Officially Welcome Harry!
This may be something for you. The Ring mag. ran a serie on historical hwgt contenders from different decades. Part one (The Ring, June 78) is about the "Tex Richard era", icluding a portrait on Jack Renault, Canada.
According to the author, Herbert G. Goldman, Renault boxed his LAST bout on December, 21, 1931, a ko loss to Joe Crawford.
BoxRec archive has two Jack Renault hwgt records, one including the bout mentioned above. However, that record continues with three other bouts; a ko loss to Nathan Mann in 1935 and two early ko losses to John Andersson in 1936. (There's also a lightweight Jack Renault).
My query; Could it have been another Jack Renault, boxing in the 30's, as the canadian Renault probably retired in 1931?
Best wishes!
:)
Harry-Canadian hwgt cont. Jack Renault
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It's a different Jack Renault. I think "Tiger" Jack Renault out of New Jersey (I think). This is the most recent record that I have for the Canadian Jack Renault:
Jack Renault
Born: January 18, 1898, Chashem, Quebec, Canada
Died: 1967, Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada
Height: 6'1"
Managers: Jack Wrenn, Jimmy Johnston; Leo P. Flynn
Pro Record: 83-21-2 (43 kayos), 5 ND, 2 NC
1919
Aug 10 Arthur Pelky Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada D 10 RC
--Canadian Heavyweight Title.
Dec 1 Tom Cowler Boston, Ma LF 3 --
--- Spikey Sullivan --- KO 3 --
--- Ropey Knight --- KO 2 --
--- Peter Davis --- KO 4 --
--- Ken Jackson --- KO 7 --
--- Jack Rooney --- KO 3 --
1920
Feb 16 Dan "Porky" Flynn Boston, Ma L 12 --
Mar 26 Jack Johnson Houston, TX W 12 PR
May 5 Battling Levinsky Lewiston, ME ND L 12 PR
Sep Dan "Porky" Flynn Boston, ME W 12 RC
Nov 11 Silas Green Montreal, Quebec, Canada KO 2 RC
Nov 25 Johnny Howard Montreal, Quebec, Canada W 10 RC
--- Young Sampson --- KO 3 --
--- Carl Armstrong --- KO 10 --
--- Jack Donovan --- KO 2 --
--- Carl Armstrong --- KO 3 --
--- Battling McCreary --- ND -- 12 --
--- Soldier Jones --- W 9 --
--- Young Jack Thompson --- W 12 --
--- Cleve Hawkins --- W 12 --
--- Jack Savage --- W 12 --
1921
Mar 16 Harry Greb Pittsburgh, PA ND L 10 PR
Mar 21 Ted Jamieson Boston, MA W 10 PR
Apr 6 Harry Greb Montreal, Quebec, Canada L 10 IBRO
May 23 Frankie Britton Trenton, NJ KO 1 PR
Jun 28 Ted Jamieson Grand Rapids, MI LDQ 3 IBRO
Jul 2 Billy Miske Jersey City, NJ ND -- 10 --
Dec 5 Jack McFadden Atlantic City, NJ KO 4 PR
Dec 22 Al Reich New York, NY (Madison Square Garden) W 8 IBRO
1922
Jan 6 Sgt. Ray Smith Philadelphia, PA (Cambria AC) ND W 8 PR
Jan 28 Billy Miske Brooklyn, NY (Rink AC) LK 13 PR
Jul 18 Jack Dempsey Montreal, Quebec, Canada EX -- 3 --
Jul 19 Jack Dempsey Ottawa, Canada EX -- 3 --
Nov 2 Silent Puryear New York KO 8 --
Nov 6 Jack Hyatt Trenton, NJ KO 2 PR
1923
Jan 12 Jack McCann New York, NY KO 5 IDS
Jan 29 Gene Tunney Philadelphia, PA NC 4 CT
Mar 9 George Godfrey New York, NY (Pioneer AC) KO 11 PR
Apr 2 Jack Burke (Marty Burke?) Pittsburgh, PA NC 9 PR
--Fighters were stalling.
