Low profile Witter

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 04 Jan 2007, 11:14

Has anyone seen or heard anything from Junior Witter? Seeing as he's boxing in a couple of weeks , he's hardly gone overboard on promoting the fight.

All you see in the National papers is Ricky Hatton, and Witter is a footnote at the bottom of the page.
If Witter wants the fight with Ricky he's got to get the public interested in him before the Arturo Morua fight, so that people tune in to watch.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 04 Jan 2007, 11:24

Despite him getting the WBC title Hennessey are doing a poor promo job on him. I remember him been introduced as wworld champ at a Bradford City game, that could get him a few travelling supporters, Bradford doesn't have the fan base of Man City but theres a good 10-15k of potential fans there that don't see a World Champ too often.

Its Witters job to win and hes been doing that since the Judah fight against some decent opposition. Its Hennesseys job to promote. Lets be honest is Witter that much more boring than Eubank?

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 04 Jan 2007, 11:28

It's Judah's job to win, and impress in doing so. Hennessy can hype it as much as they like, but thus far, Junior has failed to impress in the ring, his win over Corley was hardly a thrilling night's work, standing posing with your hand cocked above your head for 20 seconds is hardly going to set the crowd on fire, nor is doing an impression of Shakin' Stevens for half a round.

I've nothing against Junior, but the vast majority of his fights are far from entertaining, and thus, no matter what he's got strapped around his waist, (unless it's plastic explosives), he's not going to cause much excitement in the crowd.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 04 Jan 2007, 11:46

jamesmcdonnell wrote:It's Judah's job to win, and impress in doing so. Hennessy can hype it as much as they like, but thus far, Junior has failed to impress in the ring, his win over Corley was hardly a thrilling night's work, standing posing with your hand cocked above your head for 20 seconds is hardly going to set the crowd on fire, nor is doing an impression of Shakin' Stevens for half a round.

I've nothing against Junior, but the vast majority of his fights are far from entertaining, and thus, no matter what he's got strapped around his waist, (unless it's plastic explosives), he's not going to cause much excitement in the crowd.

Deliberate *cough* Mistake

WITTERS fight with Ndou was pretty exciting, he was more impressive and exciting against Lauri than Hatton and early knock out victories against Battalgia and Biennas were exciting and brutal. And these are decent Euro level opperators and exciting wins. I personally don't find Ricky Hatton mauling smaller and older operators exciting but its all personal preferenances.

Again Eubank was hardly exciting in many of his bouts but was promoted well. Winky Wright/Mayweather don't bring more action than Witter does but get solid publicity.

states · Post by **states** » 04 Jan 2007, 11:53

I'm sure we'll get a blizzard of press releases on here soon from 'Wellington'.

It must be said though, fighting on a PPV undercard is hardly going to help Witter raise his profile.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 04 Jan 2007, 12:06

Eubank was a great self promoter, he knew that Benn was the fans favourite, so developed this persona to goad Benn into the ring, Eubank made great TV with his post fight interviews, and he always dressed like he was lord of the manner in pre fight interviews, so the public suddenly took interest in him.

Witter hasn't done any of this, yes its his promoters job to promote the boxer, but in this day and age the boxer also has to do the job as well.
Look at David Haye, he's gone out of his way to promote himself.

If you asked people in the street who is the WBC Light-Welter champion, most would say Ricky Hatton not Junior Witter.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 04 Jan 2007, 12:06

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:It's Judah's job to win, and impress in doing so. Hennessy can hype it as much as they like, but thus far, Junior has failed to impress in the ring, his win over Corley was hardly a thrilling night's work, standing posing with your hand cocked above your head for 20 seconds is hardly going to set the crowd on fire, nor is doing an impression of Shakin' Stevens for half a round.

I've nothing against Junior, but the vast majority of his fights are far from entertaining, and thus, no matter what he's got strapped around his waist, (unless it's plastic explosives), he's not going to cause much excitement in the crowd.
Deliberate *cough* Mistake

WITTERS fight with Ndou was pretty exciting, he was more impressive and exciting against Lauri than Hatton and early knock out victories against Battalgia and Biennas were exciting and brutal. And these are decent Euro level opperators and exciting wins. I personally don't find Ricky Hatton mauling smaller and older operators exciting but its all personal preferenances.

