I think some people watched a different Hatton fight to me

Carbo · Post by **Carbo** » 16 Dec 2007, 04:48

From where I was sitting, Hatton was schooled. He looked to have got his tactics wrong and was getting caught consistently from the first seconds of the first round. I gave Hatton two rounds all night.

I think Cortez's referreeing was definitely biased (not intentionally, but his interpretation and application of the laws meant he was ipso facto biased toward Mayweather), and the more a read here from respected posters, the more I believe it did have an effect.

But there is no way on Earth that version of Hatton was going to beat Mayweather if everything was above board.

Frankly, I was desperately disappointed with Hatton, and his performance and style during the fight confirmed in my mind that he has slid, in terms of technique and cardio fitness, over the last several years.

I was shocked this morning, therefore, to see Ben Cohen say this on secondsout.com

"Hatton’s ardent believers reasoned that that the ‘Hit Man’ had the style to give Mayweather his worst nightmare. Hatton would apply too much pressure, throw too many punches, and be too strong for the champion. There were no claims that Hatton was the better fighter, just that he had the perfect tools to open up the airtight Mayweather defence, and eek out a close decision or possibly score a late TKO.

And there was a large element of truth to those assessments as well.

Hatton gave Mayweather the toughest fight of his life, applying pressure that no other fighter had managed to do effectively (with the possible exception of Jose Luis Castillo)."

I'm sorry, but did I miss something? Hatton's style meant it was never going to be pleasant for Mayweather, but there was not a single moment in that fight when I thought Mayweather was going to score anything other than a resounding win.

Cohen then proceeds to claim the fight was balanced on a knife edge until the 9th, which is patently wrong -- both in terms of the actual scoring and the flow of the fight.

"Hatton was still in the fight though, and a good argument could be made that he was ahead after the 7th."

Which is why I asked in the title of this thread "were some people watching a different fight to me."

Below is a link to Cohen's article in full, and I'd be interested to know how many agree, in broad terms, with his view, and how many believe that a more even handed referreeing performance could have seen a cigarette paper thin decision, or even a Hatton win?

http://www.secondsout.com/headlines/ind ... 2&cs=23457

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 16 Dec 2007, 05:05

i've scored it a few times now and each time i've had it different in those first 7 rds.

it was competitive for 7 rds. was mayweather at all bothered by the pressure? no.

i ain't really bashed hatton for last week cos i didn't think it was a total wipeout.

mayweather just showed his class when it mattered and was a bit too much for hatton.

no disgrace in that.

STP · Post by **STP** » 16 Dec 2007, 05:16

I knew after one round that Hatton wasn't going to win. He wasn't getting his shots off.

Sammy Mendelson · Post by **Sammy Mendelson** » 16 Dec 2007, 06:11

In my eyes, Cohen is wrong.

Ricky did as well as most experts predicted and no better. It was always a big ask and, in my opinion, the best realistic result was for him to lose without getting ruined. He did that; however, the fight was not close.

Carbo · Post by **Carbo** » 16 Dec 2007, 07:13

STP wrote:I knew after one round that Hatton wasn't going to win. He wasn't getting his shots off.

Ditto. I've said here before that I felt confident that Hatton wouldn't win after literally a minute or so.

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 16 Dec 2007, 07:21

hitman_hatton1 wrote:i've scored it a few times now and each time i've had it different in those first 7 rds.

You clearly don't know how to score a fight then.

StepinFetchit · Post by **StepinFetchit** » 16 Dec 2007, 07:34

Southpaw Stylist wrote:
hitman_hatton1 wrote:i've scored it a few times now and each time i've had it different in those first 7 rds.
You clearly don't know how to score a fight then.

Bang on, he was obviously a Hatton fan boy that lets his emotions get in the way....he's also probably trying to look at the screen sideways or with a squint to make it look less one sided than it was.

StepinFetchit · Post by **StepinFetchit** » 16 Dec 2007, 07:35

Sammy Mendelson wrote:In my eyes, Cohen is wrong.

Ricky did as well as most experts predicted and no better. It was always a big ask and, in my opinion, the best realistic result was for him to lose without getting ruined. He did that; however, the fight was not close.

No....Hatton DID get ruined.

Eraserhead · Post by **Eraserhead** » 16 Dec 2007, 07:47

Mayweather was uncomfortable for a couple of rounds, but quickly adjusted. Even in the rounds Mayweather looked uncomfortable, he still landed the better, cleaner shots. Overall, Hatton was second-best in most if not all the rounds.

Hatton loses 99 times out of 100 against Mayweather. Maybe even all 100.

T.M.K · Post by **T.M.K** » 16 Dec 2007, 07:48

Hatton was still in the fight??

