The Most Controversial Decisions in Boxing History

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The Most Controversial Decisions in Boxing History

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#1- Marvelous Marvin Hagler vs Sugar Ray Leonard

Still after 20+ years the super fight with Leonard keeps getting closer and closer, and the more and more, it does appear Hagler was short handed in a fight that was totally tailor made to Leonard's benefit (bigger gloves, 12 rounds, Las Vegas judges). Leonard ran the majority of the time and his last second flurries supposedly were enough to beat the #4 RING ranked middleweight champion in history. Whatever your view on this fight, there is no question, it could have went either way.


#2- Battling Siki vs "Irish" Mike McTigue

Maybe Siki should have waited it out and fought someone else, but he hadn't fought in over six months and he needed the money. On the way to Ireland he reportedly lost so much weight he was practically a middleweight. To make matters worse, when he fought McTigue, it was on Saint Patrick's Day in the Emerald Isle's most famous city (Dublin) and the title challanger was a native of the country. Though sports writers declared that Siki won at least 18 of the 20 rounds, McTigue's hand was the one that was raised.

#3- Evander Holyfield vs Lennox Lewis (1)

Holyfield was the reigning IBF and WBA champion, while Lennox was the WBC champion. It was a given that these two would have to someday meet to determine the true undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. This was the biggest event in the division, and it was between two of the greatest HW's to ever live. But after the last bell rung and it appeared that the 6'5" 245 pound Englishman had won it...it was declared a draw and everybody booed. While not as bad a decision as the previous two, it was deemed a black eye for the sport and a rematch was in order. The next time, Lennox won, and rightfully so.

#4- George Foreman vs Shannon Briggs

Foreman was 48 years old and though no longer the IBF champion, he still was recognised as the lineal champion. He had ducked mandatories such as Tony Tucker, and refused to give the previously unknown Axel Schulz a rematch when that fight was controversial, and had beaten the unheralded Crawford Grimsley and Lou Savarese. Then he was picked to 'defend' against another unknown by the name of Shannon "The Cannon" Briggs. The fight was nothing to scream over, but it did seem that Foreman had the upper hand the entire time...then came the call that Briggs won. Foreman retired and Briggs would later get knocked out by Lennox Lewis in 6 rounds.

#5- Tommy Burns vs "Philadelphia" Jack O'Brien (2)

These two had met before years ago, and Burns won comfortably over the legendary Irishman. Now Burns was the HW champion and O'Brien was the LHW champion. Both men actually weighed under the HW criteria, though it was for Burns HW crown, so the LHW title was also on the line. Not until Ray Leonard would fight Donnie Lalond would there be two different titles from two different divisions on the line. The referee was former undefeated champion Jim Jefferies, who was still recognised by the public as being the 'true' champion. Burns thrashed O'Brien for 20 rounds, but when Jefferies was asked who won, he declared the fight a draw. A highly unsatisfactory affair, which Burns would later avenge in a rubber match with O'Brien.

#6- Muhammad Ali vs Jimmy Young

Ali was passed his prime and had just defeated the likes of Chuck Wepner, Ron Lyle, Joe Frazier, Joe Bugner,Richard Dunne and Jean Pierre Coopman. Young was pagged to be another 'easy' defense for Ali, but come fight night, the target was much more elusive than thought. The fight was rather boring, with Young ducking in between the ropes to avoid Ali's punches---but Young landed the more punches and looked more crisper than the champion. When Ali was announced the winner, the crowd booed.

#7- George Foreman vs Jimmy Young

Young and Foreman hit the list a second time! Yes, it is not controversial at all that Young won, but the scoring is quite controversial. The referee only gave Foreman 2 rounds, with Young getting the other 13. A highly controversial score indeed as Foreman was very much in the fight for the early and middle rounds---Young's surprise knockdown in the 15th certainly over rided anything else in the fight. Foreman retires for ten years only to come back in 1987, while Young would later face Ken Norton...

#8- Ken Norton vs Muhammad Ali (3)

And speaking of Kenny Norton! Both these men had a win against eachother. The first time Norton broke Ali's jaw and won a decision, the second time was close but Ali won the decision. This was Ali on the downside, and Norton was just a few years away from becoming albiet by default the WBC champion of the world...but on the night of September 28th, 1976 Norton appeared to be in control of the fight. SO much, in fact, that his corner told him to take it easy in the last round. Ali manages to rally back in that last round---and the decision is read, that by scores of: 8-6, 8-7, and 8-7 that Muhammad Ali was still the HW champion of the world. It was a decision that would haunt Norton for many years.