Again Eubank was hardly exciting in many of his bouts but was promoted well. Winky Wright/Mayweather don't bring more action than Witter does but get solid publicity.

Sorry, but I didn't find any of these fights exciting. Even against N'dou, after a bright start, Witter spent the majority of the latter rounds clowning around and nearly lost the fight, ok, so that was because of an injured hand, but the crowd don't give a shit about that, and they were booing him rthe end of the bout for his showboating.

How on earth can you compare Eubank and Witter!!!? What a ridiculous comparison. Eubank had life and death wars with Benn, Collins, Thompson, and a few poor performances. He also had a personality which transcended his performances.

Winky Wright has gotten where he has by dint of being a champion for so long, but even so, he's not exactly box office dynamite is he, despite the fact that her perceives himself as a massive draw, he needs a Mosley or Taylor to sell a PPV.

Mayweather has appeared in TWO PPV fights to date, one against Gatti (huge box office) and the other against Judah, which sold ok. Mayweather also has the advantage of being considered, by many, as the top man P4P in boxing, and of being a multi division champion stretching back several years since his days at featherweight.

Judah has only just won a belt, and is yet to defend it, and whether you agree or not, the fact is, he just hasn't excited the public. This could change with one big performance, but right now, that big performance has yet to happen.

I'm sure Witter's PR would disagree, but that's their job, as I said, I've nothing against Witter, and I'm glad he got to where he is today, but the reality is, that he's not box office yet.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 04 Jan 2007, 12:51

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:It's Judah's job to win, and impress in doing so. Hennessy can hype it as much as they like, but thus far, Junior has failed to impress in the ring, his win over Corley was hardly a thrilling night's work, standing posing with your hand cocked above your head for 20 seconds is hardly going to set the crowd on fire, nor is doing an impression of Shakin' Stevens for half a round.

I've nothing against Junior, but the vast majority of his fights are far from entertaining, and thus, no matter what he's got strapped around his waist, (unless it's plastic explosives), he's not going to cause much excitement in the crowd.
Deliberate *cough* Mistake

WITTERS fight with Ndou was pretty exciting, he was more impressive and exciting against Lauri than Hatton and early knock out victories against Battalgia and Biennas were exciting and brutal. And these are decent Euro level opperators and exciting wins. I personally don't find Ricky Hatton mauling smaller and older operators exciting but its all personal preferenances.

Again Eubank was hardly exciting in many of his bouts but was promoted well. Winky Wright/Mayweather don't bring more action than Witter does but get solid publicity.
Sorry, but I didn't find any of these fights exciting. Even against N'dou, after a bright start, Witter spent the majority of the latter rounds clowning around and nearly lost the fight, ok, so that was because of an injured hand, but the crowd don't give a shit about that, and they were booing him rthe end of the bout for his showboating.

How on earth can you compare Eubank and Witter!!!? What a ridiculous comparison. Eubank had life and death wars with Benn, Collins, Thompson, and a few poor performances. He also had a personality which transcended his performances.

Winky Wright has gotten where he has by dint of being a champion for so long, but even so, he's not exactly box office dynamite is he, despite the fact that her perceives himself as a massive draw, he needs a Mosley or Taylor to sell a PPV.

Mayweather has appeared in TWO PPV fights to date, one against Gatti (huge box office) and the other against Judah, which sold ok. Mayweather also has the advantage of being considered, by many, as the top man P4P in boxing, and of being a multi division champion stretching back several years since his days at featherweight.

Judah has only just won a belt, and is yet to defend it, and whether you agree or not, the fact is, he just hasn't excited the public. This could change with one big performance, but right now, that big performance has yet to happen.

I'm sure Witter's PR would disagree, but that's their job, as I said, I've nothing against Witter, and I'm glad he got to where he is today, but the reality is, that he's not box office yet.