May 12 Fred Fulton Bronx, NY (Yankee Stadium) WF 4 IDS
--1st fight card at Yankee Stadium.
May 22 Joe Lohman Long Island, NY (Queensboro Stadium) KO 6 PR
Jun 28 Ted Jamieson Grand Rapids, MI LF 3 PR
Aug 5 Antolin Fierro Havana, Cuba KO 2 --
Sep 20 “Tiny” Jim Herman Omaha, NE KO 7 --
Sep 28 Joe Downey Aurora, IL (1:18) KO 2 IDS
--IDS states that this was Renault’s tenth straight knockout.
Oct 1 Fred Fulton Boston, MA (Arena) KO 9 PR
Oct 10 Soldier Jones Montreal, Canada W 10 PR
--For Canadian Heavyweight Title.
Nov 2 Floyd Johnson New York, NY (Madison Square Garden) KO 15 PR
Dec 10 Tom Cowler Rochester, NY KO 4 --
1924
Jan 9 Joe White Montreal, Quebec, Canada W 10 CT
Jan 15 Al Benedict Quebec City, Canada KO 1 CT
Jan 23 Tom Roper Providence, RI KO 2 CT
Feb 4 Digger Brown Detroit, MI KO 2 --
Feb 11 Bob Devine Muskegon, SCH.
Mar 7 Cliff Kramer Minneapolis, MN KO 4 CT
Mar 21 Bob Roper Grand Rapids, MI ND W 10 CT
May 14 Joe White Providence, RI KO 7 PR
Jun 8 “Wild” Bill Reed Dayton, OH KO 6 --
Jun 27 Jack Burke Toledo, OH KO 1 CT
Jul 25 “Italian” Joe Herman Providence, RI KO 1 PG
Aug 11 Bartley Madden Brooklyn, NY (Queensboro Stadium) W 15 CT
Aug 25 Homer Smith Buffalo, NY W 10 PR
--Smith was down seven times.
Sep 8 George Godfrey Philadelphia, PA (Phillies Park) W 10 PR
Dec 5 Quintin Romero Rojas Boston, MA L 10 PR
1925
Jan 22 Joe Stoessel Brooklyn, NY (Rink AC) W 12 BE
Jan 30 Bob Roper Omaha, NE W 10 CT
Feb 20 Charley Burke Ft. Bragg, NC TK 3 CT
Mar 6 Homer Smith Detroit, MI W 10 CT
Mar 23 Quintin Romero Rojas Newark, NJ ND W 12 CT
Apr 6 Jack Sharkey Boston, MA L 10 AC
May 20 Johnny Risko Cleveland, OH W 12 CT
Jun 6 George Godfrey San Francisco, CA L 10 CT
Aug 25 Marine Tolliver Bellaire, OH W 10 CT
Oct 12 Marine Tolliver Canton, OH TK 4 CT
Oct 21 Jack Ward Montreal, Quebec, Canada W 10 --
Dec 1 Jack Adams St. Louis, MO TK 5 CT
1926
Jan 21 Clemente Saavadra Tampa, FL KO 2 PR
Jan 26 Quintin Romero Rojas St. Louis, MO KO 4 PR
Feb 3 Joe Kurt Ft. Lauderdale, FL KO 3 PR
Feb 26 Jack League Tampa, FL (El Paso, TX?) KO 4 PR
Mar 10 Roleaux Saguero Havana, Cuba W 12 PR
Mar 17 Marine Toliver Havana, Cuba KO 1 --
Apr 6 Jack DeMave New York, NY W 10 --
Apr 22 Sully Montgomery St. Louis, MO KO 7 --
May 7 Jack DeMave New York, NY (Madison Square Garden) W 10 AC
1927
Apr 4 Quintin Romero Rojas Kansas City, KS ND -- 10 --
Aug 25 Arthur DeKuh New York, NY (Madison Square Garden) W 10 AC
--Weights: Renault-200, Dekuh-208.
