Is Calzaghe/Kessler the worst undercard this decade?

Chris W 1982 · Post by **Chris W 1982** » 29 Oct 2007, 17:42

Im going the fight on Saturday and apart from the main event theres just nothing to get excited about.

With money coming from Setanta and HBO, surely Mr Warren couldve bolstered the undercard a little.

Any Thoughts?

Coco · Post by **Coco** » 29 Oct 2007, 18:05

The quiet man 2004 wrote:Im going the fight on Saturday and apart from the main event theres just nothing to get excited about.

With money coming from Setanta and HBO, surely Mr Warren couldve bolstered the undercard a little.

Any Thoughts?

I dunno FW has put on some terrible ones in his time!
The Hatton-Castillo was awful as well

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 29 Oct 2007, 18:07

Well I think the undercard for Calzaghe Manfrado was worse becasue there wasn't much of a main event at the top.

whiskey · Post by **whiskey** » 29 Oct 2007, 18:19

Awful.

For there isnt one single fight that would stand up on its own.

Oscar knows how to build a card... Lacy v Manfredo is a good support and im sure more will certainly follow.

states · Post by **states** » 29 Oct 2007, 18:27

It can't really be called the worst. Hatton-Tszyu had a bad one. Hatton's cards in the States have also been deplorable.

It's just a sad fact of life that, over here, the main event sells the card, and you ain't likely to get much more than that, not for a BIG event (see the aforementioned Hatton-Tszyu fight), with the main event taking so much of the money. Frank did some decent cards recently (such as the O2 Arena show, where we got Luevano-Cook on the undercard, amongst some other decent fights, like Pryce-Small)where there was quality through the bill. But for nights like Calzaghe-Kessler, it just ain't happening.

Abbo · Post by **Abbo** » 29 Oct 2007, 18:38

Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States
Ulises Solis W Will Grigsby UD 12 12
Mark Suarez W James Webb TKO 1 12
O'Neil Bell W Jean-Marc Mormeck KO 10 12
Zab Judah L Carlos Manuel Baldomir UD 12 12
Steve Cunningham W Lloyd Bryan TKO 5 10
Elio Rojas W Priest Smalls TKO 1 8
Owen Beck W Darnell Wilson UD 8 8
William Joppy W Eric Howard TKO 5 8
Josiah Judah W Frank Armstrong UD 4 4
Bermane Stiverne W John Turlington TKO 1 4

Now that my friends, is a bill!!!!

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 29 Oct 2007, 19:32

Abbo wrote:Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States
Ulises Solis W Will Grigsby UD 12 12
Mark Suarez W James Webb TKO 1 12
O'Neil Bell W Jean-Marc Mormeck KO 10 12
Zab Judah L Carlos Manuel Baldomir UD 12 12
Steve Cunningham W Lloyd Bryan TKO 5 10
Elio Rojas W Priest Smalls TKO 1 8
Owen Beck W Darnell Wilson UD 8 8
William Joppy W Eric Howard TKO 5 8
Josiah Judah W Frank Armstrong UD 4 4
Bermane Stiverne W John Turlington TKO 1 4

Now that my friends, is a bill!!!!

Thats a good warm up, but this is a bill!

Rosendo Alvarez D12 Victor Burgos (WBA & IBF 108 unification)
Luis Perez UD12 Felix Machado (IBF 115)
Travis Simms KO5 Alejandro Garcia (WBA 154)
Wayne Braithwaite TKO1 Luis Pineda (WBC 200)
Zab Judah KO1 Jaime Rangel (WBO 140)
John Ruiz UD12 Hasim Rahman (WBA +200)
Cory Spinks MD12 Ricardo Mayorga ( WBC, WBA & IBF 147)
Bernard Hopkins UD12 William Joppy (WBA, WBC & IBF 160)

chesh · Post by **chesh** » 29 Oct 2007, 20:26

Remember November 9th 1996?

