Who do you have higher P4P Wise

JAHamilton77 · Post by **JAHamilton77** » 21 Aug 2007, 00:36

I dont post in the Brit forum much (so forgive me if this has been asked previously), but I am curious about this question purely from a British perspective since they are both from the isle.

Who do you have higher on your p4p list Ricky Hatton or Joe Calzaghe?
Personally I have Hatton higher, but I have seen others with Calzaghe higher and I can see the case for both.

So who is higher Ricky or Joe?

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 21 Aug 2007, 08:34

Ricky - because he has beaten better opponents (Tszyu and Castillo) than anybody on Calzaghe's record. Also, Ricky is a lot younger - I reckon that father time could catch up with Calzaghe pretty much soon. Their next planned fights will be telling

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 21 Aug 2007, 08:36

Easily Hatton, Hatton has foght better opponents over the last few years and moved up to get a belt at a higher weight, Joe had a big win after years and then went back to the same old crap.

chesh · Post by **chesh** » 21 Aug 2007, 12:05

Terry D wrote:In simple terms Hatton has beaten a P4P guy (arguably two based on achievements over the career of Castillo) whereas Joe is yet to do this.

It has been hard on Joe in that fights have not been made but you simply cannot expect Hopkins or Jones (when they were red-hot mind) to come to Wales to fight Joe, his only chances of a P4P scalp went with them despite his clamouring to fight them as soon as one was KO'd and the other rendered title-less.

You reap what you sow, one guy left home to get big fights and is taking on the P4P #1 fighter.

Kessler is good, but world level outstanding? Not yet.

Incidently after re-watching Floyd versus Manfredy, Augustus, Castillo (both) and his first fights it is clear that Floyd himself may be on the downslope of his prime. It could make the Hatton fight that little bit more interesting.

Couldn't have put it better, Terry. I've recently re-watched some old Mayweather fights in my collection (Corrales, Goyo Vargas) and he is clearly no longer the same fighter. Could be age, but more likely the moves up in weight. He is definitely not as fast and doesn't throw the combos he used to.

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 21 Aug 2007, 14:07

Better Question is who is higher - Froch, Enzo or Haye

mattym · Post by **mattym** » 21 Aug 2007, 14:24

Hatton for going further. He is more recognised as a brilliant boxer than Calzaghe is for his ten years, and Calzaghe needs to step up to Hatton's echelon not the other way around. Joe lacks fights against the TRULY elite and yes he looked absolutely spectacular in his punch perfect performance against Lacy but to be above Hatton who i believe is borderline top 5 pound for pound - you need career defining fights against more than an overhyped yank who was their latest pathetic attempt.

However after the Calzaghe fight if Calzaghe wins i think he should go above Hatton, but then i think that'll all change AGAIN a month later.....

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 21 Aug 2007, 17:30

Joe, two wins doesn't put him higher than 20 defences Including unification.

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 22 Aug 2007, 05:29

I'm surprised you feel that way Max!

Traveling abroad, stepping up a division to find fights, taking on and beating the number 1 in the division. Ricky has to be ahead of Calzaghe.
Not to mention the light-welterweight division has been a lot stronger than supermiddle over recent years.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 22 Aug 2007, 05:36

Definitely Hatton.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 22 Aug 2007, 05:57

Personally I don't think there's much in it.

Whilst Ricky has two big wins, aside from that, his resume is piss poor. Tackie win was creditable, but Phillips wasn't exactly a spring chicken, nor in proper fighting shape.

Calzaghe lacks the big peaks, with only Eubank and Lacy at opposite ends of his career, but there's a bit more meat in the Sandwich, with wins over Mitchell, Brewer, Reid, Woodhall, etc.

I think it's paper thin between the two, and I don't believe you can rate Ricky higher merely for going abroad.

It's longevity against big fights, and I would have Hatton maybe just ahead.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 22 Aug 2007, 06:07

Calazage, very dominant for a long time. If Ricky beats Mayweather then obviously Ricky although I think Calazage is the more talented. Lacy and Eubank may not have been as established P4P as Tyszu/Castillo but they were equally as tough tasks at the weight. People forget now allot of people had Lacy as a top P4P fighter, I saw him getting ranked as high as 7 on P4P lists.

The fact Tyszu and Castillo were both old also downgrades them allot for me. Especially Castillo who I had losing against a novice in his last fight

If Ricky beats Mayweather though Calazage gets put in the shade. If Calazage beats Kessler and Hatton loses, Calazage is a level above. And if they both lose no one will really care.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 22 Aug 2007, 06:15

Terry D wrote: Incidently after re-watching Floyd versus Manfredy, Augustus, Castillo (both) and his first fights it is clear that Floyd himself may be on the downslope of his prime. It could make the Hatton fight that little bit more interesting.

On watching Floyd against Delahoya I actually thought his handspeed looked SLOW.

However Floyd not throwing combinations in his last 2 fights I think is by choice not by limitation. He doesn't want to risk exchanging with much bigger men (Floyds a natural lightweight after all) so he only throws 1 shot at a time and is very defensive. He was a fnatastic offensive fighter at 130, but no 130lb fighter in history can be an effective offensive fighter at 147lbs/154lbs

I think Floyds become a master of doing enough and doesn't do more than enough if theres risk involved.

Mayweather has better defense and technical skill than when he was younger BUT his speed of both hand and foot has declined allot. He hasn't really added the weight to his frame properly imo. Mayweather is stronger and a harder puncher than when he was younger. So in some ways hes better and worse in other ways.

THEBUTCH · Post by **THEBUTCH** » 22 Aug 2007, 06:35

Hatton is some way in front. Calzaghe has only ever beaten a few decent super middles. Hatton has done this and also beaten recognised P4P boxers.

Getting the job done abroad does add weight to the argument and Hatton again rules over Joe in this area.

Anything you might level at Hatton as a negative, will easily apply to Joe too, only more so.

Whatever the result of Hatton-Mayweather, this is another department where Ricky beats Calzaghe, because at the very least he's mixing it up with the P4P no 1. Joe missed his opportunity, for whatever reason, and will never make up this lost ground.

Yeah, Hatton has done everything Calzaghe has and much more besides. Hatton's the top dog.

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