Team USA Roster For Italy

boxing4life · Post by **boxing4life** » 21 Nov 2006, 08:41

This is the USA Roster for the next month competition at italy on dec 15-16...in my opinion the team looks pretty good... almost all of them already got Nationals Titles and international experience fighting the european style...they should do well...lets see what happen!!

106-Vincent Montoya
112-Aaron Alafa
119-John Franklin
125-Luis Del Valle
132-Danny Garcia
141-Karl Dargan
152-Boyd Nelson
165-Shawn Estrada
178-Christopher Downs
201-Adam Willet
201+-Mike Wilson

THE WATCHER · Post by **THE WATCHER** » 21 Nov 2006, 10:32

Yep thats a pretty good squad
I hope USA BOXING has got their issues together so we can keep these kids busy .

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 21 Nov 2006, 13:23

I would like to see a few different boxers on the squad. I do not think that is our best team. Obviously our two best hopes at medaling in the '08 Olympics aren't even on that USA Team - Raushee Warren and Gary Russell. I also think Andrade would defeat Melson. I believe the 165# Estrada is not going to be the US's Olympic boxer. The other guys might just be on the '08 team, but 178, 201 and 201+ could be wide open. I know a 201+ in Michigan who stopped Michigan's state GG champ at 201+ who had gone the distance with Felix Stewart in Omaha. The new guy can PUNCH! He just needs more experience.

boxing4life · Post by **boxing4life** » 21 Nov 2006, 14:37

gary russel is not on the roster cuz he broke both of his hands at the nationals PAL..i dont know why Raushe aint goin..u right...i dont think estrada will be on the 08 team...about 152 boyd nelson..he already lost against andrade...178 and 201+ are wide open...but i been watchin 201 weight class and its not to many good fighters but this kid adam willet been wining everythin so i think his holding up every body on his weigt class...another weight class that is wide open is 125 and 2007 its gonna be interestin fot that weight class because.... marck davis(#1 Guy) is in jail..they dont know when his comin home..Richard Baltazar (#2) past away
so every body is in the mix but my guess is tha Luis Del Valle is takin advangte of the situation cuz if i dont mistaken he been in almost all the international this year..i think by the time marck come back might be to late for him...let see

THE WATCHER · Post by **THE WATCHER** » 22 Nov 2006, 04:05

Good stuff Gentelmen keep choppin it up 8)

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 22 Nov 2006, 18:09

Boxing4life:
Yes, Willett has won a lot of nationals during the past 2 years, but he hasn't appeared invincible. He has eeked out some close wins at times, sometimes to modest opposition. He seems to have Zimmermans' number b/c of their styles. David Carey defeated Willett at the 2005 Ringside Tourney then lost to Oleksandr Mamoshuk in the finals. Willett did defeat Carey 17-13 in the 2006 US Championships.

By the way does anyone know what happened to Mamoshuk? I haven't read anything about him since he won the 2005 Ringside tourney and then the 2005 Under 19 tourney.

boxing4life · Post by **boxing4life** » 22 Nov 2006, 20:53

Dennis
By the way does anyone know what happened to Mamoshuk?

Last thing i heard from him was that he took some time off..i dont know if is true though...about willet u right he dont look invincible...he just winnin streak and dominatin his weight class by a little lead...

davetko · Post by **davetko** » 23 Nov 2006, 10:30

There are tons of international trips, and different boxers go to each one. We essentially have 3 travel teams. It would be foolish to only send one group of kids at this time, because the Olympic team isn't set yet, so why not give everyone at the top a fair shot and see how they do. The Olympic team and the team going to Italy will look quite a bit different.

THE WATCHER · Post by **THE WATCHER** » 23 Nov 2006, 11:55

I was in New York last month and got a chance to hang out with Marmashuk's coach and he told me that the young man has fallen by the wayside and that he is not living with him anymore and not boxing.
''Many are called but only a few are chosen''

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 23 Nov 2006, 12:53

That is a shame about Mamoshuk, but it happens all the time. He was a decent boxer and I'm all for the extra competition. USA needs all the good boxers to compete so the one who makes the Olympic team has a better chance of winning a medal.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 23 Nov 2006, 12:59

