2007 Pan Am Box-Offs Athletes

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 05 Jan 2007, 20:52

A list of the boxers participating in the 2007 Pan Am Box-offs on January 20-21 will be posted on my web site - http://www.amateurboxiong.com - by 8 p.m. PDT tonight.

4 boxers are competing in each weight class. There will be 22 bouts on Saturday with the losing boxer going home. The winner of the Box-offs will go to the Pan Ams; the other two boxers will go to the training camp with the gold medalist.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 05 Jan 2007, 22:38

All entries posted - except for 2 in the 178 and 201 weight classes. I'll have those by tomorrow.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 06 Jan 2007, 01:08

boxmel wrote:A list of the boxers participating in the 2007 Pan Am Box-offs on January 20-21 will be posted on my web site - http://www.amateurboxiong.com - by 8 p.m. PDT tonight.

4 boxers are competing in each weight class. There will be 22 bouts on Saturday with the losing boxer going home. The winner of the Box-offs will go to the Pan Ams; the other two boxers will go to the training camp with the gold medalist.

Mel - you misspelled the link for your website. For those that don't know Mel's site, it is: http://www.amateurboxing.com
I hope everyone can find the info now.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 06 Jan 2007, 01:18

I'm disappointed that some top boxers are not in the Pan Am box-offs. I know some guys might be injured, but it is a shame that they are not in the box-offs.

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 06 Jan 2007, 11:18

What's happened? Where are Raushee Warren and Gary Russell?

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 06 Jan 2007, 12:13

Ooops - thanks, Dennis.

Misspelled my own web site. Sheesh!

As I have stated in another thread, I am sure that illness, school, work, etc. impacts what boxers can actually participate in an event that is two or more weeks long. It is also possible that knowing a win at the Pan Ams does not automatically get you to the Olympics, boxers are opting to participate in the qualifying tournaments.

I have no idea what happened to Warren and Russell. Possibly any of the above.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 06 Jan 2007, 13:47

Sorry - web site is down due to transfer to another web server. I'll post the Pan Am BO names here.

WGT. LAST FIRST CITY STATE RANKING

106 Lbs. Ceron Roberto Doraville GA 2
Padilla Louie Las Vegas NV 4
Rangel Marco Scottsdale AZ 6
Yanez Luis Duncanville TX 1

112 Lbs. Alafa Aaron Visalia CA 2
Muhammad Qa'id Ventnor City NJ 8 - PAL Silver
Nichol Shawn Lakewood CO 5
Venegas Oscar Maywood CA 4

119 Lbs. Lopez Rick Brighton CO 6
Marroquin Roberto Dallas TX PAL Silver
Valenzuela Victor Passare NJ PAL Bronze
Watkins Zach Atlanta GA 7

125 Lbs. Del Valle Luis Newburgh NY 3
Narvaez Johnny Hollywood FL 5
Ramos Rico Los Angeles CA 6 - PAL Gold
Sarnoi Walter Monterey Park CA PAL Silver

132 Lbs. Crawford Terrence Omaha NE 1
Garcia Danny Philadelphia PA 2
Magdaleno Diego Las Vegas NV 8 - PAL Silver
Ramos Luis Santa Ana CA 3

141 Lbs. Dargan Karl Philadelphia PA 2
DeLaCruz David Grand Prarie TX 4
Ramos Hector Lackland TX 1
Rivera Ray Kansas City MO 2

152 Lbs. Andrade Demetrius Providence RI 1
Haro Peter Inglewood CA 4
Melson Boyd Ft. Carson CO 4
Thurman Keith St. Petersburg FL 5 - PAL Gold

165 Lbs. Estrada Shawn Los Angeles, CA 3
Nelson Jonathan Little Rock AR 2
Porter Shawn Stow OH 4
Rodriguez Edwin Worcester MA 1

178 Lbs. Downs Christopher Ft. Carson CO 2
Riley Yathomas San Diego CA 1
TBA When I find out I'll post
TBA When I find out I'll post

201 Lbs. Willett Adam Bell Point NY 1
Carey David Anchorage AK 3
TBA When I find out I'll post
TBA When I find out I'll post

