most ferocious boxer

bbjc · Post by **bbjc** » 24 Dec 2007, 20:59

Who would you guys regard as the 10 or 20 most ferocious fighters of all time - guys you would fear for your life fighting against that really got there opponents intimidated before the fight began. Doesn't matter if the certain fighters were exposed later in there career eg Tyson but in there prime probably before defeat

Penut · Post by **Penut** » 24 Dec 2007, 21:45

Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.

The_Columbian · Post by **The_Columbian** » 24 Dec 2007, 22:39

gambleer · Post by **gambleer** » 24 Dec 2007, 22:57

Freitas when he beat Anatoly Alexandrov.

Asterix · Post by **Asterix** » 24 Dec 2007, 23:24

You said it. Mike Tyson. Especially when you know he has a habit of biting.

MEISINGER · Post by **MEISINGER** » 24 Dec 2007, 23:31

roberto duran at 135 one word describes this version

SCARRY

Scizzle123 · Post by **Scizzle123** » 25 Dec 2007, 00:01

Ruberto Duran 135 definitly...Scary
Mike Tyson Prime 20 years old
Sonny Liston Scary
Salvador Sanchez ferocious
Jack Dempsey Def scary

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 25 Dec 2007, 00:27

Guys that play the bully , bad ass role dont really scare a good pro.
Its the real pro the fighters fighter , the guy who can do it all in the ring and is in great shape that will keep you up nights.
Your wondering "Am I training hard enough?" should I be doing more? I know hes gonna come in ready to go twenty freakin rounds.
A guy like Harold Johnson comes to mind.What a pro.
Fritzie Zivic , bust ya up bend the rules.
Some of those Philly middlewights also.
Hart
Briscoe
Watts
Monroe
Dont even think about gettin in the ring with them if your not ready to go to War.
Thats my take anyway.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 25 Dec 2007, 01:48

Expug wrote:Guys that play the bully , bad ass role dont really scare a good pro.
Its the real pro the fighters fighter , the guy who can do it all in the ring and is in great shape that will keep you up nights.
Your wondering "Am I training hard enough?" should I be doing more? I know hes gonna come in ready to go twenty freakin rounds.
A guy like Harold Johnson comes to mind.What a pro.
Fritzie Zivic , bust ya up bend the rules.
Some of those Philly middlewights also.
Hart
Briscoe
Watts
Monroe
Dont even think about gettin in the ring with them if your not ready to go to War.
Thats my take anyway.

A lot of (good) fighters were afraid of Joe Louis.

Joe Gans was feared.

So was Sam Langford (ask Jack Johnson).

.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 25 Dec 2007, 02:01

Guys that play the bully , bad ass role dont really scare a good pro.
Its the real pro the fighters fighter , the guy who can do it all in the ring and is in great shape that will keep you up nights.
Your wondering "Am I training hard enough?" should I be doing more? I know hes gonna come in ready to go twenty freakin rounds.
A guy like Harold Johnson comes to mind.What a pro.

Marciano comes to mind as well when it comes to conditioning; unbelievable stamina and endurance that man had, was almost hard for most of his opponents to match the work rate he put into his fights.

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 25 Dec 2007, 03:20

Expug wrote:Guys that play the bully , bad ass role dont really scare a good pro.
Its the real pro the fighters fighter , the guy who can do it all in the ring and is in great shape that will keep you up nights.
Your wondering "Am I training hard enough?" should I be doing more? I know hes gonna come in ready to go twenty freakin rounds.
A guy like Harold Johnson comes to mind.What a pro.
Fritzie Zivic , bust ya up bend the rules.
Some of those Philly middlewights also.
Hart
Briscoe
Watts
Monroe
Dont even think about gettin in the ring with them if your not ready to go to War.
Thats my take anyway.

Your right on that score pal. The guy that has to stare you down or trash talk you is compensating for some doubt that he has about his own courage. Liston,Tyson,can't stand guys like that. Too many fighters fell for their shit and got psyched out.

Throw in Carmen Basilio. He was a Marine in WW II(saw a lot more scary stuff in the South Pacific than he did in a boxing ring.) From what I read about Harry Greb,he didn't sound like no pansy either. I'd hang around Archie Moore at his boy's club. He told me he was worried about Foreman when he fought Ali. He told me if Foreman didn't get him early he would come apart. Ol' Arch was right.

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 25 Dec 2007, 03:22

HomicideHenry wrote:
Guys that play the bully , bad ass role dont really scare a good pro.
Its the real pro the fighters fighter , the guy who can do it all in the ring and is in great shape that will keep you up nights.
Your wondering "Am I training hard enough?" should I be doing more? I know hes gonna come in ready to go twenty freakin rounds.
A guy like Harold Johnson comes to mind.What a pro.
Marciano comes to mind as well when it comes to conditioning; unbelievable stamina and endurance that man had, was almost hard for most of his opponents to match the work rate he put into his fights.

Didn't see your reply HH. Marciano---one tough dago. Another guy just came to mind. Irish Bob Murphy. He didn't like Italians. Once tried to pick a fight with Marciano in a restaurant. Broke LaMotta's rib.