#9- Larry Holmes vs Tim Witherspoon

Witherspoon was only 15-0, while Holmes was 42-0 and had already accomplished 16 successful title defenses. Witherspoon was pegged to be just another notch on Holmes belt, that he wouldn't stand a chance. But what's this? Witherspoon not only goes the distance but gives Holmes so much hell that even afterwards Holmes said that Witherspoon was one of his toughest opponents ever. The scores? 115-113, 118-111, and 115-114 for Larry Holmes. A very controversial affair.

#10- Joe Louis vs Jersey Joe Walcott

Joe Louis had racked up another two defenses to make it an official 23 (that is if you dont count the Johnny Davis farce) after coming back from the war. He was visbly not as fast and not as great in his prime, but he was still Joe Louis and he had knocked out Billy Conn and Tami Maurellio all in 9 rounds combined. His next defense wasn't to pose any trouble for him. But that's exactly what the part time garbage man Jersey Joe Walcott did. For 15 rounds Louis got the boxing lesson of a life time, not since Schmeling had he been this humiliated. he was dropped twice in the 1st and 4th rounds, and he knew he lost. You could see it in his eyes, and then..."The winner and still Heavyweight champion of the world, Joe Louis!" Being the man of class that he was, he gave Walcott an automatic return, and again was losing the fight and was even dropped for a no-count in the 3rd round...but he landed his legendary combos in the 11th and Walcott was out. Louis would retire, only to comeback, and Walcott would eventually win the title at the age of 37.


Come on pplz! Name some more :wink:
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Post by Seamus »

Whitaker v Chavez.
Tiberi v Toney
Coetzee v Snipes
Qawi v Ocasio

All highway robbery ! And in regards to the fights listed. I thought Leonard clearly beat Hagler and Holmes clearly beat Witherspoon.
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Seamus wrote: Holmes clearly beat Witherspoon.
Interesting. I really felt Witherspoon won. Why did you feel Holmes won? Just curious.

Schmeling-Sharkey II... bad decision
Leonard-Hearns II... clear robbery
Lewis-Holyfield... same
Whitaker-Luis Ramirez... same
De La Hoya-Whitaker... close, but it seems most people thought Whitaker won
De La hoya-Quartey... close, but disputed
De La Hoya-Trinidad... same
De La Hoya-Sturm... BS decision
Holmes-Spinks II... same, though I've seen a couple of people who thought Spinks won
Hopkins-Taylor I-II... close decisions, but still controversial
Wright-Taylor... same


Some of these are close, but they're all disputed and they're all important championship fights.

I've read this, though I've never seen the first fight and have only seen two or three rounds of the fourth fight, that Walcott should have won the first fight against Charles and Charles should have won the fourth fight against Walcott. Not sure if this is true or not, was wondering if anyone can confirm.

I think Ali's weight against Young is always important to mention. Heaviest in his career to that point, and would be until he met Berbick.
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Witherspoon had the best round of the fight when I believe he hit Holmes with 9 unanswered shots to the head in the 9th, and then showboated a bit in the 10th. Still Holmes won 7 rounds on my card, and I think I had at least one even. On the other hand I thought Carl "The Truth" Williams clearly beat Holmes.

I also thought Leonard edged Hearns in the 2nd fight. Everyone talks about the knockdowns Hearns scored in the 3rd and 11th, but ignores the beating Leonard gave Tommy in the 5th and 12th. Alot of people believe Leonard always got the breaks from the referees, but Hearns didn't even get a caution for excessive holding in the final round when Leonard had him hurt.
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Willie Ritchie-Freddie Welsh (title fight in England--Referee Eugene Corri gave Welsh Ritchie's title)

Of course I realize no one here has heard of either one of them

Packey McFarland--Freddie Welsh (in England)

George Carpentier-Gunboat Smith (Referee Eugene Corri giving the win on a foul to Carpentier)

Foster-Ahumada

Johnson-Pastrano

Ali-Young (the absolute worst)

Eddie Cotton-Jose Torres (one of the very worst)

Jeff Fenech-Azumah Nelson I (draw decision was a joke, Fenech won)

Patterson-Jimmy Ellis (Angelo Dundee's stooge referee Harold Valan gave the sole decision)

I have heard both Ray Robinson-Marty Servo fights could have gone to Servo.