1. Are you calling Witter Judah on purpose after been pointed it out

2. As a big Hatton fan I think you do have something against Witter and have an axe to grind

3. The public get excited when they're told to be excited. Amir Khan knocking over tomato cans excites the average fan.

4. The majority of Eubanks fights were as exciting than Witters unless in with a big gun.

5. You mention Eubank-Benn - without Benn Eubank wouldn't have had a blood guts war for people to remember him by. Witter would have a blood and guts war with Hatton if Hatton would make the fight. Its not Witters fault he can't get anyone in the ring who may give him an exciting contest.

6. I pointed out to your before Mayweather-Judah outsold Mayweather-Gatti, don't hold on to the myth that Gatti sold the Mayweather PPV

7. I agree with you that if Witter perceveres as a champ his reputation will grow. Its a pity British boxing fans seem to prefer to back less skilled domestic level fighters because they may get into unwise blood and guts wars.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 04 Jan 2007, 20:37

If Witter wants the fight with Ricky he's got to get the public interested in him before the Arturo Morua fight, so that people tune in to watch.

I don't get why people think Kessler doesn't need to do this to get a fight with Calzaghe but people say Witter should do it for Hatton.

Taki... · Post by **Taki...** » 04 Jan 2007, 20:56

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
5. You mention Eubank-Benn - without Benn Eubank wouldn't have had a blood guts war for people to remember him by.

As far as I recall Eubank had memorable blood and guts wars with Watson and Thompson... twice.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 05 Jan 2007, 06:00

Taki... wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
5. You mention Eubank-Benn - without Benn Eubank wouldn't have had a blood guts war for people to remember him by.
As far as I recall Eubank had memorable blood and guts wars with Watson and Thompson... twice.

Those fights were after Benn when Eubank had been thrown into the limelight. Thompson was at the end of Eubanks career too. Lets not compare them in such a way until Witters career is over.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 05 Jan 2007, 06:33

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: Deliberate *cough* Mistake

WITTERS fight with Ndou was pretty exciting, he was more impressive and exciting against Lauri than Hatton and early knock out victories against Battalgia and Biennas were exciting and brutal. And these are decent Euro level opperators and exciting wins. I personally don't find Ricky Hatton mauling smaller and older operators exciting but its all personal preferenances.

Again Eubank was hardly exciting in many of his bouts but was promoted well. Winky Wright/Mayweather don't bring more action than Witter does but get solid publicity.
Sorry, but I didn't find any of these fights exciting. Even against N'dou, after a bright start, Witter spent the majority of the latter rounds clowning around and nearly lost the fight, ok, so that was because of an injured hand, but the crowd don't give a shit about that, and they were booing him rthe end of the bout for his showboating.

How on earth can you compare Eubank and Witter!!!? What a ridiculous comparison. Eubank had life and death wars with Benn, Collins, Thompson, and a few poor performances. He also had a personality which transcended his performances.

Winky Wright has gotten where he has by dint of being a champion for so long, but even so, he's not exactly box office dynamite is he, despite the fact that her perceives himself as a massive draw, he needs a Mosley or Taylor to sell a PPV.

Mayweather has appeared in TWO PPV fights to date, one against Gatti (huge box office) and the other against Judah, which sold ok. Mayweather also has the advantage of being considered, by many, as the top man P4P in boxing, and of being a multi division champion stretching back several years since his days at featherweight.

Judah has only just won a belt, and is yet to defend it, and whether you agree or not, the fact is, he just hasn't excited the public. This could change with one big performance, but right now, that big performance has yet to happen.

I'm sure Witter's PR would disagree, but that's their job, as I said, I've nothing against Witter, and I'm glad he got to where he is today, but the reality is, that he's not box office yet.
1. Are you calling Witter Judah on purpose after been pointed it out

2. As a big Hatton fan I think you do have something against Witter and have an axe to grind

3. The public get excited when they're told to be excited. Amir Khan knocking over tomato cans excites the average fan.

4. The majority of Eubanks fights were as exciting than Witters unless in with a big gun.

5. You mention Eubank-Benn - without Benn Eubank wouldn't have had a blood guts war for people to remember him by. Witter would have a blood and guts war with Hatton if Hatton would make the fight. Its not Witters fault he can't get anyone in the ring who may give him an exciting contest.

