Greatest lightweight of all time

Robmeth · Post by **Robmeth** » 11 Sep 2002, 22:05

Roberto Duran, with all his vigor couldn't hold a candle to Hilmer Kinty. Hilmer was so great, while everyone had their eye on fellow kronk stable mate Thomas Hearns, Hilmer won the lightweight title and later unified the title with Jim Watt. Hilmer lost to Sean O' Grady but later reversed the decision with two wins and a draw against the irishmen. don't forget Hilmer was 3-0 against Duran including that 8th round K.O. and that was while Duran was still a good fighter. He was set back with a 11th round ko loss for the Jr. Welter championship by Costa Zoo, but that was in the twilight of his career and shouldn't be used as an arguement against his greatness.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 12 Sep 2002, 01:13

I've give the edge to Jerry Strickland when he fought at that weight, just on the quality of the opposition.

Nile4000 · Post by **Nile4000** » 12 Feb 2006, 16:43

Was Hilmer scared to fight Howard Davis jr. and Aaron Pryor?

everlast · Post by **everlast** » 12 Feb 2006, 16:55

pernell whitaker is the greatest lightweight head to head imo

matador · Post by **matador** » 12 Feb 2006, 17:04

everlast wrote:pernell whitaker is the greatest lightweight head to head imo

I agree. His fights were so one-sided he'd make top-tier opposition look like sparring partners.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 12 Feb 2006, 17:09

There'a good argument for either man being the greatest, however, Benny Leonard's record at lightweight is nothing short of incredible.

Henry Armstrong although he went on to win the Welter title, fought most of his career under the lightweight limit and thought he wasn't lightweight champ for long, was definetly great at the weight.

D. Shiznit · Post by **D. Shiznit** » 12 Feb 2006, 17:10

I would have to say Oscar De La Hoya.... the man was unbeatable at lightweight.

pringle · Post by **pringle** » 12 Feb 2006, 20:06

with a name like "hilmer" you'd have to be good fighter.

matador · Post by **matador** » 12 Feb 2006, 22:21

D. Shiznit wrote:I would have to say Oscar De La Hoya.... the man was unbeatable at lightweight.

Yeah, by outmustling much smaller veterans moving up in weight who were washed up.

Whitaker gave Oscar hell when he was way past his prime at welterweight (which is closer to Oscar's natural weight and way above Sweat Pea.) Sweat Pea was much more elusive at lightweight and, in his prime, he would've pitched a shutout over Oscar.

MaxPow · Post by **MaxPow** » 12 Feb 2006, 23:56

It's hard to make a lightweight head-to-head discussion without mentioning Mayweather.

shoutout · Post by **shoutout** » 13 Feb 2006, 00:22

Robmeth wrote:Roberto Duran, with all his vigor couldn't hold a candle to Hilmer Kinty. Hilmer was so great, while everyone had their eye on fellow kronk stable mate Thomas Hearns, Hilmer won the lightweight title and later unified the title with Jim Watt. Hilmer lost to Sean O' Grady but later reversed the decision with two wins and a draw against the irishmen. don't forget Hilmer was 3-0 against Duran including that 8th round K.O. and that was while Duran was still a good fighter. He was set back with a 11th round ko loss for the Jr. Welter championship by Costa Zoo, but that was in the twilight of his career and shouldn't be used as an arguement against his greatness.

based on the high number of total fabrications in your post, i'm assuming the last 4 letters of your name refer to crystal meth...i suggest you join the forum at druggedoutlosers.com!!

shoutout · Post by **shoutout** » 13 Feb 2006, 00:27

MaxPow wrote:It's hard to make a lightweight head-to-head discussion without mentioning Mayweather.

alot of folks here would scoff at that, but based on the fact that mayweather had a controversial win over the best LW champ in his first bout at 135 (castillo) & a clearcut win over castillo in his 2nd fight at 135, i think PBF clearly merits consideration for top 5 all-time lightweights...especially considering that PBF, castillo & probably chico corrales will end up in HOF!!!

ringsider · Post by **ringsider** » 13 Feb 2006, 00:42

I think Robmeth, has been using meth, for a little too long.

shoutout · Post by **shoutout** » 13 Feb 2006, 00:49

ringsider wrote:I think Robmeth, has been using meth, for a little too long.

i agree, but that doesnt mean we can't salvage this topic by turning it into a serious discussion of the issue at hand (see above posts)...

