Not sure how this determines the TV schedule (due to start at 8.15) and more quantity than quality, but here it is anyway:
allegedly In Association with INTERNATIONAL ENTERTAINMENT
Proudly Present
WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP BOXING
Saturday 3rd November 2007
RUNNING ORDER
Stadium gates open at 7.30pm
There will be no admittance into the Stadium after 10.30pm
Fight # 1 - 20.15pm
4 X 3 Minute Rounds Light-Heavyweight Contest
HARRY MILES V MARK PHILLIPS
Fight # 2
8 X 3 Minute Rounds Super-Middleweight Contest
NATHAN CLEVERLY V JOEY VEGAS
Fight # 3
4 X 3 Minute Rounds Light-Heavyweight Contest
TONY BELLEW V ADAM WILCOX
Fight # 4
6 X 3 Minute Rounds Super Featherweight Contest
RICKY BURNS V YOUSEF AL HAMIDI
Fight # 5
6 X 3 Minute Rounds Middleweight Contest
KERRY HOPE V ERNIE SMITH
Fight # 6 - 22.30pm
6 X 3 Minute Rounds International Middleweight Contest
THOMAS POLLSEN V LEE NOBLE
Fight # 7
8 X 3 Minute Rounds Light-Welterweight Contest
BARRIE JONES V TBA
Fight # 8
6 X 3 Minute Rounds International Cruiserweight Contest
ANDERS HUGGER V HASTINGS RASANI
Fight # 9 - 24.10pm
THE WBO WORLD CRUISERWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
12 X 3 Minute Rounds at 14st 4lb
ENZO MACCARINELLI V MOHAMED AZZAOUI
Fight # 10
4 X 3 Minute Rounds Light-Welterweight Contest
JAMIE COX V DAVID KIRK
Fight # 11 - 01.25am
THE WBO, WBC AND WBA WORLD SUPER-MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIPS
12 X 3 Minute Rounds at 12st
JOE CALZAGHE V MIKKEL KESSLER
OPPONENTS, FIGHT TIMINGS AND LINE UP ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE
Millenium Stadium Running Order
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TerribleTerry
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But great top of the bill. And Burns on there is nice, too.Deserter wrote:Shockingly bad bill. So glad now that I didn't fork out to attend.
Listen, it's a shit bill for overall quality, but Frank doesn't have a bottomless pit of cash I'm sure and he must have forked out a fortune for Kessler.
If you want to see a landmark fight that is likely to last an hour, plus some other lower quality stuff, pay. If you don't, don't.
If somebody offered me 60 quid to watch Man United - Arsenal preceded by three hours of Conference football, I wouldn't say it was bad value.
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Old bones Ian
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Carbo wrote:Frank doesn't have a bottomless pit of cash I'm sure.
Carbo, I'm genuinely shocked at your reply. allegedly will be making huge sums of money from this fight thanks to the magic recipe of TV revenues and a huge live gate. He could easily have put on a stronger bill and still ensured his margins were huge. The idea that by forking out a bit more his promotion would be struggling to break even (which is the inference of your comment) is just laughable. Instead, he's just taking advantage of the fact that Calzaghe has such strong local support that he could put on virtually anything on the undercard without suffering a drop in revenues.
Simply put, Frank is milking his big cash cow for all he's worth as he's now very close to being put out to pasture. I understand it from a business perspective, but don't for a second endorse it from a fan's perspective.
It's a shocking bill judged by any true boxing fan's criteria and in the context of the ticket pricing... and that's without even going into the fact that unless you've paid big money to be close to ringside your view of the action is going to be err, interesting....
I'm Gurarentied that Manchester United Arsenal will last 90 mins.Carbo wrote:But great top of the bill. And Burns on there is nice, too.Deserter wrote:Shockingly bad bill. So glad now that I didn't fork out to attend.
Listen, it's a shit bill for overall quality, but Frank doesn't have a bottomless pit of cash I'm sure and he must have forked out a fortune for Kessler.
If you want to see a landmark fight that is likely to last an hour, plus some other lower quality stuff, pay. If you don't, don't.
If somebody offered me 60 quid to watch Man United - Arsenal preceded by three hours of Conference football, I wouldn't say it was bad value.
