Delayed Stoppages

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 03 Oct 2006, 09:10

How about fights where you think the stoppage could have come much much sooner and saved a fighter a lot of unnecessary damage

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 03 Oct 2006, 09:27

I listed Graziano/Zale III in premature stoppage thread. Also Paret/Griffith. Although fighters like Du Ku Kim and Jonney Owen ended up dying tragically it was not due to not stopping the fight in time.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 03 Oct 2006, 09:31

Nelson vs Mcdonnell comes to mind... also perhaps Mccallum vs Watson... and Ali vs Holmes...

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 03 Oct 2006, 09:32

kick asner wrote:I listed Graziano/Zale III in premature stoppage thread. Also Paret/Griffith. Although fighters like Du Ku Kim and Jonney Owen ended up dying tragically it was not due to not stopping the fight in time.

I wouldnt say Zale vs Gaziano 3 was premature... Rocky was counted out wasnt he?... he was certainly out of it at the finish...

el tigre del sur · Post by **el tigre del sur** » 03 Oct 2006, 11:33

I'd have to say Eubank v Watson II. Michael Watson was clearly not right as they came out for the last round and Eubank even gestured to Watson as if to say are you alright? Poor old Michael just stood there in a daze and the dickhead referee waved them on whereby Eubank launched an all out assault with little resistance coming from Watson.

A lot of people should have been held accountable for that fight's ending - the referee, the ring doctor, Watson's cornermen. :( :( :( :( :(

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 03 Oct 2006, 11:54

Not sure if this counts but at the end I thought Mercer was going to kill Tommy Morrison.

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 03 Oct 2006, 13:10

silkov wrote:
kick asner wrote:I listed Graziano/Zale III in premature stoppage thread. Also Paret/Griffith. Although fighters like Du Ku Kim and Jonney Owen ended up dying tragically it was not due to not stopping the fight in time.
I wouldnt say Zale vs Gaziano 3 was premature... Rocky was counted out wasnt he?... he was certainly out of it at the finish...

No, I listed it as the opposite, guess I should have made that clear in this thread, just assumed everyone had read the other thread.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 03 Oct 2006, 15:45

el tigre del sur wrote:I'd have to say Eubank v Watson II. Michael Watson was clearly not right as they came out for the last round and Eubank even gestured to Watson as if to say are you alright? Poor old Michael just stood there in a daze and the dickhead referee waved them on whereby Eubank launched an all out assault with little resistance coming from Watson.

A lot of people should have been held accountable for that fight's ending - the referee, the ring doctor, Watson's cornermen. :( :( :( :( :(

I remeber that at the time the commentators were pondering whether the stoppage had come too early -- until Watson collapsed.

Flump · Post by **Flump** » 03 Oct 2006, 17:33

Davey Moore vs Duran, shocking refereeing.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 03 Oct 2006, 17:46

Ike Williams TKO6 Beau Jack

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 04 Oct 2006, 01:58

..even graziano in interviews said the ref should have stopped it sooner in their third match. jeez....he was still half out of it when he got up and the ref let it continue...

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 04 Oct 2006, 05:44

Nigel Benn v Nicky Piper by modern day standards

Controversial · Post by **Controversial** » 04 Oct 2006, 22:23

Lenny Albert wrote:How about fights where you think the stoppage could have come much much sooner and saved a fighter a lot of unnecessary damage

Calzaghe vs Lacy springs to mind. Lacy took a pasting and it never looked like things were gonna change. The ref should have pulled him out to save him from further damage........and embarrassment

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 04 Oct 2006, 23:27

While on this subject, some points to ponder on the Boxers Of The Past Forum, where the consensus seems to be that the old timers were alot tougher. If Jake LaMotta were fighting today, a referee probably sees him take one two many unanswered punches, and the Raging Bull loses by TKO, or maybe after Joe Jeanette goes down for a second time, the referee waves "it's over". And as for the flipside of the coin, Michael Moorer wanted to continue after being down 5 times against Holyfield, as did Richard Dunn after being dropped 6 times by Ali.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 05 Oct 2006, 01:47

..let us not forget the cornermen...the guys who send their fighter out when he's obviously taking too much of a beating and has no chance of pulling the fight out. sometimes referees will let a guy finish the round and let a fighter get back to his corner, assuming...maybe hoping....they'll be the ones who end the punishment. too often the corner motivation is wanting their guy to go the distance and lose by decision, thus keeping the koby off the fighter's record.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 05 Oct 2006, 01:55

..decag....it does look a little less damaging than it did live....but..those were fast hard punches and paret's head was just there as a target. i've defended goldstein as a good referee who froze....but the worst sin he committed was in being too far from the fighters. when one guy has the other pinned in a corner the ref should be virtually as close to the fighters as they are to each other. nanoseconds can be dangerous when punches are coming as fast as many pros throw them.

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 05 Oct 2006, 08:39

Their was really no point in letting Ossie Ocasio continue against Holmes. I believe he was dropped seven times in all. Give him credit for getting back up but he took alot of unessesry punishment.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 06 Oct 2006, 13:51

If I remember correctly, Ocasio wasn't knocked down until the 7th round. After Ocasio was knocked down for the 3rd time, the referee was going to stop it becasue of the 3 knockdown rule. However, holmes waived off the referee and and the referee actually let the fight continue! Holmes quickly knocked down Ocasio again and the referee finally stopped it. I'v always wondered what would have happended if somehow Ocasio would have come back to win.
I haven't seen the fight since and it was 27 years ago. If anyone has seen it recently let me know how accurrate my memory is.
this was the 2nd fight of a doubleheader on Friday Night on ABC. In the first Shavers kncoked out Norton in the first round. They had a lot of air time to killFor some reason I remember them show a Battlestar Gallatica rerun.

AndreWardFan2006 · Post by **AndreWardFan2006** » 06 Oct 2006, 16:46

A fight that should have been stopped was Paret - Griffith III

Watching Benny slowly drop in the corner haunts your mind, after watching it I can play it in my mind perfectly.

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