Nynex Arena, Manchester, United Kingdom

Naseem Hamed W Remigio Daniel Molina TKO 2
Ronald Wright W Ensley Bingham UD 12
Steve Collins W Nigel Benn TKO 6
Carl Thompson W Jason Nicholson PTS 8
Michael Brodie W Miguel Matthews PTS 6
Brian Coleman L Mark Haslam PTS 6
Danny Williams W Michael Murray TKO 1
Michael Gomez W David Morris PTS 4
Terry Dunstan W Sergio Daniel Merani KO 3
Herbie Hide W Frankie Swindell KO 1

And that was just a warm-up for this American card later the same night:

MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States

Antonio Cermeno W Eddie Saenz TKO 5
Mike Tyson L Evander Holyfield TKO 11
Henry Akinwande W Alexander Zolkin TKO 10
Ricardo Lopez W Morgan Ndumo TKO 6
Michael Moorer W Francois Botha TKO 12
Scott Welch W Daniel Eduardo Neto UD 8
Christy Martin W Bethany Payne TKO 1
Bruno Wartelle W Chuck Dairy TD 1

OK, one or two mis-matches thrown in, but overall, that's a good night of boxing. Those were the days!

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 29 Oct 2007, 20:33

Freiheit wrote:
Abbo wrote:Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States
Ulises Solis W Will Grigsby UD 12 12
Mark Suarez W James Webb TKO 1 12
O'Neil Bell W Jean-Marc Mormeck KO 10 12
Zab Judah L Carlos Manuel Baldomir UD 12 12
Steve Cunningham W Lloyd Bryan TKO 5 10
Elio Rojas W Priest Smalls TKO 1 8
Owen Beck W Darnell Wilson UD 8 8
William Joppy W Eric Howard TKO 5 8
Josiah Judah W Frank Armstrong UD 4 4
Bermane Stiverne W John Turlington TKO 1 4

Now that my friends, is a bill!!!!
Thats a good warm up, but this is a bill!

Rosendo Alvarez D12 Victor Burgos (WBA & IBF 108 unification)
Luis Perez UD12 Felix Machado (IBF 115)
Travis Simms KO5 Alejandro Garcia (WBA 154)
Wayne Braithwaite TKO1 Luis Pineda (WBC 200)
Zab Judah KO1 Jaime Rangel (WBO 140)
John Ruiz UD12 Hasim Rahman (WBA +200)
Cory Spinks MD12 Ricardo Mayorga ( WBC, WBA & IBF 147)
Bernard Hopkins UD12 William Joppy (WBA, WBC & IBF 160)

Holy crap, that musta cost a huge amount of sanction fees!

Abbo · Post by **Abbo** » 30 Oct 2007, 04:38

chesh wrote:Remember November 9th 1996?

Nynex Arena, Manchester, United Kingdom

Naseem Hamed W Remigio Daniel Molina TKO 2
Ronald Wright W Ensley Bingham UD 12
Steve Collins W Nigel Benn TKO 6
Carl Thompson W Jason Nicholson PTS 8
Michael Brodie W Miguel Matthews PTS 6
Brian Coleman L Mark Haslam PTS 6
Danny Williams W Michael Murray TKO 1
Michael Gomez W David Morris PTS 4
Terry Dunstan W Sergio Daniel Merani KO 3
Herbie Hide W Frankie Swindell KO 1

That's an absoultely stonking UK bill.

EddieShredder · Post by **EddieShredder** » 30 Oct 2007, 04:42

Max Molyneux wrote:
Freiheit wrote:
Abbo wrote:Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States
Ulises Solis W Will Grigsby UD 12 12
Mark Suarez W James Webb TKO 1 12
O'Neil Bell W Jean-Marc Mormeck KO 10 12
Zab Judah L Carlos Manuel Baldomir UD 12 12
Steve Cunningham W Lloyd Bryan TKO 5 10
Elio Rojas W Priest Smalls TKO 1 8
Owen Beck W Darnell Wilson UD 8 8
William Joppy W Eric Howard TKO 5 8
Josiah Judah W Frank Armstrong UD 4 4
Bermane Stiverne W John Turlington TKO 1 4

Now that my friends, is a bill!!!!
Thats a good warm up, but this is a bill!