Frank Dracman · Post by **Frank Dracman** » 25 Dec 2007, 05:05

Tony Ayala Jr.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 25 Dec 2007, 09:33

dagosd2000 wrote:
Expug wrote:Guys that play the bully , bad ass role dont really scare a good pro.
Its the real pro the fighters fighter , the guy who can do it all in the ring and is in great shape that will keep you up nights.
Your wondering "Am I training hard enough?" should I be doing more? I know hes gonna come in ready to go twenty freakin rounds.
A guy like Harold Johnson comes to mind.What a pro.
Fritzie Zivic , bust ya up bend the rules.
Some of those Philly middlewights also.
Hart
Briscoe
Watts
Monroe
Dont even think about gettin in the ring with them if your not ready to go to War.
Thats my take anyway.
Your right on that score pal. The guy that has to stare you down or trash talk you is compensating for some doubt that he has about his own courage. Liston,Tyson,can't stand guys like that. Too many fighters fell for their shit and got psyched out.

Throw in Carmen Basilio. He was a Marine in WW II(saw a lot more scary stuff in the South Pacific than he did in a boxing ring.) From what I read about Harry Greb,he didn't sound like no pansy either. I'd hang around Archie Moore at his boy's club. He told me he was worried about Foreman when he fought Ali. He told me if Foreman didn't get him early he would come apart. Ol' Arch was right.

Great call on Carmen.
As soon as that contract to fight him is signed , its gonna be on his opponents mind night and day how much this guy is a warrior who brings it nonstop.

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 25 Dec 2007, 09:52

Michael Moorer at light heavyweight.

jimglen · Post by **jimglen** » 25 Dec 2007, 10:07

there were a lot of relentlous fighters, if they weren't intimidating enough in the knock out sense, Dempsey, Louis, Liston, Frasier, Forman, Tyson some were perhaps feared even more because of as already mentioned you knew you were in for a fight...Greb, Basilio as mentioned, Gene Fulmer, Freddie Mills, guys you could hit allnight long and they wouldn't stop coming at yah, LaMotta, Sam Langford, Henry Armstrong and God knows how many fighters from the turn of the century...

just out & out Hardmen, British fighter Jack 'cast iron' Casey was another, just too many to rule out, little Eric Boon. Today and I'm not saying he'll end up elite class, but he's a bull dog box/fighter always coming forward - tough as they come Alfonzo Gomez, I'd like to see him in some more high profile fights.

that's why fighters, especially in the past paid little attention to Ratings and who the Belt holders were, because ALL honest & noted fighters knew that on any given night it could easily be the other fella's night!

observer1 · Post by **observer1** » 25 Dec 2007, 12:54

Tyson,

Wouldn't fear for your life, but knew he could cause some serious damage. A lot more than other boxers

Onekrazyrican · Post by **Onekrazyrican** » 25 Dec 2007, 13:32

damned James Butler!

Ide even be afraid to beat him up

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 25 Dec 2007, 14:49

Expug wrote:
Great call on Carmen.
As soon as that contract to fight him is signed , its gonna be on his opponents mind night and day how much this guy is a warrior who brings it nonstop.

Robinson refused to fight Basilio a third time unless he (Robinson) got all the money.
(Robinson's way of avoiding the match).

Basilio hated Robinson with a passion for that.

It was Robinson who went to the hospital after their second fight even though he got the decision.

Gene Fullmer got a tiny amount of money for beating Robinson and winning the middleweight title.

Robinson was great at the negotiating table.

theHitman · Post by **theHitman** » 25 Dec 2007, 18:48

It is probably different from person to person, but I cannot perceive a person under 150 pounds as ferocious - unless he wields a big bread knife or a gun at least.

As such it would have to be Tyson.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 25 Dec 2007, 19:00

theHitman wrote:It is probably different from person to person, but I cannot perceive a person under 150 pounds as ferocious - unless he wields a big bread knife or a gun at least.

As such it would have to be Tyson.

The most dangerous people in the history of the world have been "small."

Hitler, Napoleon

A guy I know who spent half of his life in prison told me the only really tough people he came across in his life were 5'8", 5'7" or shorter.

Diamond WEAPON · Post by **Diamond WEAPON** » 25 Dec 2007, 19:02

granberry wrote:
theHitman wrote:It is probably different from person to person, but I cannot perceive a person under 150 pounds as ferocious - unless he wields a big bread knife or a gun at least.

As such it would have to be Tyson.
The most dangerous people in the history of the world have been "small."

Hitler, Napoleon

A guy I know who spent half of his life in prison told me the only really tough people he came across in his life were 5'8", 5'7" or shorter.

Exactly, Ivan Calderon will steal your SOUL!!!

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 25 Dec 2007, 22:32

A couple of guys I wouldn't want to be meeting at ring-center...

George Foreman - Goodnight, Irene for me.
Sonny Liston - That snarl. Nooooo thank you.
Jack Dempsey - For sheer ferocity, the benchmark at Heavyweight.
Roberto Duran - The benchmark period.
Julio Cesar Chavez - Duran re-born.
Mickey Walker - Always came to fight & to hurt.
Bernard Hopkins - Not a very pleasant fellow.

While I am plainly the bigger man in comparison to Duran & Chavez, I don't think that would do my confidence much good

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 26 Dec 2007, 05:08

I don't know why anyone would say Tyson. I would rate Holyfield as more ferocious than Tyson. There's more to being tough than just punching power. Holyfield will never, ever back down. Tyson has a breaking point. And Holyfield is hardly someone who can't hurt you.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 26 Dec 2007, 05:24

Anyone would fear Billygoat Holyfield's butting.

And the fact referees did NOTHING about it in fight after fight.