If at a conservative estimate Warren is making an average of £40 a ticket and sells 60,000 of them then he is getting 2 and a half million quid, for the seat sales alone and then we can add TV money and sponsorship to that.
The least he could have done is use some of that money to put Rees on the undercard! Rees is shit for christ sakes but it would have got him some more fans (as Farell undercards got hatton more) and made for a better bill.
When I worked in music promotion big events would be done on a % of tickets sold with a minimum which covers there running costs, with an outfit the size of SN they may be able to negotiate a flat rate though. doubt it'll amount to more than 100,000 though which is about 5% of the over all take.rhino222 wrote:how much does FW pay to hire out the millenium stadium !!
although in fairness the biggest venues I delt with were about 15,000 people not stadiums so not sure if that makes much of a difference.josh fg wrote:When I worked in music promotion big events would be done on a % of tickets sold with a minimum which covers there running costs, with an outfit the size of SN they may be able to negotiate a flat rate though. doubt it'll amount to more than 100,000 though which is about 5% of the over all take.rhino222 wrote:how much does FW pay to hire out the millenium stadium !!
I hear what you're saying, and I think I could perhaps phrase it differently by saying, 'Warren doesn't have a bottomless pit of fighters and he runs a business like any other.'Deserter wrote:Carbo wrote:Frank doesn't have a bottomless pit of cash I'm sure.
Carbo, I'm genuinely shocked at your reply. allegedly allegedly will be making huge sums of money from this fight thanks to the magic recipe of TV revenues and a huge live gate. He could easily have put on a stronger bill and still ensured his margins were huge. The idea that by forking out a bit more his promotion would be struggling to break even (which is the inference of your comment) is just laughable. Instead, he's just taking advantage of the fact that Calzaghe has such strong local support that he could put on virtually anything on the undercard without suffering a drop in revenues.
Simply put, Frank is milking his big cash cow for all he's worth as he's now very close to being put out to pasture. I understand it from a business perspective, but don't for a second endorse it from a fan's perspective.
It's a shocking bill judged by any true boxing fan's criteria and in the context of the ticket pricing... and that's without even going into the fact that unless you've paid big money to be close to ringside your view of the action is going to be err, interesting....
It is important to note that if more of Warren's real bread winners were stacked into the one show, it wouldn't add many more onto the bill while hacking into the number of higher margin shows he can put on over the next three months. That, of course, is the essense of your argument: he's milking it for all its worth. However, it's also a business, and a business that isn't in the same rude health we saw when he had a juicy 'we'll take owt you give us' contract with Sky; both Calzaghe and Hatton; Scott Harrison; a rising Matt Skelton; and, on a lower scale, pretty much every decent domestic level heavyweight in the country and Alex Arthur in regular action.
However, in the long term, it's typical of the myopic business model pervasive in sport in this country. It's all about maximising profits right now, while little investing is done for the future. Like football teams where prices go up while less and less cash is filtered down to the lower leagues, cometitive domestic matches are increasingly hard to come by in an effort to maximise the money to be had from a particular fighter. How are new fans going to be attracted to the sport, I wonder?
Half of me wants to applaud Warren for making the fight, but, the more I think about it -- thankfully prompted by posts like yours, Deserter -- the more I think that this match is 'guaranteed money' for a promoter as skillful as Warren, and he's actually pursuing short term aims.
I still stand by my point about the relative value of this match compared to football these days, but that may have something to do with the vastly inflated prices charged by football clubs rather than the value of this particular card. If so, I'm not afraid to admit a mistake, and stand corrected.
Fair play fella. Ironically I think our views are actually very similar, just a case of crossed wiresCarbo wrote:I hear what you're saying, and I think I could perhaps phrase it differently by saying, 'Warren doesn't have a bottomless pit of fighters and he runs a business like any other.'Deserter wrote:Carbo wrote:Frank doesn't have a bottomless pit of cash I'm sure.
Carbo, I'm genuinely shocked at your reply. allegedly allegedly allegedly will be making huge sums of money from this fight thanks to the magic recipe of TV revenues and a huge live gate. He could easily have put on a stronger bill and still ensured his margins were huge. The idea that by forking out a bit more his promotion would be struggling to break even (which is the inference of your comment) is just laughable. Instead, he's just taking advantage of the fact that Calzaghe has such strong local support that he could put on virtually anything on the undercard without suffering a drop in revenues.