Rosendo Alvarez D12 Victor Burgos (WBA & IBF 108 unification)
Luis Perez UD12 Felix Machado (IBF 115)
Travis Simms KO5 Alejandro Garcia (WBA 154)
Wayne Braithwaite TKO1 Luis Pineda (WBC 200)
Zab Judah KO1 Jaime Rangel (WBO 140)
John Ruiz UD12 Hasim Rahman (WBA +200)
Cory Spinks MD12 Ricardo Mayorga ( WBC, WBA & IBF 147)
Bernard Hopkins UD12 William Joppy (WBA, WBC & IBF 160)
Holy crap, that musta cost a huge amount of sanction fees!

You could work for Frank with an attitude like that..... "well, we could put on a great bill, but sod it, can't be arsed to pay all the sanctioning fees.... "

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 30 Oct 2007, 05:27

Thing is, if the main event is a great fight , then everyone will forget about the undercard.
look at the undercard to Hagler v Hearns

Irleis Perez v Pat Jefferson
Luis Santana v Darrell Chambers
Willie DeWitt v Alex Williamson
David Vedder v Ricky Womack
Andy Minsker v John Watkins

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 30 Oct 2007, 05:28

Thing is, if the main event is a great fight , then everyone will forget about the undercard.
look at the undercard to Hagler v Hearns

Irleis Perez v Pat Jefferson
Luis Santana v Darrell Chambers
Willie DeWitt v Alex Williamson
David Vedder v Ricky Womack
Andy Minsker v John Watkins

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 30 Oct 2007, 07:05

Max Molyneux wrote:
Holy crap, that musta cost a huge amount of sanction fees!

Not too much, they were doing a buy-one-get-one-free special that week.

oliverfennell · Post by **oliverfennell** » 30 Oct 2007, 08:03

Is Calzaghe/Kessler the worst undercard this decade?

That award has to go to the undercard of Dean Francis v Ovill McKenzie.

If you don't know, check it out.

Loynesy · Post by **Loynesy** » 30 Oct 2007, 09:05

Freiheit wrote:
Abbo wrote:Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States
Ulises Solis W Will Grigsby UD 12 12
Mark Suarez W James Webb TKO 1 12
O'Neil Bell W Jean-Marc Mormeck KO 10 12
Zab Judah L Carlos Manuel Baldomir UD 12 12
Steve Cunningham W Lloyd Bryan TKO 5 10
Elio Rojas W Priest Smalls TKO 1 8
Owen Beck W Darnell Wilson UD 8 8
William Joppy W Eric Howard TKO 5 8
Josiah Judah W Frank Armstrong UD 4 4
Bermane Stiverne W John Turlington TKO 1 4

Now that my friends, is a bill!!!!
Thats a good warm up, but this is a bill!

Rosendo Alvarez D12 Victor Burgos (WBA & IBF 108 unification)
Luis Perez UD12 Felix Machado (IBF 115)
Travis Simms KO5 Alejandro Garcia (WBA 154)
Wayne Braithwaite TKO1 Luis Pineda (WBC 200)
Zab Judah KO1 Jaime Rangel (WBO 140)
John Ruiz UD12 Hasim Rahman (WBA +200)
Cory Spinks MD12 Ricardo Mayorga ( WBC, WBA & IBF 147)
Bernard Hopkins UD12 William Joppy (WBA, WBC & IBF 160)

I went to that bill in Atlantic City. A very surreal day. I was there the second the door opened got to my seat and it was already round 2 of the Alvarez fight. The bill went on forever, it was a boxing anoraks dream even though a couple of the fights were stinkers (Ruiz in particualr). To make it even better, I had a good three figure bet on Spinks on points which paid for the whole weekend.....

Happy days.

Neri · Post by **Neri** » 30 Oct 2007, 11:54

It looks pretty week I agree. Macca's bout doesn't whet my appetite due to never having heard of his opponent. Skelton-Long speaks for itself.

The fights I'm looking forward to the most on the undercard are the ones that feature Bellew and Cox and they have only just turned pro! I hope Setanta feature them.