Oct 14 Jack Delaney New York, NY L 10 PR
Nov 18 Leo Gates Tampa, FL W 10 PR
1928
Mar 6 Ray "Hoot" Burger Portland, OR KO 3 --
Apr 13 “Long” Tom Hawkins San Diego, CA L 10 --
May 23 Chuck Wiggins St. Louis, MO L 10 --
Jun 19 Lew Bedell Portland W 6 --
Oct 5 Al Friedman Tampa, FL ND -- 10 --
Oct 22 Jim Maloney Boston, MA L 10 --
Dec 25 Paulino Uzcudun Cali, Columbia L 10 --
1929
May 20 George LaRocco New York, NY LF 10 --
Jun 6 Mike Sanovitch Paterson, NJ D 10 --
Jul 17 “Young” Bob Fitzsimmons New York, NY W 10 --
Sep 23 Ernie Schaaf New York, NY L 10 --
1930
Mar 17 Tommy Loughran Philadelphia, PA L 10 PPL
--Weights: Renault-210.
Jun 30 Harold Mays Bethlehem W 10 --
Sep 10 Salvadore Ruggeriello Poughkeepsie, NY W 10 CDM
Oct 10 Babe Hunt Philadelphia, PA W 10 R 12/30
Nov 6 Otto von Porat Chicago, IL L 10 CDM
Dec 12 Arthur DeKuh St. Louis, MO W 10 CDM
--- Stanley Poreda --- W R 12/30
1931
Jan 2 Pierre Charles New York, NY (Madison Square Garden) L 10 CDM
Apr 11 Pat Redmond New York, NY W 6 --
May 18 Art Weigand Toronto, Canada KO 5 --
--- Darcy White Boston, MA (Argonne AA) W 10 R 9/31
Jun 8 Add Warren Charlotte, NC W 10 --
Jun 15 Harold Mays New York, NY L 6 --
Sep 20 Larry Gains Toronto, Canada L 10 --
Nov 10 Jack Laveria Boston, MA KO 4 --
1932
Feb 1 George Salvatore Boston, MA (Arena) SCH
Sources:
Ring Record Book
PR= Philadelphia Record (Courtesy of Chuck Hasson)
PPL= Philadelphia Public Ledger
AC= Augusta Chronicle
PG= Police Gazette
R= Ring Magazine
BE= Brooklyn Eagle (Courtesy of Laurence Fielding)
IDS= Indianapolis Daily Star
CDM= The Charleston Daily Mail (West Virginia)
Jack Renault
Born: January 18, 1898, Chashem, Quebec, Canada
Died: 1967, Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada
Height: 6'1"
Managers: Jack Wrenn, Jimmy Johnston; Leo P. Flynn
Pro Record: 83-21-2 (43 kayos), 5 ND, 2 NC
1919
Aug 10 Arthur Pelky Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada D 10 RC
--Canadian Heavyweight Title.
Dec 1 Tom Cowler Boston, Ma LF 3 --
--- Spikey Sullivan --- KO 3 --
--- Ropey Knight --- KO 2 --
--- Peter Davis --- KO 4 --
--- Ken Jackson --- KO 7 --
--- Jack Rooney --- KO 3 --
1920
Feb 16 Dan "Porky" Flynn Boston, Ma L 12 --
Mar 26 Jack Johnson Houston, TX W 12 PR
May 5 Battling Levinsky Lewiston, ME ND L 12 PR
Sep Dan "Porky" Flynn Boston, ME W 12 RC
Nov 11 Silas Green Montreal, Quebec, Canada KO 2 RC
Nov 25 Johnny Howard Montreal, Quebec, Canada W 10 RC