From memory I had Hatton behind by 8 points after 9 rounds (I think I gave him one round, and scored one even, then take the point off)....... so how he was still in it is beyond me.

Best wishes,

T.M.K

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 16 Dec 2007, 08:08

think back to the replays of thedecent shots landed..when did we see mayweathers head jolted back by a power shot...perhaps once ?

hattons head was on a bloody elastic band, getting bounced all night, hatton was definately schooled in there...

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 16 Dec 2007, 08:33

This is how I had it:

1 - 10-9 Mayweather - a slowish start, Hatton seemed to rock Mayweather with his first punch and I even wondered if Mayweather was going to get taken out early (it late emerged Ricky missed and Mayweather stumbled over Hattons leg). Mayweather landed more cleaner punches but didn't do a great deal. However I thought it could be the sort of round the judges if favouring the more popular Hatton may give the other way.

2. 10-9 Mayweather - where is Mr PRessure, AKA Mr Hatton? Dirty action, Ricky trying to grab, Mayweather holding on the inside. All the clean punches are coming from Floyd though, Ricky has some scrappy work

3. 10-9 Mayweather - I remember Mayweather outlanded Ricky and did the better work in this round. Was it this round or round 5 Hatton landed the left hook to the body? I forget but when that happened, Mayweather dropped his right over his body, moved his right hand side of the body directly opposite Hatton so it was unreachable then fought back enough to keep ricky off him and and showed opening for ricky to throw the right instead of the left

4. 10-9 Mayweather - very good mayweather round

5 10-9 Hatton - Ricky finally gets some momentum and finally shows the pressure he promised, definately a round for Ricky

6 10-9 Hatton - Ricky keeps the momentum, he has to eat leather but he is outworking Mayweather in 2 rounds in a row. At this point I thought, I have it 4-2 to Mayweather but the judges may have given a couple of extra early rounds to Hatton meaning Hatton could be 2 up and he has the momentum so he could edge this 1

7 10-9 Mayweather - the pendulum swings back to Floyd in close but clear round

8 10-9 Mayweather - big round to Mayweather, hurts Ricky who seems to be running out of ideas. A KO was possible in this round

9 10-9 Mayweather - Mayweather is upping the pace and outlanding Mr Pressure with ease. Hatton has run out of ideas and even a judge biased to Hatton will have it wide to Mayweather who we could tell would win the next few rounds.

10 Mayweather KO - Ricky completely out of ideas is lunging in recklesly with his hands down and gets clocked

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 16 Dec 2007, 10:26

I think Carol Hattons face showed how the fight was going - Having seen the replay less tired and more sober IMO Hatton was behind before the point was deducted - Ricky fought bravely but defended badly, was too upright (until he wasnt in the 10th that is) and seemed to be getting nowhere - He was far better two/three years ago and I think his lifestyle has finally caught up with him - What a dilemma, struggles to make LW but against the best he struggles at welter to win fights, with very a close win and a loss - The Ricky who fought Tzsyu may well have beaten Mayweather - He was brilliant back then but all the gaining and shedding weight since is knackering his body - The next step for him is crucial if he wants to end his career on top - There doesnt seem to be too many opportunities for him - He has again said no to a Witter fight, and DLH or Cotto are stupid to think about unless he is prepared to get two losses on his record just for the payday - Gavin Rees another title but little money compared to what he is used to but maybe as a confidence builder and a home fight for his loyal fans - Malinaggi looks the best bet to me for ending on a high note at 30 which I think is the age at which he plans to retire.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 16 Dec 2007, 10:30

Hatton was Mayweather's slave, Hatton wasn't as competitive as made out.

Hatton only won the 5th because Floyd took a breather but still didn't take many shots.

thaibox uk · Post by **thaibox uk** » 16 Dec 2007, 11:35

Just seen the fight for the first time and must say Hatton looked
clueless from the beginning, He was charging in like a novice hence his head bouncing like a ragdoll with every clean shot Mayweather landed.
The referee was shocking though Ricky was never gonna win with such crude tactics.
I,m a big fan of Hattons but that was a career shortener and I really can,t see where he goes from here?

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 16 Dec 2007, 12:33

Mayweather won at a canter for me.

Apart from being wobbled, when probably off-balance in the 1st, it was plain sailing for Floyd IMO.

StepinFetchit · Post by **StepinFetchit** » 16 Dec 2007, 12:59

Syntax Error wrote:Mayweather won at a canter for me.

Apart from being wobblec, when probably off-balance in the 1st, it was plain sailg for Floyd IMO.

Someone had this slow motion gif on another site, Hatton didn't even connect Mayweather with a punch and you can clearly see Hatton's feet get inbetween Mayweathers.

