Hey guys
I am curious to know what you think would have happened, should
Ali have 'won' against Spinks. It is likely that had the fight been
judged by different judges, then Ali may have won a pro Ali
decision. It was after all a Split Dec.
Would he have faced
NOrton again ?
Holmes ?
Tate ?
Or would he have taken an easier opponent?
Thanks again..
Kym
What would have happened if Ali got the nod Vs Spinks..
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I Feel Fine
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Why do you have to be so rude to people??.... if you dont like the thread dont come onto it, its quite simple!!. Maybe you should be working out your frustrations with a therapist mate rather than on here with people who want to talk boxing....I Feel Fine wrote:What if Louis had gotten the decision over Walcott in the first fight? Oh, yeah, he did.
Maybe Ali rematches Spinks anyway because the decision would have been controversial. Maybe he fights Norton again. Do we need more Ali threads?
Re: What would have happened if Ali got the nod Vs Spinks..
Robinson wrote:Hey guys
I am curious to know what you think would have happened, should
Ali have 'won' against Spinks. It is likely that had the fight been
judged by different judges, then Ali may have won a pro Ali
decision. It was after all a Split Dec.
Would he have faced
NOrton again ?
Holmes ?
Tate ?
Or would he have taken an easier opponent?
Thanks again..
Kym
Its an interesting question actually, I think the Norton bout was just about lined up so had Ali beaten Spinks then he would have faced Norton... whom I think at that point would have beaten Ali even if he'd been in the best shape possible. Having said that Ali would still probably have managed to make it close so there would probably be an Ali vs Norton 5.... the chances are that Ali would have ended his career with two losses to Norton, though you wouldnt count against him maybe coming back and beating Norton again.... it depends how much he had left....
We would love to think he would have retired...
but I just don't see it. It is unlikely that he would have faced Shavers or Lyle again. Fortunately there were not to many bombers that he
may have faced at this stage who really could have hurt him at this time.
It is safe to say that at any stage Holmes would have taken it easy on
Ali. Norton and him would always make for a lovely pairing of fistic rivalry. Maybe he would have given Scott LeDoux a shot immediately after Spinks...after all he is the greatest and whom ever he faces is 'legitimate' ;)
Ledoux had just recently drawn with Leon Spinks, and after another draw with Bill Sharkey he had strung together a 4 fight winning streak. Perhaps that is a possibility.
Mike Weaver is another guy who may have been in there with him, I think Weaver may have won and beaten Ali at this stage. Perhaps instead of facing Holmes he would have taken on Ali.
Kym
but I just don't see it. It is unlikely that he would have faced Shavers or Lyle again. Fortunately there were not to many bombers that he
may have faced at this stage who really could have hurt him at this time.
It is safe to say that at any stage Holmes would have taken it easy on
Ali. Norton and him would always make for a lovely pairing of fistic rivalry. Maybe he would have given Scott LeDoux a shot immediately after Spinks...after all he is the greatest and whom ever he faces is 'legitimate' ;)
Ledoux had just recently drawn with Leon Spinks, and after another draw with Bill Sharkey he had strung together a 4 fight winning streak. Perhaps that is a possibility.
Mike Weaver is another guy who may have been in there with him, I think Weaver may have won and beaten Ali at this stage. Perhaps instead of facing Holmes he would have taken on Ali.
Kym
Re: What would have happened if Ali got the nod Vs Spinks..
Ah never the grumps 'round here.Robinson wrote:Hey guys
I am curious to know what you think would have happened, should
Ali have 'won' against Spinks. It is likely that had the fight been
judged by different judges, then Ali may have won a pro Ali
decision. It was after all a Split Dec.
Would he have faced
NOrton again ?
Holmes ?
Tate ?
Or would he have taken an easier opponent?
Thanks again..
Kym
Personally I love these sorts of "what if?" threads.
Although it would have , indeed, been considered a very controversial decision, I don't believe that there'd have been a huge outcry for an immediate rematch between Ali & Spinks had Ali gotten the nod. I mean, at this point in his career every legit contender was taking Ali the limit in fights that could have gone either way.