--- Young Sampson --- KO 3 --
--- Carl Armstrong --- KO 10 --
--- Jack Donovan --- KO 2 --
--- Carl Armstrong --- KO 3 --
--- Battling McCreary --- ND -- 12 --
--- Soldier Jones --- W 9 --
--- Young Jack Thompson --- W 12 --
--- Cleve Hawkins --- W 12 --
--- Jack Savage --- W 12 --
1921
Mar 16 Harry Greb Pittsburgh, PA ND L 10 PR
Mar 21 Ted Jamieson Boston, MA W 10 PR
Apr 6 Harry Greb Montreal, Quebec, Canada L 10 IBRO
May 23 Frankie Britton Trenton, NJ KO 1 PR
Jun 28 Ted Jamieson Grand Rapids, MI LDQ 3 IBRO
Jul 2 Billy Miske Jersey City, NJ ND -- 10 --
Dec 5 Jack McFadden Atlantic City, NJ KO 4 PR
Dec 22 Al Reich New York, NY (Madison Square Garden) W 8 IBRO
1922
Jan 6 Sgt. Ray Smith Philadelphia, PA (Cambria AC) ND W 8 PR
Jan 28 Billy Miske Brooklyn, NY (Rink AC) LK 13 PR
Jul 18 Jack Dempsey Montreal, Quebec, Canada EX -- 3 --
Jul 19 Jack Dempsey Ottawa, Canada EX -- 3 --
Nov 2 Silent Puryear New York KO 8 --
Nov 6 Jack Hyatt Trenton, NJ KO 2 PR
1923
Jan 12 Jack McCann New York, NY KO 5 IDS
Jan 29 Gene Tunney Philadelphia, PA NC 4 CT
Mar 9 George Godfrey New York, NY (Pioneer AC) KO 11 PR
Apr 2 Jack Burke (Marty Burke?) Pittsburgh, PA NC 9 PR
--Fighters were stalling.
May 12 Fred Fulton Bronx, NY (Yankee Stadium) WF 4 IDS
--1st fight card at Yankee Stadium.
May 22 Joe Lohman Long Island, NY (Queensboro Stadium) KO 6 PR
Jun 28 Ted Jamieson Grand Rapids, MI LF 3 PR
Aug 5 Antolin Fierro Havana, Cuba KO 2 --
Sep 20 “Tiny” Jim Herman Omaha, NE KO 7 --
Sep 28 Joe Downey Aurora, IL (1:18) KO 2 IDS
--IDS states that this was Renault’s tenth straight knockout.
Oct 1 Fred Fulton Boston, MA (Arena) KO 9 PR
Oct 10 Soldier Jones Montreal, Canada W 10 PR
--For Canadian Heavyweight Title.
Nov 2 Floyd Johnson New York, NY (Madison Square Garden) KO 15 PR
Dec 10 Tom Cowler Rochester, NY KO 4 --
1924
Jan 9 Joe White Montreal, Quebec, Canada W 10 CT
Jan 15 Al Benedict Quebec City, Canada KO 1 CT
Jan 23 Tom Roper Providence, RI KO 2 CT
Feb 4 Digger Brown Detroit, MI KO 2 --
Feb 11 Bob Devine Muskegon, SCH.
Mar 7 Cliff Kramer Minneapolis, MN KO 4 CT
Mar 21 Bob Roper Grand Rapids, MI ND W 10 CT
May 14 Joe White Providence, RI KO 7 PR
Jun 8 “Wild” Bill Reed Dayton, OH KO 6 --
Jun 27 Jack Burke Toledo, OH KO 1 CT
Jul 25 “Italian” Joe Herman Providence, RI KO 1 PG
Aug 11 Bartley Madden Brooklyn, NY (Queensboro Stadium) W 15 CT
Aug 25 Homer Smith Buffalo, NY W 10 PR
--Smith was down seven times.
