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jamesmcdonnell wrote:It's Judah's job to win, and impress in doing so. Hennessy can hype it as much as they like, but thus far, Junior has failed to impress in the ring, his win over Corley was hardly a thrilling night's work, standing posing with your hand cocked above your head for 20 seconds is hardly going to set the crowd on fire, nor is doing an impression of Shakin' Stevens for half a round.

I've nothing against Junior, but the vast majority of his fights are far from entertaining, and thus, no matter what he's got strapped around his waist, (unless it's plastic explosives), he's not going to cause much excitement in the crowd.

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:It's Judah's job to win, and impress in doing so. Hennessy can hype it as much as they like, but thus far, Junior has failed to impress in the ring, his win over Corley was hardly a thrilling night's work, standing posing with your hand cocked above your head for 20 seconds is hardly going to set the crowd on fire, nor is doing an impression of Shakin' Stevens for half a round.

I've nothing against Junior, but the vast majority of his fights are far from entertaining, and thus, no matter what he's got strapped around his waist, (unless it's plastic explosives), he's not going to cause much excitement in the crowd.

Deliberate *cough* Mistake

WITTERS fight with Ndou was pretty exciting, he was more impressive and exciting against Lauri than Hatton and early knock out victories against Battalgia and Biennas were exciting and brutal. And these are decent Euro level opperators and exciting wins. I personally don't find Ricky Hatton mauling smaller and older operators exciting but its all personal preferenances.

Again Eubank was hardly exciting in many of his bouts but was promoted well. Winky Wright/Mayweather don't bring more action than Witter does but get solid publicity.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:It's Judah's job to win, and impress in doing so. Hennessy can hype it as much as they like, but thus far, Junior has failed to impress in the ring, his win over Corley was hardly a thrilling night's work, standing posing with your hand cocked above your head for 20 seconds is hardly going to set the crowd on fire, nor is doing an impression of Shakin' Stevens for half a round.

I've nothing against Junior, but the vast majority of his fights are far from entertaining, and thus, no matter what he's got strapped around his waist, (unless it's plastic explosives), he's not going to cause much excitement in the crowd.

Deliberate *cough* Mistake

WITTERS fight with Ndou was pretty exciting, he was more impressive and exciting against Lauri than Hatton and early knock out victories against Battalgia and Biennas were exciting and brutal. And these are decent Euro level opperators and exciting wins. I personally don't find Ricky Hatton mauling smaller and older operators exciting but its all personal preferenances.

Again Eubank was hardly exciting in many of his bouts but was promoted well. Winky Wright/Mayweather don't bring more action than Witter does but get solid publicity.

Sorry, but I didn't find any of these fights exciting. Even against N'dou, after a bright start, Witter spent the majority of the latter rounds clowning around and nearly lost the fight, ok, so that was because of an injured hand, but the crowd don't give a shit about that, and they were booing him rthe end of the bout for his showboating.

How on earth can you compare Eubank and Witter!!!? What a ridiculous comparison. Eubank had life and death wars with Benn, Collins, Thompson, and a few poor performances. He also had a personality which transcended his performances.

Winky Wright has gotten where he has by dint of being a champion for so long, but even so, he's not exactly box office dynamite is he, despite the fact that her perceives himself as a massive draw, he needs a Mosley or Taylor to sell a PPV.

Mayweather has appeared in TWO PPV fights to date, one against Gatti (huge box office) and the other against Judah, which sold ok. Mayweather also has the advantage of being considered, by many, as the top man P4P in boxing, and of being a multi division champion stretching back several years since his days at featherweight.

Judah has only just won a belt, and is yet to defend it, and whether you agree or not, the fact is, he just hasn't excited the public. This could change with one big performance, but right now, that big performance has yet to happen.

I'm sure Witter's PR would disagree, but that's their job, as I said, I've nothing against Witter, and I'm glad he got to where he is today, but the reality is, that he's not box office yet.

If Witter wants the fight with Ricky he's got to get the public interested in him before the Arturo Morua fight, so that people tune in to watch.

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
5. You mention Eubank-Benn - without Benn Eubank wouldn't have had a blood guts war for people to remember him by.

Taki... wrote:

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
5. You mention Eubank-Benn - without Benn Eubank wouldn't have had a blood guts war for people to remember him by.

As far as I recall Eubank had memorable blood and guts wars with Watson and Thompson... twice.

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: Deliberate *cough* Mistake

WITTERS fight with Ndou was pretty exciting, he was more impressive and exciting against Lauri than Hatton and early knock out victories against Battalgia and Biennas were exciting and brutal. And these are decent Euro level opperators and exciting wins. I personally don't find Ricky Hatton mauling smaller and older operators exciting but its all personal preferenances.

Again Eubank was hardly exciting in many of his bouts but was promoted well. Winky Wright/Mayweather don't bring more action than Witter does but get solid publicity.

Sorry, but I didn't find any of these fights exciting. Even against N'dou, after a bright start, Witter spent the majority of the latter rounds clowning around and nearly lost the fight, ok, so that was because of an injured hand, but the crowd don't give a shit about that, and they were booing him rthe end of the bout for his showboating.