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 13 Feb 2006, 01:57

...i don't know that he was the greatest....i don't think any one fighter can be so positivley identified in this division which has produced to much tlaent for so many years...but my all-time favorite lightweight is ike williams...whom i think ..when at his best..would have to be considered among those at the top of the list.

shoutout · Post by **shoutout** » 13 Feb 2006, 02:30

Jaclem wrote:...i don't know that he was the greatest....i don't think any one fighter can be so positivley identified in this division which has produced to much tlaent for so many years...but my all-time favorite lightweight is ike williams...whom i think ..when at his best..would have to be considered among those at the top of the list.

i could see duran, whitaker, mayweather, williams & benny leonard as top 5...

Robmeth · Post by **Robmeth** » 13 Feb 2006, 08:12

You all very stoopid! Leave me alone!

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 13 Feb 2006, 08:30

Pernell Whittaker for me.

Far too slick for anybody.

Duran would have done 10 no mas' fighting Whittaker!!!!!!!!

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 13 Feb 2006, 10:05

Duran was fighting at Welterweight, and lest we forget, had ALREADY beaten Leonard in their first fight.

Leonard was a better all around fighter than Pernell also, he hit with more authority and fought in the pocket well.

Duran was also over 200 lbs in between the 1st and 2nd fights, and the reason he quit was he was on diuretics to lose weight and was completely fucked.

Whittaker would have had to have had the fight of his life to beat Duran, who was a real killer of men at lightweight, not sure who would have won, but would have been a close fight.

DLH, not even close.

scottmallon · Post by **scottmallon** » 13 Feb 2006, 10:06

This is a list compiled by the members of the International Boxing Research Organization of which I am a member. I believe it is pretty accurate.

#1 Benny Leonard
#2 Roberto Duran
#3 Joe Gans
#4 Henry Armstrong
#5 Tony Canzoneri
#6 Ike Williams
#7 Pernell Whitaker
#8 Barney Ross
#9 Julio Cesar Chavez
#10 Lou Ambers

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 13 Feb 2006, 11:24

scottmallon wrote:This is a list compiled by the members of the International Boxing Research Organization of which I am a member. I believe it is pretty accurate.

#1 Benny Leonard
#2 Roberto Duran
#3 Joe Gans
#4 Henry Armstrong
#5 Tony Canzoneri
#6 Ike Williams
#7 Pernell Whitaker
#8 Barney Ross
#9 Julio Cesar Chavez
#10 Lou Ambers

i think jack blackburn should defintley be on the list

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 13 Feb 2006, 11:45

scottmallon wrote:This is a list compiled by the members of the International Boxing Research Organization of which I am a member. I believe it is pretty accurate.

#1 Benny Leonard
#2 Roberto Duran
#3 Joe Gans
#4 Henry Armstrong
#5 Tony Canzoneri
#6 Ike Williams
#7 Pernell Whitaker
#8 Barney Ross
#9 Julio Cesar Chavez
#10 Lou Ambers

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 13 Feb 2006, 13:12

I take Whitaker over Duran. He would fight a lot like Leonard/Duran II, granted not with as much pop, but would definitely frustrate Duran a bunch.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 13 Feb 2006, 13:18

As I said, what about the first fight? Duran came into that fight properly prepared and totally outpsyched leonard, it's funny how people often seem to overlook that fight and focus instead on the horribly out of condition version Leonard beat.

At lightweight at his best, nobody ever ran rings around Duran. It would have been an even fight, and a pick em.

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 13 Feb 2006, 13:35

my top 5:
1. Armstrong
2. Duran
3. Benny Leonard
4. Joe Gans
5. Whitaker

Duran and Armstrong in a head to head are the best.

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