Sep 8 George Godfrey Philadelphia, PA (Phillies Park) W 10 PR
Dec 5 Quintin Romero Rojas Boston, MA L 10 PR
1925
Jan 22 Joe Stoessel Brooklyn, NY (Rink AC) W 12 BE
Jan 30 Bob Roper Omaha, NE W 10 CT
Feb 20 Charley Burke Ft. Bragg, NC TK 3 CT
Mar 6 Homer Smith Detroit, MI W 10 CT
Mar 23 Quintin Romero Rojas Newark, NJ ND W 12 CT
Apr 6 Jack Sharkey Boston, MA L 10 AC
May 20 Johnny Risko Cleveland, OH W 12 CT
Jun 6 George Godfrey San Francisco, CA L 10 CT
Aug 25 Marine Tolliver Bellaire, OH W 10 CT
Oct 12 Marine Tolliver Canton, OH TK 4 CT
Oct 21 Jack Ward Montreal, Quebec, Canada W 10 --
Dec 1 Jack Adams St. Louis, MO TK 5 CT
1926
Jan 21 Clemente Saavadra Tampa, FL KO 2 PR
Jan 26 Quintin Romero Rojas St. Louis, MO KO 4 PR
Feb 3 Joe Kurt Ft. Lauderdale, FL KO 3 PR
Feb 26 Jack League Tampa, FL (El Paso, TX?) KO 4 PR
Mar 10 Roleaux Saguero Havana, Cuba W 12 PR
Mar 17 Marine Toliver Havana, Cuba KO 1 --
Apr 6 Jack DeMave New York, NY W 10 --
Apr 22 Sully Montgomery St. Louis, MO KO 7 --
May 7 Jack DeMave New York, NY (Madison Square Garden) W 10 AC
1927
Apr 4 Quintin Romero Rojas Kansas City, KS ND -- 10 --
Aug 25 Arthur DeKuh New York, NY (Madison Square Garden) W 10 AC
--Weights: Renault-200, Dekuh-208.
Oct 14 Jack Delaney New York, NY L 10 PR
Nov 18 Leo Gates Tampa, FL W 10 PR
1928
Mar 6 Ray "Hoot" Burger Portland, OR KO 3 --
Apr 13 “Long” Tom Hawkins San Diego, CA L 10 --
May 23 Chuck Wiggins St. Louis, MO L 10 --
Jun 19 Lew Bedell Portland W 6 --
Oct 5 Al Friedman Tampa, FL ND -- 10 --
Oct 22 Jim Maloney Boston, MA L 10 --
Dec 25 Paulino Uzcudun Cali, Columbia L 10 --
1929
May 20 George LaRocco New York, NY LF 10 --
Jun 6 Mike Sanovitch Paterson, NJ D 10 --
Jul 17 “Young” Bob Fitzsimmons New York, NY W 10 --
Sep 23 Ernie Schaaf New York, NY L 10 --
1930
Mar 17 Tommy Loughran Philadelphia, PA L 10 PPL
--Weights: Renault-210.
Jun 30 Harold Mays Bethlehem W 10 --
Sep 10 Salvadore Ruggeriello Poughkeepsie, NY W 10 CDM
Oct 10 Babe Hunt Philadelphia, PA W 10 R 12/30
Nov 6 Otto von Porat Chicago, IL L 10 CDM
Dec 12 Arthur DeKuh St. Louis, MO W 10 CDM
--- Stanley Poreda --- W R 12/30
1931
Jan 2 Pierre Charles New York, NY (Madison Square Garden) L 10 CDM
Apr 11 Pat Redmond New York, NY W 6 --
May 18 Art Weigand Toronto, Canada KO 5 --
--- Darcy White Boston, MA (Argonne AA) W 10 R 9/31
Jun 8 Add Warren Charlotte, NC W 10 --
Jun 15 Harold Mays New York, NY L 6 --
Sep 20 Larry Gains Toronto, Canada L 10 --
Nov 10 Jack Laveria Boston, MA KO 4 --
1932
Feb 1 George Salvatore Boston, MA (Arena) SCH
Sources:
Ring Record Book
PR= Philadelphia Record (Courtesy of Chuck Hasson)
PPL= Philadelphia Public Ledger
AC= Augusta Chronicle
PG= Police Gazette
R= Ring Magazine
BE= Brooklyn Eagle (Courtesy of Laurence Fielding)
IDS= Indianapolis Daily Star
CDM= The Charleston Daily Mail (West Virginia)
Harry-Canadian hwgt cont. Jack Renault
Thanks a lot Barry! Very interesting. Are you the one to call for queries about hwgts from that era? (Among the very competend staff of editors).
So, the ko loss to Joe Crawford does belong to "Tiger Jack Renault? Is it possible that Herbert G. Goldman mixed up the two Renaults in his article?
Time will tell. (Harry-I got more for you)!
YT :)
So, the ko loss to Joe Crawford does belong to "Tiger Jack Renault? Is it possible that Herbert G. Goldman mixed up the two Renaults in his article?
