Ben re Perth March 24

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 14 Mar 2007, 08:04

Hi mate
You got any more info on this show?
http://www.boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=522978

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 14 Mar 2007, 08:10

I hadn't seen it advertised but i will be going for sure, Looks like a good card. Daniel Dawson just fought a few weeks ago in a kickboxing fight so i'm amazed he is fighting so soon.
I will keep my eye out for it and keep you informed.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 14 Mar 2007, 23:05

There are some pretty good names on there, depending on opponents it sounds like it could be a great card. It doesn't look like it is going to be televised so if you could do a write up of the card especially the Bryant fight that would be awesome. Robbie is the one who knocked down Tongia, that if nothing else tells me we should keep an eye on that bloke...

woe31 · Post by **woe31** » 15 Mar 2007, 00:19

Hopefully the names on the right hand side of the ledger can fight back, but it seems to be shaping up to be a reasonable card.

I'd also be interested in a report on Bryant. I remember a while back someone (may have been jezzamundo) mentioned that they knew him personally and that he was one to watch out for in the future.

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 15 Mar 2007, 06:02

The card hasn’t been finalized.
Fellow editor Brad Vocale, who is reffing/judging on the show will have it & will fill-in the blanks in the next couple of days.

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 22 Mar 2007, 01:14

I cant believe the matchups, Dawsons opponent isnt even on boxrec and most of the fights are pathetic.
The card looked decent until they put the opponents names on there.
I will still go but im going to have trouble trying to get my mates to come and watch these mismatches.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 22 Mar 2007, 01:23

Yeah pretty disappointing in the end, still you'll have to let us know what the night was like Ben. Hope you can get a few mates there, offer them a few brews if nothing else works

ChrisQ · Post by **ChrisQ** » 22 Mar 2007, 08:38

Dawson wouldn't want anything that could get him injured.

Will be fighting in K1 Max against Jordan Tai in 2 weeks. Huge step for him to get back on the japanese radar.

Hopefully he'll concentrate on his muay thai/kickboxing and stop fighting bums in boxing.

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 22 Mar 2007, 09:05

There are some pretty good names on there, depending on opponents it sounds like it could be a great card. It doesn't look like it is going to be televised so if you could do a write up of the card especially the Bryant fight that would be awesome. Robbie is the one who knocked down Tongia, that if nothing else tells me we should keep an eye on that bloke...

Hopefully the names on the right hand side of the ledger can fight back, but it seems to be shaping up to be a reasonable card.

I'd also be interested in a report on Bryant. I remember a while back someone (may have been jezzamundo) mentioned that they knew him personally and that he was one to watch out for in the future.

Yes, Robbie is the trainer at the boxing gym I used to go to. I would be really interested of a report of the fight, although Robbie should probably win by KO. His opponent's only fight was a KO loss to Daniel Dawson who Robbie has sparred with on a couple of occasions and held his own.

My main concern with Robbie is whether he can get enough fights, and afford to travel for fights. He's 28 now and will have had 6 months between his first two fights.

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 24 Mar 2007, 10:26

I cant believe the matchups, Dawsons opponent isnt even on boxrec and most of the fights are pathetic.
The card looked decent until they put the opponents names on there.
I will still go but im going to have trouble trying to get my mates to come and watch these mismatches.

Unfortunately I am in Manjimup, so could not see the fights tonight. If you did, could you post the results, as they are not yet officially up. Also, could you tell me about the Bryant fight, as I am particulary interested in that one.

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 24 Mar 2007, 23:46

After seeing the fights last night i was less than impressed with the matchups. Except a couple of fights

Bryant looked good in his fight, He looked a little rusty in the first round but was far to good for his opponent, I think he needs to move to Sydney or Melbourne as he is not going to get any attention over here and his win over Tongia will just fade away as Tongia gets more and more exposure.
I was impressed with Kickett he has quick hands and seems to be a real talent.
Dawsons opponent had no chance and was easily beaten.