106-Vincent Montoya
112-Aaron Alafa
119-John Franklin
125-Luis Del Valle
132-Danny Garcia
141-Karl Dargan
152-Boyd Melson
165-Shawn Estrada
178-Christopher Downs
201-Adam Willet
201+-Mike Wilson

This is not, all around, our top team. I think Luis Yanez is our best 106 and am waiting to see what he does in international competition. Who is John Franklin? Estrada has power and can box - he just keeps getting disqualified for fouling. Just depends on which Shawn shows up, but I doubt that he'll make the Olympic team. I sincerely hope there are "tons of international competition" next year. USA Boxing's Events Dept. has had a hard time keeping personnel, therefore nothing has been set up. Also, we don't have "three teams." We usually pick from the top 5 and take whoever can go. Some of the boxers work, others are in school. a few are hurt and some end up in trouble, which limits the participation of the top athletes to some extent.

THE WATCHER · Post by **THE WATCHER** » 23 Nov 2006, 13:51

Dennis
give your thoughts the top 4 in the 152 -super class

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 23 Nov 2006, 23:44

THE WATCHER wrote:Dennis
give your thoughts the top 4 in the 152 -super class

152: #1-Demetrius Andrade, #2-Charles Hatley, #3-Keith Thurman, #4-Boyd Melson

165: #1-Shawn Porter, #2-Danny Jacobs, #3-Edwin Rodgriguez, #4-Jonathan Nelson

178: #1-Yathomas Riley, #2-Joshua Garza, #3-Bear Richardson, #4-Christopher Downs (Bear needs to get more disciplined with his weight as he didn't make weigh at the National PAL)

201: #1-I hope it will be my son, of course-Jordan Shimmell, #2-Adam Willett, #3-James Zimmerman, #4-a lot of guys. This weight class truly is wide open.

201+: #1-Mike Wilson, #2-Michael Hunter, #3-Jonte Willis, #4-Eugene Hill

Kenny - What is going on with J.R.? Should I expect him in two weeks at the LBC tourney?

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 24 Nov 2006, 00:39

Well, I guess I can take Eugene Hill off my list. He is supposedly having his pro debut tomorrow (Friday the 24th) in Kansas. He signed a pro contract with Bob Spagnola of Houston, Texas. Maybe I'll just replace him with Kasim Howard who beat Hill at the Nat'l PAL.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 24 Nov 2006, 00:45

Darn those kids, anyway! Thinkin' they can turn pro and make lotsa money. :P

Didn't know Spagnola was still around. Haven't heard his name in years.

boxing4life · Post by **boxing4life** » 24 Nov 2006, 01:36

152: #1-Demetrius Andrade, #2-Charles Hatley, #3-Keith Thurman, #4-Boyd Melson

165: #1-Shawn Porter, #2-Danny Jacobs, #3-Edwin Rodgriguez, #4-Jonathan Nelson

178: #1-Yathomas Riley, #2-Joshua Garza, #3-Bear Richardson, #4-Christopher Downs (Bear needs to get more disciplined with his weight as he didn't make weigh at the National PAL)

201: #1-I hope it will be my son, of course-Jordan Shimmell, #2-Adam Willett, #3-James Zimmerman, #4-a lot of guys. This weight class truly is wide open.

201+: #1-Mike Wilson, #2-Michael Hunter, #3-Jonte Willis, #4-Eugene Hill

Kenny - What is going on with J.R.? Should I expect him in two weeks at the LBC tourney?[/quote]

Complete Ur Picks About The Othr weight class

John Franklin is form the army team..he just moved up from 112..he got stop by rau'she warren at the 06 US.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 24 Nov 2006, 01:48

Thanks for the info on Franklin. He probably wasn't in my ring at the Championships so I didn't get to see him.

Ummm - do I know you, Boxing4life???

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 24 Nov 2006, 02:34

boxing4life wrote:
Complete Ur Picks About The Othr weight class

John Franklin is form the army team..he just moved up from 112..he got stop by rau'she warren at the 06 US.

The Watcher just asked for my 152 on up picks. I will work on my picks for the other weight classes tomorrow.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 24 Nov 2006, 02:44

boxmel wrote:Darn those kids, anyway! Thinkin' they can turn pro and make lotsa money. :P

Didn't know Spagnola was still around. Haven't heard his name in years.

