famer...more than likely first ballot...is Mancini in there?

And exactly who all has Mancini beat that makes him so superior to Gatti? And sorry, but one, or two fights do not match eight, or nine!!!

Arbachakov · Post by **Arbachakov** » 30 Sep 2006, 11:56

You're not even making sense anymore.

Who mentioned anything about the HOF?.I have no time for anyone using it as some kind of measuring stick.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 30 Sep 2006, 12:04

Although I lean ever so slightly to Mancini I sure can't make any sense of why anyone would think they are miles apart. I've seen them both fight with my own eyes. I sure don't think there is this vast gulf between them. If one is a hack they both are hacks if one is pretty damn good then they both are pretty damn good.

One thing they both shared was the ability to appear to be giving it all they got and taking incoming with little complaint. If anything Gatti may have shown a bit more spit and polish at his best but it's marginal. I think Mancini might be the stronger more physical guy which is why I tend to give him the edge. But it's no sure thing from my viewpoint.

All in all a good matchup not mismatch by any means.

barry · Post by **barry** » 30 Sep 2006, 12:08

>>>Although I lean ever so slightly to Mancini I sure can't make any sense of why anyone would think they are miles apart. I've seen them both fight with my own eyes. I sure don't think there is this vast gulf between them. If one is a hack they both are hacks if one is pretty damn good then they both are pretty damn good.<<<

Now that is the kind of logical reasoning that I have come to expect from you Buzz...not just because we share the same view on a several things, but also simply because you have actual sense!

barry · Post by **barry** » 30 Sep 2006, 13:03

>>>Yeah, but Aaron Pryor didn't lose to Ivan Robinson twice<<<

No...he lost to Billy Joe Young!!!

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 30 Sep 2006, 13:12

I'd go for Mancini, but it would be a very tough fight... Ray has the slight edge in ability...

barry · Post by **barry** » 30 Sep 2006, 13:15

>>>I'd go for Mancini, but it would be a very tough fight... Ray has the slight edge in ability...<<<

That is the logical and sensible view!

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 30 Sep 2006, 13:28

Indeed it is... anyone who says Mancini was miles ahead of Gatti doesnt know what theyre talking about...

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 30 Sep 2006, 13:46

Decagon wrote:He was coming out of a two-and-a-half-year retirement.

cherry picked opponent it was supposed to be a walk in the park.

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 30 Sep 2006, 23:16

Mancini destroys Gatti. Gatti can't switch to defense and offense.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 01 Oct 2006, 10:01

generic screen name wrote:Mancini destroys Gatti. Gatti can't switch to defense and offense.

Yeh, its a pity Gatti didnt have the defensive skills of Sam Scaff... great effort against Tyson... beating up Mikes fists with his face!... never seen the like of it before!...