Ray Robinson-Rocky Castellani

Ray Robinson-Holly Mims

Hurricane Carter-Holly Mims

Giardello-Holly Mims

Henry Armstrong-Ceferino Garcia (middleweight title fight)

Leonard-Hagler

Leonard-Hearns II

Leonard-Kevin Howard (stoppage)

Doug Jones-Ali

Norton -Ali II III

Lyle-Ali (stoppage)

Bazooka Limon-Arguello (stoppage)

Emile Griffith-Monzon I (stoppage)

Fritzie Zivic-Red Cochrane (title fight)
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Post by Seamus »

Packey McFarland is one of my alltime favorites. I photographed his mansion in Joliet. And yes I knew he was robbed in his third fight with Freddie Welsh. He also finished stronger in their second bout, but to my understanding a draw was a fair result.
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Floyd Patterson vs Jimmy Ellis (WBA HW title)

complete and total highway robbery in where Patterson was cheated out of becoming the first 3x HW champion in history.

Henry Armstrong-Ceferino Garcia (middleweight title fight)
Was originally pre-agreed upon that if there was no knockdowns in the fight, that it would be automatically declared a draw. Unfortunately for Armstrong he was beating Garcia round by round and wasn't able to knock him down. Had he won the fight (which he should have) it would have meant that Armstrong would have been a four division title holder: middleweight, welterweight, lightweight and featherweight. A feat that surely trumps or matches the great Sugar Ray Robinson's accomplishments.
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Seamus wrote:Witherspoon had the best round of the fight when I believe he hit Holmes with 9 unanswered shots to the head in the 9th, and then showboated a bit in the 10th. Still Holmes won 7 rounds on my card, and I think I had at least one even. On the other hand I thought Carl "The Truth" Williams clearly beat Holmes.

I also thought Leonard edged Hearns in the 2nd fight. Everyone talks about the knockdowns Hearns scored in the 3rd and 11th, but ignores the beating Leonard gave Tommy in the 5th and 12th. Alot of people believe Leonard always got the breaks from the referees, but Hearns didn't even get a caution for excessive holding in the final round when Leonard had him hurt.
Yeah, I see. I thought both Williams and Witherspoon beat Holmes, but they were close.

I thought Hearns won the rematch, but I agree about Leonard in the 5th and 12th. I think you could argue that if the second fight was a 15 rounder that Leonard could have rallied and won by knock out, as he did the first time. He was coming on in that round like he did in the first fight. You could also say that maybe Hearns wins the first fight if its a 12 rounder. I find that interesting about those two fights, those three rounds made as big a difference there as they did in any other series.

Speaking of Patterson, Patterson-Ellis is also cited as a bad decision.

I could name stoppages a lot worse than Ali-Lyle. If that fight happened today people probably wouldn't even think twice about the stoppage.

I don't like the statement that if Armstrong hypothetically wins a fourth title it trumps Robinson. Robinson came as close as anybody, besides Armstrong, at winning belts in four weight classes prior to the influx of extra weight classes at 140, 154, etc.. Along with winning belts at 147 and 160 he beat the reigning Lightweight champion Sammy Angott in a fight at 136, Angott wanted the fight at 136 because he didn't want to risk losing his title to Ray which he would have if the fight had been at 135, and Robinson lost by an act of God against Maxim for the Light Heavyweight title.
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Hold up a second...

:lol: I made the same F'ing mistake like I did last time...

sorry guys...Patterson never fought Mathis :lol: god, dunno why i keep thinking Mathis and not Ellis

I'll re-edit my post. Again I apologise.

Well, Garcia was hardly the true World Middleweight Champion.
This be true. This be true, but Garcia's 'title' was in the same lines as how Jem Mace was the American champion---his title was legit, but just not the stronger of the two lineages. I look at Garcia, in a sense, as being an alphabet champion, before any such thing existed. But he was a good fighter, nobody comes within world titles no matter how minor, or come into top contendership without being something special in some regard.
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I don't like the statement that if Armstrong hypothetically wins a fourth title it trumps Robinson. Robinson came as close as anybody, besides Armstrong, at winning belts in four weight classes prior to the influx of extra weight classes at 140, 154, etc.. Along with winning belts at 147 and 160 he beat the reigning Lightweight champion Sammy Angott in a fight at 136, Angott wanted the fight at 136 because he didn't want to risk losing his title to Ray which he would have if the fight had been at 135, and Robinson lost by an act of God against Maxim for the Light Heavyweight title.
Still....a loss is a loss, Robinson lost fair and square on his stool against Maxim, he quit dehydration or not. Armstrong on the other hand went the distance with Garcia, but unfortunately had it pre-agreed upon that if there were no knockdowns, it would be a draw. Armstrong would have been a 3 division world champion, and to put it into a more modern perspective a 'alphabet' champion at middleweight.