Khaosai-Galaxy · Post by **Khaosai-Galaxy** » 30 Oct 2007, 15:11

Only the main event draws, you all know that, so why would a promoter, a businessman spend money needlessly on undercard fights?

Coco · Post by **Coco** » 30 Oct 2007, 15:37

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:Only the main event draws, you all know that, so why would a promoter, a businessman spend money needlessly on undercard fights?

What about if the main event finishes early? Clash of heads or something, or it's just a poor fight

whatashambles · Post by **whatashambles** » 30 Oct 2007, 15:40

Top Rank usually stack their cards pretty well. The Cotto Mosley undercard ain't bad.

n1ebf · Post by **n1ebf** » 30 Oct 2007, 19:48

chesh wrote:Remember November 9th 1996?

Nynex Arena, Manchester, United Kingdom

Naseem Hamed W Remigio Daniel Molina TKO 2
Ronald Wright W Ensley Bingham UD 12
Steve Collins W Nigel Benn TKO 6
Carl Thompson W Jason Nicholson PTS 8
Michael Brodie W Miguel Matthews PTS 6
Brian Coleman L Mark Haslam PTS 6
Danny Williams W Michael Murray TKO 1
Michael Gomez W David Morris PTS 4
Terry Dunstan W Sergio Daniel Merani KO 3
Herbie Hide W Frankie Swindell KO 1

And that was just a warm-up for this American card later the same night:

MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States

Antonio Cermeno W Eddie Saenz TKO 5
Mike Tyson L Evander Holyfield TKO 11
Henry Akinwande W Alexander Zolkin TKO 10
Ricardo Lopez W Morgan Ndumo TKO 6
Michael Moorer W Francois Botha TKO 12
Scott Welch W Daniel Eduardo Neto UD 8
Christy Martin W Bethany Payne TKO 1
Bruno Wartelle W Chuck Dairy TD 1

OK, one or two mis-matches thrown in, but overall, that's a good night of boxing. Those were the days!

Good grief are you for real !!!!!!! I'm not old enough to remember.......you're telling me Hamed, Winky Wright, BRODIE, GOMEZ , HIDE and whoever the other dudes were I can't remember the full list......all on ONE card..........what the F !!!!!!!! that's like overkill.......mind you I appreciate at the time some reputations may not have been what they are now.
And Brian Coleman too, classic ! L pts 6 to boot..top form in Brian's book......and that's not an insult it's a compliment. The guy don't roll over for anyone.
Would love to have seen Winky box live .......if I could be a boxer I would be Ronald Winky Wright and I've been to hours and hours of boxing and only seen him like 3 times......think it was the win over Foster the Viking when I was a kid....just superb boxing.

n1ebf · Post by **n1ebf** » 30 Oct 2007, 20:02

i've just re-read that......Collins , Thompson., Williams on the same card also (sorry I@m not familiar with Tunstall)..........these days ONE, YES ONE of those fights and they'd build an effing bill around it. That's scary.

Deram · Post by **Deram** » 30 Oct 2007, 21:52

Is Calzaghe-Kessler the fight where the undercard is most irrelevant?

Absolutely!

BigEars · Post by **BigEars** » 30 Oct 2007, 21:55

NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:i've just re-read that......Collins , Thompson., Williams on the same card also (sorry I@m not familiar with Tunstall)..........these days ONE, YES ONE of those fights and they'd build an effing bill around it. That's scary.

Tunstall(by which I presume you mean Dunstan) was the British Cruiserweight champion at the time and just over a year later would go on to become the European champ .

I dunno about the Francis v McKenzie undercard being the worst , I didn't think there was a bad fight on it...........

oliverfennell · Post by **oliverfennell** » 31 Oct 2007, 05:05

BigEars wrote:I dunno about the Francis v McKenzie undercard being the worst , I didn't think there was a bad fight on it...........

That's one way of looking at it...

Is Calzaghe/Kessler the worst undercard this decade?

Is Calzaghe/Kessler the worst undercard this decade?

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