Simply put, Frank is milking his big cash cow for all he's worth as he's now very close to being put out to pasture. I understand it from a business perspective, but don't for a second endorse it from a fan's perspective.
It's a shocking bill judged by any true boxing fan's criteria and in the context of the ticket pricing... and that's without even going into the fact that unless you've paid big money to be close to ringside your view of the action is going to be err, interesting....
It is important to note that if more of Warren's real bread winners were stacked into the one show, it wouldn't add many more onto the bill while hacking into the number of higher margin shows he can put on over the next three months. That, of course, is the essense of your argument: he's milking it for all its worth. However, it's also a business, and a business that isn't in the same rude health we saw when he had a juicy 'we'll take owt you give us' contract with Sky; both Calzaghe and Hatton; Scott Harrison; a rising Matt Skelton; and, on a lower scale, pretty much every decent domestic level heavyweight in the country and Alex Arthur in regular action.
However, in the long term, it's typical of the myopic business model pervasive in sport in this country. It's all about maximising profits right now, while little investing is done for the future. Like football teams where prices go up while less and less cash is filtered down to the lower leagues, cometitive domestic matches are increasingly hard to come by in an effort to maximise the money to be had from a particular fighter. How are new fans going to be attracted to the sport, I wonder?
Half of me wants to applaud Warren for making the fight, but, the more I think about it -- thankfully prompted by posts like yours, Deserter -- the more I think that this match is 'guaranteed money' for a promoter as skillful as Warren, and he's actually pursuing short term aims.
I still stand by my point about the relative value of this match compared to football these days, but that may have something to do with the vastly inflated prices charged by football clubs rather than the value of this particular card. If so, I'm not afraid to admit a mistake, and stand corrected.
Warren's a superb businessman, and there's no obligation on him to act in an altrustic manner, but you're bang on that the short-termism is what costs the sport overall in the long term. I probably wouldn't feel quite so srongly about the whole affair if it wasn't coming hot on the heels of the dreadful farce that was the Calzaghe-Manfredo card...
Great points from both of you. You would, though, think promoters would try to deliver a quality product to ensure future TV deals, wouldn't you? Short-termism can be very short-sighted and screw it up for everyone.Deserter wrote:Fair play fella. Ironically I think our views are actually very similar, just a case of crossed wiresCarbo wrote:I hear what you're saying, and I think I could perhaps phrase it differently by saying, 'Warren doesn't have a bottomless pit of fighters and he runs a business like any other.'Deserter wrote:
Carbo, I'm genuinely shocked at your reply. allegedly allegedly allegedly allegedly will be making huge sums of money from this fight thanks to the magic recipe of TV revenues and a huge live gate. He could easily have put on a stronger bill and still ensured his margins were huge. The idea that by forking out a bit more his promotion would be struggling to break even (which is the inference of your comment) is just laughable. Instead, he's just taking advantage of the fact that Calzaghe has such strong local support that he could put on virtually anything on the undercard without suffering a drop in revenues.
Simply put, Frank is milking his big cash cow for all he's worth as he's now very close to being put out to pasture. I understand it from a business perspective, but don't for a second endorse it from a fan's perspective.
It's a shocking bill judged by any true boxing fan's criteria and in the context of the ticket pricing... and that's without even going into the fact that unless you've paid big money to be close to ringside your view of the action is going to be err, interesting....
It is important to note that if more of Warren's real bread winners were stacked into the one show, it wouldn't add many more onto the bill while hacking into the number of higher margin shows he can put on over the next three months. That, of course, is the essense of your argument: he's milking it for all its worth. However, it's also a business, and a business that isn't in the same rude health we saw when he had a juicy 'we'll take owt you give us' contract with Sky; both Calzaghe and Hatton; Scott Harrison; a rising Matt Skelton; and, on a lower scale, pretty much every decent domestic level heavyweight in the country and Alex Arthur in regular action.
However, in the long term, it's typical of the myopic business model pervasive in sport in this country. It's all about maximising profits right now, while little investing is done for the future. Like football teams where prices go up while less and less cash is filtered down to the lower leagues, cometitive domestic matches are increasingly hard to come by in an effort to maximise the money to be had from a particular fighter. How are new fans going to be attracted to the sport, I wonder?