Plus the Middleweight Robinson wasn't the Welterweight Robinson, who was the better Robinson---not to say the middleweight Robinson wasn't great, but at his best at middleweight he lost to Jake LaMotta who should have been champ years before. The middleweight Robinson was also the same guy who lost to Fullmer, a hard punching man with no skill. Lost it to Carmen basilio, who was just a welterweight. In truth, the middleweight Robinson, didn't have that long of a 'prime'. He lost quite a bit during those years.

Mind you, I am not looking at Robinson's career after his loss to Terry Downes, but before all that, because after Downes it was apparently clear to even the most die hard Robinson fan that Sugar Ray simply had nothing left. From his debut up to 1951, that was the best Robinson as a welterweight, middleweight and beyond---after that Robinson slowly but surely got worse and worse.

Downes was in 1962...so Robinson's decline into nothing took 12 years, and while that is a long time for someone to decline...it wasn't the best Ray Robinson, he was slower, older and was taking longer and longer to get his attack in on his opponents.
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Four points:

I) I didn't say Robinson's loss to Maxim wasn't legit, I said it was as close as you can come to winning without actually doing it. You can't say Armstrong blows Robinson out of the water in titles won when Ray came that close to winning the Light Heavyweight title and would have won under ordinary circumstances. If Armstrong got screwed on the contract he signed, so did Robinson in having to fight Angott at 136. They took the fights regardless, and what happened happened, if you want to look at it that way.

II) Armstrong apparently wasn't as good at Welterweight as he was in lower weights either, to my understanding anyway.

III) Robinson may have had a slow decline at Middleweight, but how does that hurt him in comparison to Armstrong? Robinson was champion into his late 30's, Armstrong never held a title again after the age of 29. Is falling off in your 20's better than longevity into your late 30's, even if you lose and regain your title a couple of times? Armstrong never regained a title, and he lost two of them in the ring... though he lost the Lightweight title controversially due to point deductions. In a perfect world Robinson retires after Basilio II, but he didn't and he had many losses after that point. But so did Armstrong after he lost to Zivic, and Armstrong had more career losses and draws than Robinson did.

IV) I think Robinson is the #1 P4P fighter of all time, and I think Armstrong is #2 P4P. I don't think they are miles apart, either. I just don't think its fair to say that Armstrong would be ahead of Robinson if one controversial draw becomes a win. If you can change that draw, then maybe you can change the fact that Robinson-Angott is at 136, make it at 135, and Robinson becomes Lightweight champion only two years into his pro-career. He wouldn't have held three belts all at once like Armstrong did, but he would have the three belts. Then there's the other question that decagon raised, of whether Garcia was a legit Middleweight champion and whether it was a legit Middleweight title fight.
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Foreman - Schultz
Ottke - Reid
Eubank - Benn II, Close I, Watson I
Toney - Tiberi
Wharton - Castro Smith
Woodhall - Catley
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Marciano v La Starza I, was controversial in it's time. La Starza clearly thought he had the makings of beating Marciano and came close to doing it.

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granberry wrote:Willie Ritchie-Freddie Welsh (title fight in England--Referee Eugene Corri gave Welsh Ritchie's title)

Of course I realize no one here has heard of either one of them(title fight)
Ahh!! Freddie Welsh from the land of my fathers, what a wonderfull Boxer and outstanding defensive fighter The Welsh Wizard was. I seem to recall that Freddie was not from the usual 'dirt poor' background of most fighters but was a very sick child and was sent to the states whilst young hoping the better climate would improve his health (as opposed to the cold damp air of Wales).

It seemed to do the trick. :box:

I have a few of his fights on tape, excellent stuff. Nat Fleischer ranked him as one of the best Lightweights ever. He was without a doubt one of the UK's finest of all time. Althought I would rank Jimmy Wilde and the one and only Jim Driscoll above him, just, and Owen Moran just below him.
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I don't want to turn this into a Robinson debate, but I think I should mention one other point I seemed to have missed yesterday... Fullmer was hardly un-skilled. He was a very good inside fighter. And he showed very impressive skill in his Fight of the Year stoppage of Basilio, where he basically out boxed Basilio. And, as decagon alluded to, you can't call the Robinson who fought LaMotta a Middleweight, he was a Welterweight, and LaMotta had 16 1/2 pounds on Robinson in the fight.