201+ Lbs. Hunter Michael Las Vegas NV 7 - PAL Gold
Runion Lucas College Park MD 4
Willis Jonte Tacoma WA 1
Wilson Mike Central Point OR 3

Southern-Cali · Post by **Southern-Cali** » 06 Jan 2007, 15:03

See USA Boxing site for correct list.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 06 Jan 2007, 15:23

Here's the new list:

WGT. LAST FIRST CITY STATE RANKING

106 Lbs. Ceron Roberto Doraville GA 2
Saenz Gabino Indio CA 4 - PAL Gold
Rangel Marco Scottsdale AZ 6
Yanez Luis Duncanville, TX 1

112 Lbs. Alafa Aaron Visalia CA 2
Muhammad, Qa'id, Ventnor City NJ 8 - PAL Silver
Nichol Shawn Lakewood CO 5
Venegas Oscar Maywood CA 4

119 Lbs. Lopez Rick Brighton CO 6
Marroquin Roberto Dallas TX PAL Silver
Valenzuela Victor Passsaic NJ PAL Bronze
Watkins Zach Atlanta GA 7

125 Lbs. Del Valle Luis Newburgh NY 3
Narvaez Johnny Hollywood FL 5
Ramos Rico Los Angeles, CA 6 - PAL Gold
Sarnoi Walter Monterey Park, CA PAL Silver

132 Lbs. Crawford Terrence Omaha NE 1
Garcia Danny Philadelphia, PA 2
Magdaleno Diego Las Vegas NV 8 - PAL Silver
Ramos Luis Santa Ana CA 3

141 Lbs. Dargan Karl Philadelphia PA 2
DeLaCruz David Grand Prarie TX 4
Ramos Hector Lackland, TX 1
Rivera Ray Kansas City MO 2

152 Lbs. Andrade Demetrius Providence RI 1
Haro Peter Inglewood CA 4
Melson Boyd Ft. Carson CO 4
Thurman Keith St. Petersburg, FL 5 - PAL Gold

165 Lbs. Estrada Shawn Los Angeles, CA 3
Nelson Jonathan Little Rock AR 2
Porter Shawn Stow OH 4
Rodriguez Edwin Worcester MA 1

178 Lbs. Downs Christopher, Ft. Carson, CO 2
Riley Yathomas San Diego CA 1
Lopez Alfonso Huntsville CA 3
Rosinsky William Richmond Hills, NY 2

201 Lbs. Willett Adam Bell Point NY 1
Carey David Anchorage AK 3
Zimmerman, James San Jose CA 2
Stallings Ray Princetown IN

201+ Lbs. Hunter Michael Las Vegas NV 7 - PAL Gold
Runion Lucas College Park, MD 4
Willis Jonte Tacoma WA 1
Wilson Mike Central Point, OR 3

THE WATCHER · Post by **THE WATCHER** » 06 Jan 2007, 19:52

The ranking are based on how the boxers placed in the
2006 US Championships not where they are ranked now .
this will also make up the draw 1 vs 4, 2 vs 3

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 06 Jan 2007, 23:11

Considering that some of the boxers did not rank in the top 4 at the U.S. Championships, they were picked on where they placed at the Championships, National PAL and availability.

Southern-Cali · Post by **Southern-Cali** » 06 Jan 2007, 23:37

I don't think teams were chosen according to US Mens/Elite status,then followed by PAL results. If so, right off bat the first division 106 should be:
1. Yanez 2. Ceron 3. Saenz PAL winner, 4. Rangel ???
I think it's aleady being set up for Yanez & Ceron to be kept apart. Yanez should be team one, Ceron team two. If the watcher is correct on the brackets.Team one against 4 Team 2 against 3. They are already starting off with unfair match ups. There is way too much favortism!
Why does the elite order change now? When USA boxing calls the Elite fighters to travel they say the go by order of ranking. Why should it change to set up the brackets now. Is ashame it you love the sport of boxing you have to deal it.

112 Division #2 & 3 are not in order of US Mens/ Elite then PAL finishers.
I have'nt had a chance to review the rest of the divisions.