6. I pointed out to your before Mayweather-Judah outsold Mayweather-Gatti, don't hold on to the myth that Gatti sold the Mayweather PPV

7. I agree with you that if Witter perceveres as a champ his reputation will grow. Its a pity British boxing fans seem to prefer to back less skilled domestic level fighters because they may get into unwise blood and guts wars.

Well spotted.

As for the Judah v Mayweather PPV figures, I'm not entirely sure I believe those figures, and networks are notorious for inflating the true figures to suit their purposes. In any case Mayweather v Gatti actually generated more money, as the PPV was more expensive.

either way, neither Mayweather v Gatti nor Mayweather v Judah were a massive PPV success, 300,000 or so buys is pretty modest by US standards, given that Hatton has sold in excess of 250,000 I think it was in the UK alone.

When has Witter ever had a 'blood and guts war' with anyone? I cannot see him standing and trading with Hatton at all, that's a fight he couldn't win bar landing a peach of a punch.

All comparisons between Witter and Eubank are utterly facile, they were different times, Eubank was a national institution who was viewed on terrestrial TV for years, and had a massive following, his fight with Benn was incredibly hotly anticipated, didn't they get a crowd of 40,000 for that? Benn as I said before was a larger than life personality who commanded attention even from those who despised him as a persona.

As for being a 'hatton fan' I don't really follow boxing in that way, I'm a fan of what Hatton has achieved, but I don't 'support' him in the traditional sense.

I'd be happy for Hatton and witter to fight, and I do happen to think Hatton would win pretty handily, but my points about Witter as made stand, he isn't a big draw, and he doesn't have much profile right now.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 05 Jan 2007, 06:56

But still, in ten years' time, when we look back and see that Witter was WBC champ and Hatton was IBF champ & never fought, we'll all wonder how fvcking stupid it all was.

There have been calls for this fight loads of times.

We've got three world champs in the same country, same division! Madness.

A fight should have happened:

When both were up & comers at SN - back then it was because Warren wanted to save Hatton for bigger things.

When Witter had gone the EBU/Hennessey route, knocked out EVERYONE during this phase, and Hatton was WBU 'king', rehearsing for his proepr world title days.

When Witter was a ducked WBC contender / ducked WBC champion, and Hatton getting put on the shelf while HBO keep delaying his fights with Urangutan and Castillo.

There's always a different reason. If one is that Witter isn't a draw, the other reason is that Witter is a difficult stylist who hits hard.

One day Hatton might either a) fall on hard luck and ask for a title shot, or b) have a fight fall through and someone will push him into a WBC title fight to salvage something. Witter is a fighter who's able to save himself for a very big night. When he gets his chance, he'll be fully fit and may surprise Hatton, whose lifestyle and increasingly low shchedule will catch up with him.

THEBUTCH · Post by **THEBUTCH** » 05 Jan 2007, 07:06

Hennessy has done a good job with Witter. He was going no where in comparison under Sportsnetwork's guidance.

He became EBU champion, defended it several times, got TV exposure and Hennessy forced his way through with the WBC (no easy thing) and now Juinior's world champion and defending with TV exposure again in his home country. That's good work. Of course there's always room for improvement, but I can't think of anyone else who could have done a better job with Witter, whilst ALSO giving him full notice to prepare for his assignments.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 05 Jan 2007, 07:12

The sad things is, in 10 years time, nobody will give a damn. It's so common these days for prospects, contenders and even champions from this country to avoid one another, that it's almost become De Rigeur...

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 05 Jan 2007, 07:46

Terence wrote:The long and short of it is that when both were with Warren he could not get the US TV companies interested and the man himself probably feared Witter may stink the venue out if they did fight.

HBO would probably rather finance Nelson-De Leon II instead of Witter versus anybody, that is nothing to do with being a fan or influenced by one camp or another, it is simple pragmatics.