The heavyweight fight was good but i was rather tanked by then so i cant say i remember to much detail.
Although most of the fights were mismatches it was a good night and i did manage to get a few mates down there.

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 25 Mar 2007, 01:42

I've done a bit of research and figure Bryant's opponent Taniela Vatunicoko is in fact Abhay Chand who lost to Dan Dawson last December.
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=177049

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 25 Mar 2007, 03:02

I've done a bit of research and figure Bryant's opponent Taniela Vatunicoko is in fact Abhay Chand who lost to Dan Dawson last December.

What the?!
Suddenly the guy Robbie beat is not 0-1-0 coming into the fight, but 8-8-3. I really don't understand this at all! I suppose this means Taniela Vatunicoko does not exist?! Oh well, by the sounds of it Robbie won easily, and at least it will boost his BoxRec rating a bit!

For anyone interested, below is an article about Robbie:
http://www.fighter-online.com/WE04JUl05 ... ryant.html

He told me he was supposed to be fighting in Newcastle this February but I guess he either couldn't get an opponent, or couldn't raise the money for the flight.

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 25 Mar 2007, 03:54

When one is dealing with a shifty character like Fiji trainer Lepani Wilson anything is possible.
The other day there was an article in Fiji Sun in which it mentioned that he was going to Perth with Mosese Kavika & Abhay Chand.
Didn't take long for this rocket scientist to work out who taniela Vatunicoco was.

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 25 Mar 2007, 09:35

Yes, as I thought, Robbie's BoxRec ranking has jumped from 620 in the world at light middleweight, to 184 in the world. That's actually ahead of Tyronne Tongia (who I think is around 290). If only Robbie was fighting as often and getting as much exposure as Tongia.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 25 Mar 2007, 18:12

Ben Keilty wrote:After seeing the fights last night i was less than impressed with the matchups. Except a couple of fights

Bryant looked good in his fight, He looked a little rusty in the first round but was far to good for his opponent, I think he needs to move to Sydney or Melbourne as he is not going to get any attention over here and his win over Tongia will just fade away as Tongia gets more and more exposure.
I was impressed with Kickett he has quick hands and seems to be a real talent.
Dawsons opponent had no chance and was easily beaten.

The heavyweight fight was good but i was rather tanked by then so i cant say i remember to much detail.
Although most of the fights were mismatches it was a good night and i did manage to get a few mates down there.

I'm glad it was a good night out but when every fight finishes well within the distance its testament to the fact that the match making was very poor. I know there are blokes out there who love a knockout and that is all well and good but I always think its better to have an evenly contested match up where the sweet science is on dislapy in all its glory!

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 26 Mar 2007, 01:47

Marlin wrote:
Ben Keilty wrote:After seeing the fights last night i was less than impressed with the matchups. Except a couple of fights

Bryant looked good in his fight, He looked a little rusty in the first round but was far to good for his opponent, I think he needs to move to Sydney or Melbourne as he is not going to get any attention over here and his win over Tongia will just fade away as Tongia gets more and more exposure.
I was impressed with Kickett he has quick hands and seems to be a real talent.
Dawsons opponent had no chance and was easily beaten.

The heavyweight fight was good but i was rather tanked by then so i cant say i remember to much detail.
Although most of the fights were mismatches it was a good night and i did manage to get a few mates down there.
I'm glad it was a good night out but when every fight finishes well within the distance its testament to the fact that the match making was very poor. I know there are blokes out there who love a knockout and that is all well and good but I always think its better to have an evenly contested match up where the sweet science is on dislapy in all its glory!

Yeah it was a good night but your right it gets a bit much when every fight finishes within a few rounds, If you want to see 2 minute fights you might as well go to the pub

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 26 Mar 2007, 02:31

Ben Keilty wrote: If you want to see 2 minute fights you might as well go to the pub

I've seen a few of those in my time!