Eugene Hill wasn't really a kid anymore. He is 27 and probably thought he would be better off turning pro now rather than waiting around for another year or two. I don't blame him. I have more of a problem with the young guys like Prenice Brewer turning pro at 18. Guys like that are usually better off boxing in the amateurs for a few more years. But everyone is in a different situation and sometimes it is turn pro or stop boxing.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 24 Nov 2006, 03:00

Eugene Hill wasn't really a kid anymore. He is 27

Anyone under 48 is a kid to me.

I have more of a problem with the young guys like Prenice Brewer turning pro at 18.

I agree. I liked what I saw of him. I think anyone that young should at least try to make the Olympic team next year. Since we are so close to all the qualifying events, I think any boxer who is ranked, and especially in the top 5, should stick around. Another 7 or 9 months won't make that much of a difference. Plus, the more accolades you get, the more marketable you are as a pro.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 24 Nov 2006, 17:37

My top 4 for the 106 to 141 classes:

106: #1-Luis Yanez, #2-Gabino Saenz, #3-Roberto Ceron, #4-Stephon Young

112: #1-Raushee Warren; There is a big drop-off after #1. #2-Qa'id Muhammad, #3-Aaron Alafa, #4-Sammy DiPace

119: #1-Gary Russell. Again there is a big drop-off after #1. #2-Roberto Marroquin, #3-Jorge Diaz. #4-Roman Morales. Too bad Leo Santa Cruz turned pro - he would have had a shot at the Olympic team.

125: #1-Sadam Ali, #2-Rico Ramos, #3-Walter Sarnoi, #4-Sergio Perales (even though he performed poorly at the Nat'l PAL)

132: #1-Jesus Mendez, #2-Terrance Crawford, #3-Diego Magdaleno, #4-Danny Garcia

141: #1-Karl Dargan, #2-Michael Dallas, #3-Jeremy Bryan, #4-Brad Solomon. I like Dargan in a rematch with Dallas.

THE WATCHER · Post by **THE WATCHER** » 24 Nov 2006, 18:39

106 Louis ,Cerone
112 Raushee, Shawn Nichols, Sammi Dipace,Quid Muhamadd
119 Russel, Shawn Nichols,Marroquin, Diaz
125 Mark Davis,Sadam Ali but hes moving up132 Rico Ramos .Pagan, Raynell Willams
132 Crawford, Garcia, Jerry Belmotes, Mendez
141 Dargan, Dallas, sleeper Brad Soloman and has everyone caught up to Jerrmy Bryan or has he fallen off ?
152 Andrade,Thurman ,Hatley,Melson

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 27 Nov 2006, 09:45

davetko wrote:There are tons of international trips, and different boxers go to each one. We essentially have 3 travel teams. It would be foolish to only send one group of kids at this time, because the Olympic team isn't set yet, so why not give everyone at the top a fair shot and see how they do. The Olympic team and the team going to Italy will look quite a bit different.

I wish there were TONS OF INTERNATIONAL TRIPS. Our boxers need all the international experience they can get. If we can give more boxers in each weight class this type of experience, then the eventual U.S. olympic boxers will be better for the added competition.

As Mel said we don't have 3 teams, USA Boxing just tries to pick from the Elite boxers (top 4 at the US Championships) or someone else who is available. We definitely need to spread the wealth as one of the top 4 guys in a weight class might not be the one who wins the Olympic Box-Offs. The boxer could also get injured and need to be replaced like what happened with Buster Mathis (Sr.) being replaced by Joe Frazier. However, with the current qualifying rules the injury would have to happen prior to the completion of the Americas qualifying events which is not right. That AIBA rule needs to be changed.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 14 Dec 2006, 17:10

USA Boxing has info on their website about the USA team having left for Italy on December 11th. It also discusses the boxers on the team and it is exactly the same as those listed in this thread with the exception that Adam Willett at 201# is not mentioned. Does anyone know if Willett did not go on the trip for some reason? Did USA Boxing inadvertently leave his name off the list?

I hope this team does well in Italy. I look forward to seeing the results in a few days.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 14 Dec 2006, 17:33

Have no idea. Since the team has left, will be hard to find out. I emailed Julie Goldsticker at USAB and she confirmed that there is no HW on the Italy team. She did not say why.

Team USA Roster For Italy

Team USA Roster For Italy

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