The results are in!
Eight more fighters have been elected to the Boxrec Hall of Fame. Panama Al Brown,Charley Burley,Marcel Cerdan,Jake LaMotta,Reuben Olivares,Carlos Ortiz,Dick Tiger, and Carlos Zarate were all elected.
14 members voted. 10 votes were needed for election.
Burley,Cerdan,and Olivares all received 11 votes.
Brown,LaMotta,Ortiz,Tiger, and Zarate all received 10 votes.
The rest of the voting is as follows:
9 Votes
Kid Chocolate
Tommy Loughran
8 Votes
George Dixon
Kid Gavilan
7 Votes
Harold Johnson
Jimmy Mc Larnin
Packy McFarland
Michael Spinks
Barbadoes Joe Walcott
Les Darcy
Carmen Basilio
6 Votes
Tiger Flowers
Aaron Pryor
Duillo Loi
5 Votes
Gene Fullmer
Fighting Harada
Antonio Cervantes
Khaosai Galaxy
Pascual Perez
4 Votes
Johnny Kilbane
Vincente Saldivar
Tommy Ryan
Nicolino Locche
3 Votes
Jimmy Barry
Tommy Gibbons
Kid McCoy
Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
Pancho Villa
Cocoa Kid
Holman Williams
Floyd Patterson
Lloyd Marshall
2 Votes
Jack Dillon
Jim Driscoll
John Henry Lewis
Miguel Canto
Fritzie Zivic
Jack Britton
Ted Kid Lewis
Mike McCallum
Mauro Mina
Eddie Booker
Chang Jung-Koo
Ken Buchanan
Nonpariel Jack Dempsey
1 Vote
Young Corbett III
Mike Gibbons
Freddie Miller
Young Stribling
Luis Rodriguez
Billy Graham
Lew Jenkins
Fidel LaBarba
Rinty Monaghan
James J. Corbett
Peter Jackson
Jose Caratolli
Sixto Escobar
Ismael Laguna
Eduardo Lausse
Rafael Merentino
Pedro Montanez
Angel Rodriquez
Prof. Mike Donovan
Jeff Fenech
Beau Jack
Battling Nelson
Maxsie Rosenbloom
Freddie Welsh
Ad Wolgast
Kid Norfolk
Jack MacAuliffe
Bob Montgomery
Manuel Ortiz
Tony Zale
Thanks to Seamus,Borinken25,Expug,Socdolager,Ezzard,Martin Sosa Cameron,p4p1,Decagon,Minotauro,Sexual Harrassment Panda, Boxbuzz, boxscribe, and Taverner for voting.
Once again, this was a lot of fun.
Boxrec Hall of Fame Results (November 2007)
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Ambling Alp
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pundit
- Heavyweight
Not to forget Carmen Basilio. He fell short by one vote in round 3.Ezzard wrote:I'll add to Seamus' post and say that Dixon adn Loughran have been on the cusp for too long now.
The early rounds of HOF voting were good fun and interesting, but now that most obvious superstars have been voted in, the voting rounds have taken on a different dynamic and the results are not easy to interpret.
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Ambling Alp
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Just have a few comments.
It was nice to see more people voting this time. Of course it would also be nice to see more the regulars on the forum vote. Even though most of the guys that you vote for on a given ballot won't make it, it's still pretty fun.
The fighters that were voted in this past election (#7) were certainly worthy. They all had decent support in earlier rounds, so none were huge surprises.
Tommy Lougran and Kid Chocolate just missed it again. It's the 2nd time in a row that Loughran missed it by one vote, and the 4th time in a row that Kid Chocolate missed it by one vote.
Usually when someone comes close in one election, he will eventually make it again soon, but you never know.
I looked back at the 3rd election that we did. Michael Spinks and Aaron Pryior missed by one vote! Neither have come that close again. On the other hand, Lou Ambers had only 3 votes out 17 in the 3rd election. However, he got elected in the 4th election!
It seems that one variable is that we don't know is if the people that aren't voting for a particular fighter are seriously considering that person the next time or not. For example, some people feel very strongly that Spinks, Packy McFarland, and John L Sullivan should make it and they always get some votes but not enough. It seems that the people who haven't been voting for these guys don't have them on their radar because they haven't been voting for them in subsequent rounds.
Personally, I think that Michael Spinks has been the most overlooked fighter that hasn't made it. I have been voting for him since the very first round. Besides Fighting Harada, he is the only fighter who you can seriously argue was the best fighter of one of the 8 major weight classes who hasn't made it yet. I find it mind boggling that people continue to vote for 25 guys ahead of Spinks.
There has been some comments of the lack of 19th century fighters elected yet. After 7 elections, I think those comments are becoming more valid.
49 fighters have now been elected. I believe only 3 fought much before the 1900 (Fitsimmons,Jeffries, and McGovern) and even they had a significant part of there career after 1900.
I know a lot of people either don't have much respect for fighters from that long ago or just aren't familiar with them. However, the truly great fighters from the 1880's and 1890's like Tommy Ryan, Nonpariel Jack Dempsey, John L. Sullivan and George Dixon should be strongly considered the next time that we vote.
Overall, the voting has been pretty good. There hasn't been a ridiculaus amount of heavyweights voted in. In fact, none made it this last round. There have also been fighters from several countries voted in.
Outside of the 1880's and 1890's, there has been atleast decent representation from all of the other eras.
It was nice to see more people voting this time. Of course it would also be nice to see more the regulars on the forum vote. Even though most of the guys that you vote for on a given ballot won't make it, it's still pretty fun.
The fighters that were voted in this past election (#7) were certainly worthy. They all had decent support in earlier rounds, so none were huge surprises.
Tommy Lougran and Kid Chocolate just missed it again. It's the 2nd time in a row that Loughran missed it by one vote, and the 4th time in a row that Kid Chocolate missed it by one vote.
Usually when someone comes close in one election, he will eventually make it again soon, but you never know.
I looked back at the 3rd election that we did. Michael Spinks and Aaron Pryior missed by one vote! Neither have come that close again. On the other hand, Lou Ambers had only 3 votes out 17 in the 3rd election. However, he got elected in the 4th election!
It seems that one variable is that we don't know is if the people that aren't voting for a particular fighter are seriously considering that person the next time or not. For example, some people feel very strongly that Spinks, Packy McFarland, and John L Sullivan should make it and they always get some votes but not enough. It seems that the people who haven't been voting for these guys don't have them on their radar because they haven't been voting for them in subsequent rounds.
Personally, I think that Michael Spinks has been the most overlooked fighter that hasn't made it. I have been voting for him since the very first round. Besides Fighting Harada, he is the only fighter who you can seriously argue was the best fighter of one of the 8 major weight classes who hasn't made it yet. I find it mind boggling that people continue to vote for 25 guys ahead of Spinks.
There has been some comments of the lack of 19th century fighters elected yet. After 7 elections, I think those comments are becoming more valid.
49 fighters have now been elected. I believe only 3 fought much before the 1900 (Fitsimmons,Jeffries, and McGovern) and even they had a significant part of there career after 1900.
I know a lot of people either don't have much respect for fighters from that long ago or just aren't familiar with them. However, the truly great fighters from the 1880's and 1890's like Tommy Ryan, Nonpariel Jack Dempsey, John L. Sullivan and George Dixon should be strongly considered the next time that we vote.
Overall, the voting has been pretty good. There hasn't been a ridiculaus amount of heavyweights voted in. In fact, none made it this last round. There have also been fighters from several countries voted in.
Outside of the 1880's and 1890's, there has been atleast decent representation from all of the other eras.