R_jay · Post by **R_jay** » 26 Mar 2007, 05:19

The quality of the fights was beyond terrible. Every single opponent there could'nt fight their way out of a paper bag. There was only 1 guy that get a semi-pass was Mark De Mori's opponent who had a bit of power and experience (but of course quit at the earliest available opportunity when he saw the writing on the wall). Not only were the opponents of the poorest quality, they were all ridiculously undersize. Shit, is it too hard to get a guy who's going to put in a decent effort and is actually in the weight class? Apparently so. Shame to those who organised the card, you suck. The only reason I went is because a friend was fighting, and unless he's performing again I won't be in attendance, it sends the message that its ok to endanger the lives of Indo and Thai novices.

If nothing else William Kickett looked sharp, even though the guy he was fighting was at most a fat flyweight. He's obviously very talented and looked very sharp, especially with short uppercuts inside. Despite that, the refeering of that fight was a DISGRACE. Brad Vocale, hang your head in shame. Kickett blatantly knocked the guy out while he was down on a knee, but its ok William is the local boy lets just pretend it did'nt happen.

My friend went to go see the card, it was he first ever boxing match and she put it perfectly - "That was shit. I can't beleive you have to pay for that". Needless to say she won't be back, and nor will many other paying customers.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 26 Mar 2007, 06:47

R_jay wrote:The quality of the fights was beyond terrible. Every single opponent there could'nt fight their way out of a paper bag. There was only 1 guy that get a semi-pass was Mark De Mori's opponent who had a bit of power and experience (but of course quit at the earliest available opportunity when he saw the writing on the wall). Not only were the opponents of the poorest quality, they were all ridiculously undersize. Shit, is it too hard to get a guy who's going to put in a decent effort and is actually in the weight class? Apparently so. Shame to those who organised the card, you suck. The only reason I went is because a friend was fighting, and unless he's performing again I won't be in attendance, it sends the message that its ok to endanger the lives of Indo and Thai novices.

If nothing else William Kickett looked sharp, even though the guy he was fighting was at most a fat flyweight. He's obviously very talented and looked very sharp, especially with short uppercuts inside. Despite that, the refeering of that fight was a DISGRACE. Brad Vocale, hang your head in shame. Kickett blatantly knocked the guy out while he was down on a knee, but its ok William is the local boy lets just pretend it did'nt happen.

My friend went to go see the card, it was he first ever boxing match and she put it perfectly - "That was shit. I can't beleive you have to pay for that". Needless to say she won't be back, and nor will many other paying customers.

G'day mate, welcome to the board, I like the name.

Thanks for your write up of the night. I fear it was a scathing but accurate. It must be said that mismatches are plaguing the sport at the moment, especially in Australia. I realise that money may be a factor, it is hard to get good opponents here if you can't pay them, but when is enough enough? You and your friend are the perfect example; there were some great fighters on display last night. There was a chance for boxing to make a positive impact on you but it was marred by the quality of their opponents. Instead of gaining two more fans they marginalised the sport further. In the long run it would be better to spend a bit of cash to get some decent opposition over here so the sport can gain popularity. With an expanded fan base there would then be an opportunity to increase revenue and get the sport back on track. Instead the powers that be continue to look at the short term and our sport falls further behind...

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 26 Mar 2007, 20:57

R_jay wrote:The quality of the fights was beyond terrible. Every single opponent there could'nt fight their way out of a paper bag. There was only 1 guy that get a semi-pass was Mark De Mori's opponent who had a bit of power and experience (but of course quit at the earliest available opportunity when he saw the writing on the wall). Not only were the opponents of the poorest quality, they were all ridiculously undersize. Shit, is it too hard to get a guy who's going to put in a decent effort and is actually in the weight class? Apparently so. Shame to those who organised the card, you suck. The only reason I went is because a friend was fighting, and unless he's performing again I won't be in attendance, it sends the message that its ok to endanger the lives of Indo and Thai novices.

If nothing else William Kickett looked sharp, even though the guy he was fighting was at most a fat flyweight. He's obviously very talented and looked very sharp, especially with short uppercuts inside. Despite that, the refeering of that fight was a DISGRACE. Brad Vocale, hang your head in shame. Kickett blatantly knocked the guy out while he was down on a knee, but its ok William is the local boy lets just pretend it did'nt happen.