Witter had that KO streak but it was not at a level high enough to impress the TV companies you will eventually have to deal with once you get to a certain level. Now the class of opposition has improved, the KO's are gone and until they or an exciting performance returns the fight is unlikely to be made.

People can say Castillo is a blown-up lightweight (he is not, he was a boiled-down LW, possibly a welter), they can say he is past his best but the simple fact is that if you put a highlight reel of both Witter's and Castillo's fights before TV executives it will take them a nanosecond to decide who they want to pair with Hatton in a big Summer fight.

I am not a huge fan of Witter's style but he seems a nice guy with good people behind him, the simple fact is that he has recently been given two showcases, in his US one he was roundly booed. In his title winning showcase he, rightly or wrongly, put in a few rounds and moves that saw him become a figure of ridicule.

He needs to blast this next guy out in order to stave off some of that negative publicity. I hope he does it because at this moment he is seen as a four-round banger who loses power and momentum as a fight progresses.

Spot on Terrence......it's just business.

I will say this however in Witter's defence. I think Jay Larkin had something of a vendetta against Witter when he was at showtime, because when Witter fought Judah, he made Judah look VERY ordinary, and even though he lost, I would go so far as to say he humiliated Judah a little. Had Witter lost the fight and made a go of it, instead of embarrassing Judah by making him miss and clowning him, then he may well have gotten another opportunity, as by coming in late he was after all doing Warren, Showtime and Larkin a favour.

As it was, after embarassing Showtime fighter Judah and spoiling his showcase, Larkin was probably really fuming, and thus Warren was left with egg on his face that his fighter had soured things with Larkin.

The end result was that Larkin openly vowed that he would never feature Witter on showtime again, and from that point it was a matter of time until Warren and witter parted company.

Fair play, Witter's taken a long and winding road to get his title shot, and Hennessy has done very well to get him there, but now Witter needs to blast out his challengers and start shouting the odds about being the best at 140.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 05 Jan 2007, 07:51

Witter can't help rubbing viewers up the wrong way. After about a year and a world title win I've warmed up to him.

But you know, imagine if Ben Rabah had got the decision he deserved vs Urango. We'd have Hatton-Rabah next month, which is far less attractive to any boxing fan in the world.

Rabah is a light hitter who moves out of range before his punch has grazed his opponent.

Castillo is definitely more attractive - he's had some terrific wins and despite controvesy, has battered some top class fighters and mixed it up at the highest level since 1998.

But there aren't unlimited options out there for Ricky. He just came down from 147 where all the big fights are. At light welter, won't he want to unify?

140 is filled with difficult, skilled, unfashionable, pros: Witter, Mbaye, Rabah, Kotelnik. Two of 'em have world titles...come on Hatton! (providing he gets by Urango and Castillo)...If he doesn't fight fighters like this, who does he fight?

There is only one answer - unless he has Fight of the Year brawls with Castillo or Urango, which create the demand for rematches, or poss a moving up in weigh Corrales.

Lightsoot · Post by **Lightsoot** » 05 Jan 2007, 08:02

THEBUTCH wrote:Hennessy has done a good job with Witter. He was going no where in comparison under Sportsnetwork's guidance.

He became EBU champion, defended it several times, got TV exposure and Hennessy forced his way through with the WBC (no easy thing) and now Juinior's world champion and defending with TV exposure again in his home country. That's good work. Of course there's always room for improvement, but I can't think of anyone else who could have done a better job with Witter, whilst ALSO giving him full notice to prepare for his assignments.

Hennessy may well have delivered for Witter ultimately but lets not reinvent history. With Sports Network Witter landed a shot at the IBF title (ok, on short notice, but it was an opportunity he didn't merit at the time).

And in addition to that Warren secured Witter a WBO title showdown with Kelson Pinto which Witter pulled out injured of. He then joined up with Hennessy and fought for the European title immediately afterwards.

THEBUTCH · Post by **THEBUTCH** » 05 Jan 2007, 10:00

I stand by what I said. Warren also put Witter, an undoubted championship boxer, in pointless four rounders.

