JOE LOUIS DEFENDED HIS TITLE TWICE AGAINST WHICH FIGHTERS ?

[granberry]

Joe Louis defended his heavyweight title TWICE against

Arturo Godoy

Billy Conn

Buddy Baer

Abe Simon

Jersey Joe Walcott

Did I leave anyone out?

Louis fought Bob Pastor twice, but only the 2nd fight was a title fight.

Louis fought Max Schmeling twice, but only the 2nd fight was a title fight.

WHAT ARE SOME OTHER EXAMPLES in the history of boxing where two fighters fought each other TWICE for the same title?

[KOJOE90]

WHAT ARE SOME OTHER EXAMPLES in the history of boxing where two fighters fought each other TWICE for the same title?

Barney Ross vs Tony Canzoneri.
Henry Armstrong vs Lou Ambers.
Fritzie Zivic vs Henry Armstrong.
Aaron Pryor vs Alexis Arguello.
Bob Foster vs Pierre Fourie.
Dick Tiger vs Jose Torres.
Joey Giardello vs Dick Tiger.
Dwight Muhammad Qawi vs Matthew Saad Muhammad.
Matthew Saad Muhammad vs John Conteh.
Eder Jofre vs Fighting Harada.

[granberry]

WHAT ARE SOME OTHER EXAMPLES in the history of boxing where two fighters fought each other TWICE for the same title?

Barney Ross vs Tony Canzoneri.
Henry Armstrong vs Lou Ambers.
Fritzie Zivic vs Henry Armstrong.
Aaron Pryor vs Alexis Arguello.
Bob Foster vs Pierre Fourie.
Dick Tiger vs Jose Torres.
Joey Giardello vs Dick Tiger.
Dwight Muhammad Qawi vs Matthew Saad Muhammad.
Matthew Saad Muhammad vs John Conteh.
Eder Jofre vs Fighting Harada.

Good ones.

How about



Jim Jeffries-Bob Fitzsimmons

Jim Jeffries-Jim Corbett

Terry McGovern-Young Corbett

Joe Gans-Jimmy Britt

Benny Leonard-Lew Tendler

Harry Greb-Tigers Flowers

Mickey Walker-Ace Hudkins

Gene Tunney-Jack Dempsey

Marciano-Joe Walcott

Marciano-Ezzard Charles

One scheduled second fight that never took place was Marcel Cerdan vs. Jake LaMotta.

[Woller]

Don´t forget Floyd Patterson v Ingemar Johansson
3 times.

Søren

[KOJOE90]

One scheduled second fight that never took place was Marcel Cerdan vs. Jake LaMotta.

I've always liked Cerdan a lot, he was one real tough, gutsy fighter and one of the best fighters to ever come out of Europe. I feel he is at times somewhat forgotten, maybe because his brief title reign was squeezed between the exciting Zale/Graziano and LaMotta/Robinson eras? Just a thought.

Anyone who beats the likes of Holman Williams and crushes two of the UK's finest of that era in Bert Gilroy and Dick Turpin has to be respected. Zale may have been past his best by the time Cerdan beat him but it is still a respectable result in my eyes anyway. His performance against LaMotta also showns what a tough fighter he was.

He was taken from us too soon a great loss to his family and country of course, but also a lose to Boxing.

If the rematch with LaMotta had of taken place who knows what would have really happened, but I have no doubt that the idol of France would have made The Bronx Bull earn his money.

[granberry]

One scheduled second fight that never took place was Marcel Cerdan vs. Jake LaMotta.

I've always liked Cerdan a lot, he was one real tough, gutsy fighter and one of the best fighters to ever come out of Europe. I feel he is at times somewhat forgotten, maybe because his brief title reign was squeezed between the exciting Zale/Graziano and LaMotta/Robinson eras? Just a thought.

Anyone who beats the likes of Holman Williams and crushes two of the UK's finest of that era in Bert Gilroy and Dick Turpin has to be respected. Zale may have been past his best by the time Cerdan beat him but it is still a respectable result in my eyes anyway. His performance against LaMotta also showns what a tough fighter he was.

He was taken from us too soon a great loss to his family and country of course, but also a lose to Boxing.

If the rematch with LaMotta had of taken place who knows what would have really happened, but I have no doubt that the idol of France would have made The Bronx Bull earn his money.

"one of the best fighters to ever come out of Europe."

Of Course.

The older mob people in New York swear by Cerdan.

They say Sugar Ray Robinson would never have been middleweight champion if Cerdan hadn't been killed in that plane crash.