My friend went to go see the card, it was he first ever boxing match and she put it perfectly - "That was shit. I can't beleive you have to pay for that". Needless to say she won't be back, and nor will many other paying customers.

I see were your coming from, I said it in a nicer way than you did but it was a night of mismatch after mismatch and it got fairly predictable.

R_jay · Post by **R_jay** » 26 Mar 2007, 21:02

I've been a hardcore fan for years and years, and I can tell you right now if you can't get a guy like me to go watch fights you have a problem.

Here's the problem: the promoters say they don't have enough money and they can only afford scrubs, so they bring those guys out who take dives in the first, leaving the crowd pissed. The paying customers won't come back, leaving less money available and even worse fighters. Its a cycle that goes around and around. At some stage someone needs to step up and promote a loss-leader where the fight is actually decent and people will come back to watch.

Thats only half the story though. The opponents at Perth were half the freakin' size of the local guys! Now THAT is bullshit. I doubt there is a large purse difference between a Thai bantamweigh who can't fight and a Thai featherweight who can't fight. There is no excuse for that type of matchmaking. The Thai guy can't fight his way out of a paper bag anyway, so why the hell does he need to be 2 divisions smaller than his opponent! What did any of those Perth guys learn in there? How did that blown-up Thai junior welter help prepare Dawson for a shot at WBO titleholder Sergeii Dzindziruk? It was a waste of time for all concerned. If you're gonna get guys that can't fight, at least make them the same size or even bigger so the house fighter has to work a bit, which is beneficial for all concerned.

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 27 Mar 2007, 06:19

R_jay wrote:I've been a hardcore fan for years and years, and I can tell you right now if you can't get a guy like me to go watch fights you have a problem.

Here's the problem: the promoters say they don't have enough money and they can only afford scrubs, so they bring those guys out who take dives in the first, leaving the crowd pissed. The paying customers won't come back, leaving less money available and even worse fighters. Its a cycle that goes around and around. At some stage someone needs to step up and promote a loss-leader where the fight is actually decent and people will come back to watch.

Thats only half the story though. The opponents at Perth were half the freakin' size of the local guys! Now THAT is bullshit. I doubt there is a large purse difference between a Thai bantamweigh who can't fight and a Thai featherweight who can't fight. There is no excuse for that type of matchmaking. The Thai guy can't fight his way out of a paper bag anyway, so why the hell does he need to be 2 divisions smaller than his opponent! What did any of those Perth guys learn in there? How did that blown-up Thai junior welter help prepare Dawson for a shot at WBO titleholder Sergeii Dzindziruk? It was a waste of time for all concerned. If you're gonna get guys that can't fight, at least make them the same size or even bigger so the house fighter has to work a bit, which is beneficial for all concerned.

I couldn't agree more, Dawsons opponent looked like a lightweight compared to Daniel who isn't exactly huge for his weight division.

dominator · Post by **dominator** » 12 Apr 2007, 03:04

hi guys mark de mori here, i understand the frustration with the fight night, some match ups seemed ok on paper, eg- bryants opponent,devannas,mine and the first few unknown guys, but we got a little shafted with some of the opponents they sent,not exactly the ones we asked for, my opponent had one 4 with meehan so we expected him to be decent which he was until he quit.

we tried to put on a decent fight night but it didnt work because of mismtches, its a lot of work and to have it go off without a bang was dissapointing

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 12 Apr 2007, 03:51

dominator wrote:hi guys mark de mori here, i understand the frustration with the fight night, some match ups seemed ok on paper, eg- bryants opponent,devannas,mine and the first few unknown guys, but we got a little shafted with some of the opponents they sent,not exactly the ones we asked for, my opponent had one 4 with meehan so we expected him to be decent which he was until he quit.

we tried to put on a decent fight night but it didnt work because of mismtches, its a lot of work and to have it go off without a bang was dissapointing

The night was good there were a few mismatches but your fight was good, I thought you looked good until the fight finished.