Half of me wants to applaud Warren for making the fight, but, the more I think about it -- thankfully prompted by posts like yours, Deserter -- the more I think that this match is 'guaranteed money' for a promoter as skillful as Warren, and he's actually pursuing short term aims.
I still stand by my point about the relative value of this match compared to football these days, but that may have something to do with the vastly inflated prices charged by football clubs rather than the value of this particular card. If so, I'm not afraid to admit a mistake, and stand corrected.
Warren's a superb businessman, and there's no obligation on him to act in an altrustic manner, but you're bang on that the short-termism is what costs the sport overall in the long term. I probably wouldn't feel quite so srongly about the whole affair if it wasn't coming hot on the heels of the dreadful farce that was the Calzaghe-Manfredo card...
Re: Millenium Stadium Running Order
Thanks m8steve689 wrote:Not sure how this determines the TV schedule (due to start at 8.15) and more quantity than quality, but here it is anyway:
allegedly allegedly In Association with INTERNATIONAL ENTERTAINMENT
Proudly Present
WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP BOXING
Saturday 3rd November 2007
RUNNING ORDER
Stadium gates open at 7.30pm
There will be no admittance into the Stadium after 10.30pm
Fight # 1 - 20.15pm
4 X 3 Minute Rounds Light-Heavyweight Contest
HARRY MILES V MARK PHILLIPS
Fight # 2
8 X 3 Minute Rounds Super-Middleweight Contest
NATHAN CLEVERLY V JOEY VEGAS
Fight # 3
4 X 3 Minute Rounds Light-Heavyweight Contest
TONY BELLEW V ADAM WILCOX
Fight # 4
6 X 3 Minute Rounds Super Featherweight Contest
RICKY BURNS V YOUSEF AL HAMIDI
Fight # 5
6 X 3 Minute Rounds Middleweight Contest
KERRY HOPE V ERNIE SMITH
Fight # 6 - 22.30pm
6 X 3 Minute Rounds International Middleweight Contest
THOMAS POLLSEN V LEE NOBLE
Fight # 7
8 X 3 Minute Rounds Light-Welterweight Contest
BARRIE JONES V TBA
Fight # 8
6 X 3 Minute Rounds International Cruiserweight Contest
ANDERS HUGGER V HASTINGS RASANI
Fight # 9 - 24.10pm
THE WBO WORLD CRUISERWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
12 X 3 Minute Rounds at 14st 4lb
ENZO MACCARINELLI V MOHAMED AZZAOUI
Fight # 10
4 X 3 Minute Rounds Light-Welterweight Contest
JAMIE COX V DAVID KIRK
Fight # 11 - 01.25am
THE WBO, WBC AND WBA WORLD SUPER-MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIPS
12 X 3 Minute Rounds at 12st
JOE CALZAGHE V MIKKEL KESSLER
OPPONENTS, FIGHT TIMINGS AND LINE UP ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE
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HairyBoxe24
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This bill is an absolute disgrace. Theres only 1 competitive bout out of about 12 and the rest are just glorified sparring sessions. Obviously its hard to complain about the likes of Bellew and Jamie Cox getting easy fights but decent fighters like ex European, commonwealth and British title challenger Ricky Burns is going up against someone with a 2-4-1 record. Its not even a contest. And the majority of knowledgable boxing fans havent even heard of Enzo Mac's opponent.
Warren has had months to get good fighters in and provide the paying fans with an entertaining undercard but once again his greed has spoiled a potentially superb night for British Boxing. Of course if the main event is a great fight it'll all be forgotten and he'll get away with it yet again.
I hate to keep comparing boxing with MMA but one of the main reasons it is currently successful is because the majority of fights are between well matched opponents and that is what people want to see. Real fights, not big names fighting nobodies to pad their records.
Warren has had months to get good fighters in and provide the paying fans with an entertaining undercard but once again his greed has spoiled a potentially superb night for British Boxing. Of course if the main event is a great fight it'll all be forgotten and he'll get away with it yet again.
I hate to keep comparing boxing with MMA but one of the main reasons it is currently successful is because the majority of fights are between well matched opponents and that is what people want to see. Real fights, not big names fighting nobodies to pad their records.