THE WATCHER · Post by **THE WATCHER** » 07 Jan 2007, 01:12

S-Cal the athletes were picked 1st by elite status and 2nd by P.A.L 3rd by rank and availibility
The USOC chose the format of the draw 1-4 and 2-3
If a athlete cant attend because of injury or a commitment then you go down in order of rank
There are other circumstances that are not going to be mad public take your pick wt issues,drug tests,legal advisors telling athletes not to attend and a lot of our guys are young and may loose focus
'many are called but only a few are chosen'

Southern-Cali · Post by **Southern-Cali** » 07 Jan 2007, 02:40

Watcher, yes I understand how it should be assigned.If the Elite are not available it goes to the winner of the PALS.(no matter his ranking) If elite #1 and #2 are available then #3 & #4 should be the Pal gold and then silver, bronze etc. 106 should be Yanez/elite #1, Ceron /elite#2 both are available. Next elite #3 not available goes to Pal gold:Saenz: #4 should have gone to Cerone/silver (Pals) but he is #2 elite, so goes to bronze/Rangel.

112: Elite #1 Warren_out/ Pal gold
Elite #2 Venegas/ team #1 correct(available)
Elite # 3 Nicol team #3(should be team 2)
Elite #4 Alafa team #2(should be team 3)
Qa'd m/Pal silver team #4 correct

119:No elite available:Pal results;
Marroquin/pal silver team #1 correct
Valenzuela/pal 4th place team #2 correct
Rick Lopez/ did not make it to quarterfinals @ pals team #3 should be 4
Watkins/stopped by Russell quarterfinals team #4 should be 3
I understand the protocol, it's just not being followed. Maybe you can find out why this is happening?

THE WATCHER · Post by **THE WATCHER** » 07 Jan 2007, 12:04

S-CAL
I see your point
I believe this is what they did
1-4 and then P.A.L after that they go back to USA ranking they really dont care about anyones tournament but their own.
Yanez got in some trouble and lost his status and was dropped to 2nd
and now he is having more problems and want be competing in the
box offs

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 07 Jan 2007, 12:36

they really dont care about anyones tournament but their own.

If the above is in reference to USA Boxing - have either of you considered the fact that not every one is available for the amount of time needed for this event? Or available at all?

How did Yanez "lose his status" and get dropped to #2? I wasn't aware that points were given or taken if a boxer got in trouble. When did that start?

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 08 Jan 2007, 11:15

Instead of all the guessing, USA Boxing could just post how the decisions were made. Sometimes it just "appears" that there is favoritism and they could disspell that rumor by stating how they arrived at their decisions.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 08 Jan 2007, 12:28

Since USA Boxing isn't posting any thing of interest, why should they be any different now?

I do believe that the Pan-Am roster info on their web site states that they started with the top 4 from the U.S. Championships and then went to the PAL top four. Anything other than that probably had to do with availability or lack of interest or whatever.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 09 Jan 2007, 15:12

USA Boxing must be listening to some of our complaints. They have more info about the ranking system posted than they have had in years. Maybe now they can tell us how they arrive at their athlete decisions for each international competition. The appearance of impropriety or favoritism is what bothers most coaches and athletes. By being upfront with the boxing public on how decisions are made will alleviate some of those concerns.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 09 Jan 2007, 16:58

I would highly suggest you email John Stavros and make your suggestions. I don't know that USAB will inform the membership of every "pick" criteria. It would be exceedingly cumbersome to take each boxer and define how and why he was picked. Hopefully, the new year will bring more and open communication between the BOD and membership.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 09 Jan 2007, 18:43

boxmel wrote:I would highly suggest you email John Stavros and make your suggestions. I don't know that USAB will inform the membership of every "pick" criteria. It would be exceedingly cumbersome to take each boxer and define how and why he was picked. Hopefully, the new year will bring more and open communication between the BOD and membership.

I do send some of my suggestions to USA Boxing, but not all of them. I don't want to be too much of a PITA! I have asked for clarification on some issues in the past and some questions are answered honestly, other questions are given a half-baked answer and then others seem to be summarily dismissed or ignored.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 09 Jan 2007, 19:10

Ahhhh - such is life.

You can also try sending emails to Tom Virgets, the new BOD chair. He will actually have more to do with implementing policies and procedures for USAB than Stavros.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 10 Jan 2007, 12:27

In the future, I will try contacting Tom with questions and suggestions about policies & procedures.

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