[granberry]

Gene Fullmer-Carmen Basilio

Jose Beccera-Alphonse Halimi

Carmen Basilio-Tony DeMarco

Carmen Basilio-Ray Robinson

(Basilio-Johnny Saxton was three title fights)

Emile Griffith--Joey Archer

Jose Napoles-Billy Backus

Jose Napoles-Hedgemon Lewis

Jose Napoles-Armando Muniz

Jose Napoles-Curtis Cokes

Paul Pender-Ray Robinson

Joe Brown-Bud Smith

Joe Brown-Dave Charnley

Virgil Akins-Don Jordan

Carlos Ortiz-Flash Elorde

Carlos Ortiz-Ismael Laguna

Carlos Ortiz-Sugar Ramos

[Thunder and Lightning]

Evander Holyfield - Lennox Lewis
Evander Holyfield - Riddick Bowe
Michael Spinks - Larry Holmes
Lennox Lewis - Hasim Rahman
Muhammed Ali - Sonny Liston

[dr_devious]

One scheduled second fight that never took place was Marcel Cerdan vs. Jake LaMotta.

I've always liked Cerdan a lot, he was one real tough, gutsy fighter and one of the best fighters to ever come out of Europe. I feel he is at times somewhat forgotten, maybe because his brief title reign was squeezed between the exciting Zale/Graziano and LaMotta/Robinson eras? Just a thought.

Anyone who beats the likes of Holman Williams and crushes two of the UK's finest of that era in Bert Gilroy and Dick Turpin has to be respected. Zale may have been past his best by the time Cerdan beat him but it is still a respectable result in my eyes anyway. His performance against LaMotta also showns what a tough fighter he was.

He was taken from us too soon a great loss to his family and country of course, but also a lose to Boxing.

If the rematch with LaMotta had of taken place who knows what would have really happened, but I have no doubt that the idol of France would have made The Bronx Bull earn his money.

"one of the best fighters to ever come out of Europe."

Of Course.

The older mob people in New York swear by Cerdan.

They say Sugar Ray Robinson would never have been middleweight champion if Cerdan hadn't been killed in that plane crash.

Marcel Cerdan was one of the best fighters to come out of Europe, the best European fighter of his generation and the finest European middleweight ever.

[granberry]

Other second fights that NEVER WERE:

Ali never gave Jimmy Young a return fight.

Or Doug Jones (their first fight was not a title fight).

Larry Holmes never gave a return fight to

Mike Weaver

Reynaldo Snipes

Tim Witherspoon

Carl Williams

[KOJOE90]

Liston-Patterson is remarkable for the closeness of the result, right down to a few seconds.

Although in action time Patterson lasted longer in fight one.

I always found it quite remarkable/admirable that Floyd Patterson was able to come back from those two crushing defeats from Sonny Liston and continue to compete at the highest level. When you think that many felt Patteron lacked confindence in himself it's even more remarable.

How many Champions have comeback from two consectutive crushing first round KO's and go on to beat many a top fighter and almost win a version of the title back? I can't think of one of hand.

Patterson was a rematkable fighter and complex man in someways.

[granberry]

Carmen Basilio KO'd Tony DeMarco in

in 1:52 of the 12th round in their first title fight.

in 1:54 of the 12th round in their second title fight.

[granberry]

I always found it quite remarkable/admirable that Floyd Patterson was able to come back from those two crushing defeats from Sonny Liston and continue to compete at the highest level. When you think that many felt Patteron lacked confindence in himself it's even more remarable.

How many Champions have comeback from two consectutive crushing first round KO's and go on to beat many a top fighter and almost win a version of the title back? I can't think of one of hand.

Patterson was a rematkable fighter and complex man in someways.

The Liston that Patterson fought was one of the best heavyweights ever to get into a ring.

Patterson was no bum, and Liston's feat of KOing him TWICE IN A ROW in the first round is remarkable.

The first Liston fight was the first time Patterson had ever been down for a count of ten.

In their second fight, Liston repeated the ten count win in one round.

That is one of the more remarkable feats in the history of heavyweight boxing.

Patterson was never down for a count of ten in any other fights he had.

Patterson said that Liston was by far the heaviest hitter he ever faced (as did Zora Folley).

Take a look at the powerful right hand Patterson lands right on the button after the first knockdown in his second fight with Liston.

Liston had no reaction other than to hit Patterson and knock him down again.

Patterson also said repeatedly that he did not believe the Ali "knockout" of Liston was legitimate, since he had fought both fighters twice and knew well Liston's capabilities and knew from the experience of two fights with Ali that Ali was not a puncher.

Henry Cooper said that the Patterson he fought (long after Patterson's best years) had faster hands and hit harder than the Ali he fought.
Patterson knocked Cooper out for a count of ten, while Ali, in his two fights with Cooper, never scored a knockdown against Cooper.

Patterson's development as a fighter was messed up by circumstances when he won the heavyweight title too soon--in order to take advantage of the opportunity left by Marciano's retirement.

He was terrific in his KO of Archie Moore to win the vacant title and then in his first defense, against Hurricane Jackson.

From there he stop developing as his manager, Cus D'Amato, refused to let him fight his top contenders (Machen and Folley).

That was a crime against Machen and Folley.

Patterson fought better in the second Johanssen fight than he had for a while since winning the title.

Patterson's pet punch, a left hook thrown as he rose from a crouch, was unique in the history of boxing. He got tremendous power into it.

That is the punch he floored Moore with from out of nowhere.

That is also the punch he knocked Johanssen down with in their 2nd fight.