The WBO title is regarded a lesser belt than the WBC generally and you have had to acknowedge my point that although he out the Judah fight on, it was at very short notice. Hennesy has done the job properly and the achievements speak for themselves.

So who could have done a better job? Witter is not the greatest draw at the box office, so to get where he has is a job well done IMO.

Lightsoot · Post by **Lightsoot** » 05 Jan 2007, 10:09

THEBUTCH wrote:I stand by what I said. Warren also put Witter, an undoubted championship boxer, in pointless four rounders.

The WBO title is regarded a lesser belt than the WBC generally and you have had to acknowedge my point that although he out the Judah fight on, it was at very short notice. Hennesy has done the job properly and the achievements speak for themselves.

So who could have done a better job? Witter is not the greatest draw at the box office, so to get where he has is a job well done IMO.

What four rounders? Miguel Cotto fought Pinto for the WBO title after that. Is Cotto a lesser fighter because he fought for the WBO? The alphabet titles are as bad as each other these days.

And had Witter beaten Pinto and then defended against Judah, Cotto etc he would have been right up there in the top mix.

It took Hennessy two-and-a-half years to deliver a world title shot for Witter. Hardly overnight and arguably overdue.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 05 Jan 2007, 10:29

Ben Carey wrote:
THEBUTCH wrote:I stand by what I said. Warren also put Witter, an undoubted championship boxer, in pointless four rounders.

The WBO title is regarded a lesser belt than the WBC generally and you have had to acknowedge my point that although he out the Judah fight on, it was at very short notice. Hennesy has done the job properly and the achievements speak for themselves.

So who could have done a better job? Witter is not the greatest draw at the box office, so to get where he has is a job well done IMO.
What four rounders? Miguel Cotto fought Pinto for the WBO title after that. Is Cotto a lesser fighter because he fought for the WBO? The alphabet titles are as bad as each other these days.

And had Witter beaten Pinto and then defended against Judah, Cotto etc he would have been right up there in the top mix.

It took Hennessy two-and-a-half years to deliver a world title shot for Witter. Hardly overnight and arguably overdue.

Judah wouldnt have fought Witter for the belt he vacated and Cotto may have opted to fight Harris for the WBA instead of Witter for the WBO.

I agree 2 1/2 years was a long time. Witters management should have been aiming for the likes of Mitchell, Ukral, Harris, Cotto in that time. Fights with Mayweather, Tyszu, Gatti, Hatton were impossibilities. They could have got the Cotto that fought Torres on short notice.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 05 Jan 2007, 10:29

I still think Hennessy have done well in that they didn't have a 'fashionable' fighter, which made it that bit harder for them to secure the shot, yes it was overdue arguably given how long Witter remained unbeaten after Judah, though often not against top quality, he'd been around contender status for some time. A 'younger' outfit like Hennessy did well to keep on badgering away until he got his shot.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 05 Jan 2007, 10:36

Well because he lost last time he took a fight on short notice.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 05 Jan 2007, 10:39

Terence wrote:I may be wrong but didn't they turn down a shot against Cotto last year at some point? Nothing to do with injury but because of short-notice. Why not fight the clearly weight-drained Cotto?

Yes he got an opportunity to fight Cotto instead of Torres on a week or 2s notice. If you havent been sparring/training and are going to be struggling to make the weight limit and not fit. Its not so good when facing a top fighters like Cotto when you have a WBC shot secured. In retrospect Witter may have taken the weight drained Cotto that night.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 05 Jan 2007, 11:05

There's a lot of sitting around with the proverbial thumb up the arse these days, Hatton did it to an extent too, he fought a lot of soft targets whilst waiting for his shot, and made a bloody fortune doing so too.

Sadly, from a business perspective, it makes sense to do just that, but fortunately, some fighters, like Manny Pacquaio for instance, actually want to beat everyone within spitting distance, in that sense, I think he's a throwback, let's hope he continues in the same vein, and if he loses some along the way, I don't think it matters, because his fights are very seldom less than exciting, and often thrilling.

It's usually the fighters who think they have little or no chance of a payday who jump at the opportunity, like Carlos Maussa, who didn't give a rat's arse about Harris' rep.