Jimmy Young didn't get an immediate rematch, neither did Norton or Shavers. So, I doubt Leon gets one.
As reluctant as Herbert Muhammad would have been to go that route, I think he'd have pretty much had to have gone with Norton IV. The public would have demanded it after how controversial their rubber match was & with Norton's follow up wins over the then-unbeaten Bobick, then Lorenzo Zanon & Jimmy Young.
That would leave us with the Norton that faced Holmes meeting the Ali that met Spinks in their rematch. Not good for Ali. Especially the latter rounds. I think there's a chance Norton might have stopped him very late, but if not then he'd have definitely gotten a well deserved W15 via scores of 145-140.
One wonders what the rest of the devision wuld have done whilst waiting for Ali - Norton IV to play out ...
Holmes would've still established himself as an elite contender via his W12 over Shavers, but would've likely had to fight again once or twice while waiting for his shot at Norton. Wonder who King would've put him in against?
Then there's Neon Leon.
You have to wonder if losing that initial nod to Ali might have actually benefited his career somehow. At least as far as his longevity as a legit contender is concerned. Though it's tough to say whether he'd have ever won a title.
Maybe Arum would've still matched him up with Coetzee, but then maybe he'd have met John Tate instead. Or Bobick. Or Knoetze.
Holmes would've still established himself as an elite contender via his W12 over Shavers, but would've likely had to fight again once or twice while waiting for his shot at Norton. Wonder who King would've put him in against?
Then there's Neon Leon.
You have to wonder if losing that initial nod to Ali might have actually benefited his career somehow. At least as far as his longevity as a legit contender is concerned. Though it's tough to say whether he'd have ever won a title.
Maybe Arum would've still matched him up with Coetzee, but then maybe he'd have met John Tate instead. Or Bobick. Or Knoetze.
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Personally, I think Ali would have thought to himself "I just underestimated this kid, though he was 7-0-1, that's why it went the distance. Besides I am The Greatest of All Time, I was supposed to win."
And then he would have signed on to have faced Gerrie Coetzee...and would have suffered a devestating loss, because Ali by this time would have been durable and have stamina and take a beating, but have no more reflexes and speed.
He would have figured Coetzee, despite his ranking, was just "another" foreign fighter who wouldn't have the skills or ability to take Ali on, like others in the past: Brian London, Alfredo Evangelista, Jean Pierre Coopman, Richard Dunne.
Coetzee would have came in for the kill, more than likely would have been more harsher to Ali than what Holmes was, at least in terms of having a killer attitude in the ring (not that he would have slaughtered Ali like Holmes, but you get my meaning, Coetzee would have engaged more).
It would have been competitive, but due to Ali's thinking that he couldn't lose the title in a decision and that Coetzee was just some foreign fighter nobody knew or cared for...he would have gotten a wake up call, but by then it would have been too late to have done a rematch, he would have been too far gone to have gotten back into shape to stand a chance.
Coetzee vs Ali: Coetzee wins unaminous decision
And then he would have signed on to have faced Gerrie Coetzee...and would have suffered a devestating loss, because Ali by this time would have been durable and have stamina and take a beating, but have no more reflexes and speed.
He would have figured Coetzee, despite his ranking, was just "another" foreign fighter who wouldn't have the skills or ability to take Ali on, like others in the past: Brian London, Alfredo Evangelista, Jean Pierre Coopman, Richard Dunne.
Coetzee would have came in for the kill, more than likely would have been more harsher to Ali than what Holmes was, at least in terms of having a killer attitude in the ring (not that he would have slaughtered Ali like Holmes, but you get my meaning, Coetzee would have engaged more).
It would have been competitive, but due to Ali's thinking that he couldn't lose the title in a decision and that Coetzee was just some foreign fighter nobody knew or cared for...he would have gotten a wake up call, but by then it would have been too late to have done a rematch, he would have been too far gone to have gotten back into shape to stand a chance.
Coetzee vs Ali: Coetzee wins unaminous decision