Time will tell. (Harry-I got more for you)!
YT :)
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Ring ran the result in the (Heavyweight) results section in the 30s, but several issues later stated that it was a mistake, stating that it was "Tiger" Jack Renault who was knoced out by Crawford and that the Canadian Jack Renault had never been knocked out, which was also incorrect. Billy Miske knocked Renault out of the ring in their January 28, 1922 bout and Renault did not beat the count.
Here's a link where they say that Jack Renault returned to boxing, and fought some big names before quitting the game in 1936.
http://www.harrygreb.com/jackrenault.html
http://www.harrygreb.com/jackrenault.html
Harry - Canadian hwgt cont. Jack Renault
The debate continues...
Here's extracts from an (in memoriam)article in The Ring, Dec, 1967, by Jersey Jones (ass. editor).
"The month's most prominent obituary item was Jack Renault, the French-Canadian who rated among the top heavyweights of the '20s. The news from Sherbrooke, Quebec, reporting his age as 73, but statistics in The Ring's files had him a few month shorter of 70.
In a ring career spanning from 1919 to 1931, Renault (6-1, 195) was credited with a total of 86 bouts of wich he won 57 (33 by knockouts), drew 1, lost 15 decisions, was knocked out twice, engaged in 9 no-decision affaires and two outings were declared no contests....
...Renault was a busy competitor until 1931, when the wear and tear of his industrious career finally caught up with him, and he called it a career after he'd been knocked out in two rounds by a Joe Crawford in Peu, Indiana.
Hanging up the mittens, Jack hied himself out to Los Angeles, toiled for a while at the Douglas Aircraft plant, then was a pinboy in a bowling emporium.
That was the last we had heard about him until the recent dispatch reporting his passing in Sherebrooke."
Well, conclusion of this article is that he hang them up in 1931. The record is yet a matter of comparing several versions of different sources.
This other "Tiger Jack Renault is focused with new interest?
YT
Here's extracts from an (in memoriam)article in The Ring, Dec, 1967, by Jersey Jones (ass. editor).
"The month's most prominent obituary item was Jack Renault, the French-Canadian who rated among the top heavyweights of the '20s. The news from Sherbrooke, Quebec, reporting his age as 73, but statistics in The Ring's files had him a few month shorter of 70.
In a ring career spanning from 1919 to 1931, Renault (6-1, 195) was credited with a total of 86 bouts of wich he won 57 (33 by knockouts), drew 1, lost 15 decisions, was knocked out twice, engaged in 9 no-decision affaires and two outings were declared no contests....
...Renault was a busy competitor until 1931, when the wear and tear of his industrious career finally caught up with him, and he called it a career after he'd been knocked out in two rounds by a Joe Crawford in Peu, Indiana.
Hanging up the mittens, Jack hied himself out to Los Angeles, toiled for a while at the Douglas Aircraft plant, then was a pinboy in a bowling emporium.
That was the last we had heard about him until the recent dispatch reporting his passing in Sherebrooke."
Well, conclusion of this article is that he hang them up in 1931. The record is yet a matter of comparing several versions of different sources.
This other "Tiger Jack Renault is focused with new interest?
YT
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The late Tim Leone, former director and historian for the IBRO wrote an interesting note about Ring in an early IBRO journal. He talks about how for so many years "Ring" files and books were considered the "gospel" even though Nat Fleisher often knew that many records were incorrect. Instead of changing typeset and correcting errors, Ring continued to run errors in the same typeset, which was carried out until I think the 1984 RRB when Herb Goldman took over and started reformatting and correcting records. I'll dig out the article by Mr. Leone and type it out...it's very good.
To give due credit -- the Ring Record Book started picking up when Bert Sugar took over as editor -- besides bringing on many top researchers, Herb Goldman, Tracy Callis, etc, he was committed to ferreting out errors.
I believe bert's first volumne was 1980, those years saw many great additions.
Then Herb absolutely ruined it by adding ND wins and losses!!
I believe bert's first volumne was 1980, those years saw many great additions.
Then Herb absolutely ruined it by adding ND wins and losses!!