The really funny thing is how ODLH jump out of his seat & nearly hits the roof shouting for Hatton to come forward.

chesh · Post by **chesh** » 16 Dec 2007, 13:32

When Mayweather connected with 3 or 4 lead right hands in about the last twenty seconds of the first round, I think the writing was on the wall. It was the worst Hatton performance I can recall and, unfortunately, it came against his best ever opponent. Taking nothing away from Mayweather, it wasn't just his talent that made Ricky look bad. Ricky WAS bad on the night: no head movement, no lateral movement, no decent work to the body, poor stamina (he looked knackered from about the third or fourth round).

ArtOfWar · Post by **ArtOfWar** » 16 Dec 2007, 16:57

I think round 5 was the only round that Hatton took clearly and it looked as though Mayweather just took that round off. Apart from that Hatton was always struggling to land anything clean. He didn't take a huge beating, but he lost almost every round.

Carbo · Post by **Carbo** » 16 Dec 2007, 17:45

ArtOfWar wrote:I think round 5 was the only round that Hatton took clearly and it looked as though Mayweather just took that round off. Apart from that Hatton was always struggling to land anything clean. He didn't take a huge beating, but he lost almost every round.

Personally, juding from my one viewing of the fight, I gave Hatton the third and the fifth. That's it.

I really don't see what these people who had Hatton ahead going into the 8th saw. I simply don't. In terms of clean punches landed and effective aggression, Mayweather was streets ahead, no?

SticknMove · Post by **SticknMove** » 16 Dec 2007, 18:05

Carbo wrote:
ArtOfWar wrote:I think round 5 was the only round that Hatton took clearly and it looked as though Mayweather just took that round off. Apart from that Hatton was always struggling to land anything clean. He didn't take a huge beating, but he lost almost every round.
Personally, juding from my one viewing of the fight, I gave Hatton the third and the fifth. That's it.

I really don't see what these people who had Hatton ahead going into the 8th saw. I simply don't. In terms of clean punches landed and effective aggression, Mayweather was streets ahead, no?

Beer tinted glasses.

On the night I thought Hatton was well in the fight at the half way stage. The second viewing I only gave him 2 rounds and they were the only ones I could give him in the whole fight. It happens when you're partisan and really want someone to win.

ALI · Post by **ALI** » 17 Dec 2007, 04:24

Carbo wrote:Ditto. I've said here before that I felt confident that Hatton wouldn't win after literally a minute or so.

I felt exactly the same, it became quickly apparant to me that Hatton was in over his head. After the first 2 or 3 rounds i was just hoping Hatton could manage to win a round or two to keep his credability in tact.

I was as shocked as the author of this thread was when i read Cohen's piece on Second's Out. Being a first first rate website as they are, to say i was dissapointed that they ran an article of shuch utter bollocks is an understatement of mega proportions. I do not know how anyone could have scored the fight even romote'ly close. I am sure Cohen must have watched the fight with HBO commentary, and obviously been influenced by it! They also proclaimed Hatton was giving Mayweather the fight of his life, that they had never seen Mayweather under such presssure etc etc and Eddie Goldmans card had Hatton ahead after 6 (i think!). Rediculous!!!

E · Post by E » 17 Dec 2007, 04:36

The referree was appalling and stopped RIcky from fighting his fight. Whilst it may not have changedthe result, it definitely made the job nigh-on impossible for Hatton.

Mayweather was dirty as hell, and broke a lot of rules without being pulled up on it - elbows, holding, ducking below the waist, and turning his back.

Whilst Ricky did not fight his best fight, I do think that in the UK with a UK ref there may well have been a different fight.

Hatton had his best weapon taken away from him - infighting. And tactically this made it very hard for him to win.

dbf · Post by **dbf** » 17 Dec 2007, 05:34

I only gave Hatton the 5th, and as has been already said, I though Mayweather took the round off.

Mayweather essentially beat Ricky at his own game, and the bully got bullied. It was interesting to see Ricky get disheartend so quickly when he realised Floyd was ready to match him with the rough stuff.

A lot was said about Hattons stamina "Mr Pressure!" "the energiser bunny" etc. But What about Maywethers? He looked as fresh in the tenth as he did in the first, and I think that his strenght and conditioning genuinely surprised him.

Greg Nicholas · Post by **Greg Nicholas** » 17 Dec 2007, 05:39

Definitely think it was a case of the bully getting bullied.. Hatton is an arrogant (somewhat deluded) guy who seems desperate to be liked and has mainly attracted the thuggiest of yobs, and he's not afraid to trash talk and sometimes struggles to hide malice.. in the MEN days, his whole thing was based on bullying his opponents around the ring because they were usually blown up lightweights while he was 155-160 with powerful legs, hard bodyshots and grappling/shoving ability..