On that note (just to spin this back in the direction of this thread's subject) wasn't one of Robinson's wins over LaMotta disputed? They had a Split Decision in one of those fights, I believe it was the 5th fight.
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There was a dispute in one of their fights, as it was talked about on some level in the film RAGING BULL, in the scene where his brother Joey said:

"He only got the fuckin decision cus he is going into the army next week!"

and Jake says "I knocked him down, iono what else I had to do"
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Well, whether its true or not, Robinson did say LaMotta was his toughest opponent, and it's possible that he did win two of the six encounters over the best Robinson at middleweight---but only got the one, handing Robinson his first loss.
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HomicideHenry wrote:Floyd Patterson vs Jimmy Ellis (WBA HW title)

complete and total highway robbery in where Patterson was cheated out of becoming the first 3x HW champion in history.

Henry Armstrong-Ceferino Garcia (middleweight title fight)
Was originally pre-agreed upon that if there was no knockdowns in the fight, that it would be automatically declared a draw. Unfortunately for Armstrong he was beating Garcia round by round and wasn't able to knock him down. Had he won the fight (which he should have) it would have meant that Armstrong would have been a four division title holder: middleweight, welterweight, lightweight and featherweight. A feat that surely trumps or matches the great Sugar Ray Robinson's accomplishments.
I remember reading about the floyd Patterson fight It must never be forgotten. It WAS the worst decision of all time and Don King was still in jail at the time I believe so we can't blame him
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Oh! Spider Rico against Rocky Balboa was a crock!
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Trevor Berbick vs. Larry Holmes :D (Although I did think it was closer than the judges did. They must've been high.)


Jack Sharkey over Jack Renault in Boston. No film, but I've read ringside reports and conclude that Renault was probably robbed in Sharkey's hometown, and maybe even sidetracked from a shot at the title. There had been talk in the press of Rickard matching Dempsey against the colourful ex-cop, but that died when Renault "lost" to Sharkey.

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I see Holmes-Witherspoon as being a close but clear win for Holmes.

Holmes-Williams, different matter. I can't see better than a draw for Holmes.

How about Toney-Batchleder? hahaha
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Jack Sharkey vs Mickey Walker

Walker, no more than a welterweight, out punches the future HW champion of the world, but only gets a DRAW.
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HomicideHenry wrote:Jack Sharkey vs Mickey Walker

Walker, no more than a welterweight, out punches the future HW champion of the world, but only gets a DRAW.
Hate to get picky, Hank, but Walker was just under 170 according to Boxrec, and he was a helluva' fighter, beating a lot of good heavies. If he'd been larger, he probably would've been a heavyweight champ during the 30s. Not sure who really deserved what in his fight with Sharkey though. Most critics jumped all over the Boston Gob for not beating Walker decisively.

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Yeah, it seems like Sharkey got a few gifts, though there was the Dempsey matter. Schmeling got robbed blind against Sharkey, probably because he was a foreigner. Sometimes its presented like Schmeling was the one to get the break in those fights, because he won the first fight by DQ. But Sharkey got the real break, as most everyone thought Schmeling won the second fight, which was a full 15 rounder and much more consequential.

People always talk about Spinks and Carnera, maybe Sharkey can be called the worst champion ever. At least Spinks legitimately won his title, and at least Carnera had a couple of defenses, and he was the one to beat Sharkey... though some have said it was fixed. Either way, winning the title controversially over Schmeling and then getting KO'd by or throwing a fight to Carnera... not a good title reign.

This whole thing is part of why I feel Schmeling is sometimes underrated. He didn't become champion by accident.
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I Feel Fine wrote:Yeah, it seems like Sharkey got a few gifts, though there was the Dempsey matter. Schmeling got robbed blind against Sharkey, probably because he was a foreigner. Sometimes its presented like Schmeling was the one to get the break in those fights, because he won the first fight by DQ. But Sharkey got the real break, as most everyone thought Schmeling won the second fight, which was a full 15 rounder and much more consequential.

People always talk about Spinks and Carnera, maybe Sharkey can be called the worst champion ever. At least Spinks legitimately won his title, and at least Carnera had a couple of defenses, and he was the one to beat Sharkey... though some have said it was fixed. Either way, winning the title controversially over Schmeling and then getting KO'd by or throwing a fight to Carnera... not a good title reign.

This whole thing is part of why I feel Schmeling is sometimes underrated. He didn't become champion by accident.

For those who think I have never said a good thing about Carnera....here is my chance to once again say. "The fight may have been fixed, but the KO was not phoney".
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