With his sore back, it was nowhere to be seen in his title fight with Ali.

The only other fighter I have ever seen who threw the same rising from a crouch left hook that Patterson at his best did was Teo Cruz when he knocked down Carlos Ortiz during the fight where Cruz won the lightweight title from Ortiz.

Gene Tunney gave Patterson as an example of a fighter who won a title too soon in his career,

which resulted in his failing to develop as a fighter as he would have otherwise.

That was in a RING magazine interview shortly before Tunney died.

[kovit]

Larry Holmes never gave a return fight to

Mike Weaver

Holmes did gave a return fight to Mike Weaver for the Legends Heavyweight title when Holmes was in his early 50s while Weaver was 48 years old in 2000.

[KOJOE90]

Larry Holmes never gave a return fight to

Mike Weaver

Holmes did gave a return fight to Mike Weaver for the Legends Heavyweight title when Holmes was in his early 50s while Weaver was 48 years old in 2000.

I think I am right in saying that that rematch holds the record for the longest period of time between two fighter facing each other (in a rematch).

[BoxBuzz]

Larry Holmes never gave a return fight to

Mike Weaver

Kovit right you are....we should be hearing from granberry about this agregious error very soon. Thankfully Kovit is one contributor who pays close attention to detail when posting and is not swayed from stating actual facts on the basis of powerful personal passions and diversionary dramas.

[Friedie]

WHAT ARE SOME OTHER EXAMPLES in the history of boxing where two fighters fought each other TWICE for the same title?

Schmeling vs Sharkey...1930 and 1932

[el tigre del sur]

I've always liked Cerdan a lot, he was one real tough, gutsy fighter and one of the best fighters to ever come out of Europe. I feel he is at times somewhat forgotten, maybe because his brief title reign was squeezed between the exciting Zale/Graziano and LaMotta/Robinson eras? Just a thought.

Anyone who beats the likes of Holman Williams and crushes two of the UK's finest of that era in Bert Gilroy and Dick Turpin has to be respected. Zale may have been past his best by the time Cerdan beat him but it is still a respectable result in my eyes anyway. His performance against LaMotta also showns what a tough fighter he was.

He was taken from us too soon a great loss to his family and country of course, but also a lose to Boxing.

If the rematch with LaMotta had of taken place who knows what would have really happened, but I have no doubt that the idol of France would have made The Bronx Bull earn his money.

Good post.

I don't think there's too much on tape of Cerdan (h/l mostly) but you've whetted my appetite so I'll be sure to hunt for some footage of his fights against Zale & LaMotta at least.

[jimglen]

Cerdan is somewhat forgotten and over shadowed a bit by Zale & Jake LaMotta, and because of this we forget too, Cerdan was also just past his best when he fought Tony Zale the two had been fighting near enough the same length of time and weren't much different in age and Marcel 'clobbered' Zale.

LaMotta beat a 'wounded' Cerdan (1st round) and Marcel bravely competed well for 8 rounds before the injury was just too much...all things equal Jake gets beat as everybody else does.

but most of all remember Cerdan too was at the end of his career and not much younger than Zale, 2 yrs I think.

[granberry]

Larry Holmes never gave a return fight to

Mike Weaver

Kovit right you are....we should be hearing from granberry about this agregious error very soon. Thankfully Kovit is one contributor who pays close attention to detail when posting and is not swayed from stating actual facts on the basis of powerful personal passions and diversionary dramas.

Buzz,

Mike Weaver beat the hell out of Larry Holmes.

Holmes himself admitted it in the interview after the fight.

Don King's referee called a knockdown of Holmes by Weaver a "slip."

The same referee stopped the fight in Holmes' favor in a disputed ending.

Holmes never gave Weaver a return fight for the title.

Whether you like it or not.

LOL

[granberry]

I don't think there's too much on tape of Cerdan (h/l mostly)

There are numerous films of Cerdan fighting European fighters.

At welterweight and middleweight.

[granberry]

WHAT ARE SOME OTHER EXAMPLES in the history of boxing where two fighters fought each other TWICE for the same title?

Schmeling vs Sharkey...1930 and 1932

Good one.

[JC]

Jack Britton and Ted Kid Lewis might have the record.

[m1kee50]

wasnt mcall vs Lewis (or Lewis - Mcall) for the title both times? im not going to cheat and look it up lol. DLH vs JCC? were they both title fights?

granberry u do know ur stuff, dont you? people keep poking u thru the bars is the only problem....

and before u even think of starting im taking a day off from spelling checker (and manners to the way the day is going)

j/k mate have a good one

[granberry]

wasnt mcall vs Lewis (or Lewis - Mcall) for the title both times? im not going to cheat and look it up lol. DLH vs JCC? were they both title fights?

granberry u do know ur stuff, dont you? people keep poking u thru the bars is the only problem....

and before u even think of starting im taking a day off from spelling checker (and manners to the way the day is going)

j/k mate have a good one

First fight was for the WBC hvywt title

Second fight was for the vacant WBC hvywt title