How on earth can you compare Eubank and Witter!!!? What a ridiculous comparison. Eubank had life and death wars with Benn, Collins, Thompson, and a few poor performances. He also had a personality which transcended his performances.

Winky Wright has gotten where he has by dint of being a champion for so long, but even so, he's not exactly box office dynamite is he, despite the fact that her perceives himself as a massive draw, he needs a Mosley or Taylor to sell a PPV.

Mayweather has appeared in TWO PPV fights to date, one against Gatti (huge box office) and the other against Judah, which sold ok. Mayweather also has the advantage of being considered, by many, as the top man P4P in boxing, and of being a multi division champion stretching back several years since his days at featherweight.

Judah has only just won a belt, and is yet to defend it, and whether you agree or not, the fact is, he just hasn't excited the public. This could change with one big performance, but right now, that big performance has yet to happen.

I'm sure Witter's PR would disagree, but that's their job, as I said, I've nothing against Witter, and I'm glad he got to where he is today, but the reality is, that he's not box office yet.

1. Are you calling Witter Judah on purpose after been pointed it out

2. As a big Hatton fan I think you do have something against Witter and have an axe to grind

3. The public get excited when they're told to be excited. Amir Khan knocking over tomato cans excites the average fan.

4. The majority of Eubanks fights were as exciting than Witters unless in with a big gun.

5. You mention Eubank-Benn - without Benn Eubank wouldn't have had a blood guts war for people to remember him by. Witter would have a blood and guts war with Hatton if Hatton would make the fight. Its not Witters fault he can't get anyone in the ring who may give him an exciting contest.

6. I pointed out to your before Mayweather-Judah outsold Mayweather-Gatti, don't hold on to the myth that Gatti sold the Mayweather PPV

7. I agree with you that if Witter perceveres as a champ his reputation will grow. Its a pity British boxing fans seem to prefer to back less skilled domestic level fighters because they may get into unwise blood and guts wars.

Terence wrote:The long and short of it is that when both were with Warren he could not get the US TV companies interested and the man himself probably feared Witter may stink the venue out if they did fight.

HBO would probably rather finance Nelson-De Leon II instead of Witter versus anybody, that is nothing to do with being a fan or influenced by one camp or another, it is simple pragmatics.

Witter had that KO streak but it was not at a level high enough to impress the TV companies you will eventually have to deal with once you get to a certain level. Now the class of opposition has improved, the KO's are gone and until they or an exciting performance returns the fight is unlikely to be made.

People can say Castillo is a blown-up lightweight (he is not, he was a boiled-down LW, possibly a welter), they can say he is past his best but the simple fact is that if you put a highlight reel of both Witter's and Castillo's fights before TV executives it will take them a nanosecond to decide who they want to pair with Hatton in a big Summer fight.

I am not a huge fan of Witter's style but he seems a nice guy with good people behind him, the simple fact is that he has recently been given two showcases, in his US one he was roundly booed. In his title winning showcase he, rightly or wrongly, put in a few rounds and moves that saw him become a figure of ridicule.

He needs to blast this next guy out in order to stave off some of that negative publicity. I hope he does it because at this moment he is seen as a four-round banger who loses power and momentum as a fight progresses.

THEBUTCH wrote:Hennessy has done a good job with Witter. He was going no where in comparison under Sportsnetwork's guidance.

He became EBU champion, defended it several times, got TV exposure and Hennessy forced his way through with the WBC (no easy thing) and now Juinior's world champion and defending with TV exposure again in his home country. That's good work. Of course there's always room for improvement, but I can't think of anyone else who could have done a better job with Witter, whilst ALSO giving him full notice to prepare for his assignments.

THEBUTCH wrote:I stand by what I said. Warren also put Witter, an undoubted championship boxer, in pointless four rounders.

The WBO title is regarded a lesser belt than the WBC generally and you have had to acknowedge my point that although he out the Judah fight on, it was at very short notice. Hennesy has done the job properly and the achievements speak for themselves.

So who could have done a better job? Witter is not the greatest draw at the box office, so to get where he has is a job well done IMO.

Ben Carey wrote:

THEBUTCH wrote:I stand by what I said. Warren also put Witter, an undoubted championship boxer, in pointless four rounders.

The WBO title is regarded a lesser belt than the WBC generally and you have had to acknowedge my point that although he out the Judah fight on, it was at very short notice. Hennesy has done the job properly and the achievements speak for themselves.

So who could have done a better job? Witter is not the greatest draw at the box office, so to get where he has is a job well done IMO.

What four rounders? Miguel Cotto fought Pinto for the WBO title after that. Is Cotto a lesser fighter because he fought for the WBO? The alphabet titles are as bad as each other these days.

And had Witter beaten Pinto and then defended against Judah, Cotto etc he would have been right up there in the top mix.

It took Hennessy two-and-a-half years to deliver a world title shot for Witter. Hardly overnight and arguably overdue.

Terence wrote:I may be wrong but didn't they turn down a shot against Cotto last year at some point? Nothing to do with injury but because of short-notice. Why not fight the clearly weight-drained Cotto?