Jackson Asiku

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 28 Dec 2007, 08:07

Any info on Action jackson? Looked the real deal over here before falling completley off the radar!!

Shouldve checked his record, fought twice in Oz recently. Wasted talent?

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 28 Dec 2007, 08:16

hat's the issue with British promoters. They need to grab a talent when they see it and develop it properly.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 28 Dec 2007, 08:19

Autobarn wrote:hat's the issue with British promoters. They need to grab a talent when they see it and develop it properly.

Was he selling tickets though? From a promoter's point of view that is as important as the raw talent itself.

As a globetrotter with no fixed area to draw support from, where is the value in developing him from a promoter's perspective?

Podmore_Birmingham · Post by **Podmore_Birmingham** » 28 Dec 2007, 08:37

TerribleTerry wrote:Was he selling tickets though? From a promoter's point of view that is as important as the raw talent itself.

As a globetrotter with no fixed area to draw support from, where is the value in developing him from a promoter's perspective?

Jayson Hollier, the Coventry promoter who has fled the country, was going to put him on a show in Rugby last April (Carl Wright undercard) but he literally didn’t sell one ticket. Obviously that doesn’t make good business sense and Jackson, who was based in Rugby, was removed from the card.

Then again, Rob Norton doesn't sell many either and he was put on in an English title fight in Coventry last March. If there were a 100 people at Mercia Park that night then that was all.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 28 Dec 2007, 08:46

Podmore_Birmingham wrote:
TerribleTerry wrote:Was he selling tickets though? From a promoter's point of view that is as important as the raw talent itself.

As a globetrotter with no fixed area to draw support from, where is the value in developing him from a promoter's perspective?
Jayson Hollier, the Coventry promoter who has fled the country, was going to put him on a show in Rugby last April (Carl Wright undercard) but he literally didn’t sell one ticket. Obviously that doesn’t make good business sense and Jackson, who was based in Rugby, was removed from the card.

Then again, Rob Norton doesn't sell many either and he was put on in an English title fight in Coventry last March. If there were a 100 people at Mercia Park that night then that was all.

Good info Tom - nice one mate

When you are based in Rugby and cant sell tickets for a show in Cov, something is badly wrong.

On the subject of Norton, he lost on the Elcock undercard didnt he? Forced abroad to get work by a lack of ticket selling ability. Strange really as the Black Country lads love a good fight/fighter.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 28 Dec 2007, 08:55

I could be wrong but wasn't Norton can't miss amateur?
He never really made the transition to the pros though. Even if he did win the WBU title. Its doesn't count for much.

beagleboy · Post by **beagleboy** » 28 Dec 2007, 08:59

Podmore_Birmingham wrote:
TerribleTerry wrote:Was he selling tickets though? From a promoter's point of view that is as important as the raw talent itself.

As a globetrotter with no fixed area to draw support from, where is the value in developing him from a promoter's perspective?
Jayson Hollier, the Coventry promoter who has fled the country, was going to put him on a show in Rugby last April (Carl Wright undercard) but he literally didn’t sell one ticket. Obviously that doesn’t make good business sense and Jackson, who was based in Rugby, was removed from the card.

Then again, Rob Norton doesn't sell many either and he was put on in an English title fight in Coventry last March. If there were a 100 people at Mercia Park that night then that was all.

Tom
Why has Hollier fled the country?

Podmore_Birmingham · Post by **Podmore_Birmingham** » 28 Dec 2007, 09:05

beagleboy wrote:Tom
Why has Hollier fled the country?

He owes people a lot of money. Although he was a multi-millionaire, Hollier was extravagant with his money – owning two of the biggest hotels in Coventry and Rugby. He also used to put on boxing shows that were not well attended; hence his money depleted fast.

I believe he is somewhere in southern Spain.

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 28 Dec 2007, 09:31

Sky are also reluctant to show foreign imports etc.. unless they fight brits so its difficult to get them TV dates when they're as good as jackson was.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 28 Dec 2007, 11:43

TerribleTerry wrote:
Autobarn wrote:hat's the issue with British promoters. They need to grab a talent when they see it and develop it properly.
Was he selling tickets though? From a promoter's point of view that is as important as the raw talent itself.

As a globetrotter with no fixed area to draw support from, where is the value in developing him from a promoter's perspective?

didn't see any major effort to sell Asiku to the British viewers.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 28 Dec 2007, 11:48

Yeas British promoters regularly miss foreign talent.

Loads of top Africans and Russians fought over here and cast aside only to go on to win major honours...

off the top of my head: Karmazin, Inkin, Joseph Agbeko in the last few years

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 28 Dec 2007, 12:15

Autobarn wrote:
TerribleTerry wrote:
Autobarn wrote:hat's the issue with British promoters. They need to grab a talent when they see it and develop it properly.
Was he selling tickets though? From a promoter's point of view that is as important as the raw talent itself.

As a globetrotter with no fixed area to draw support from, where is the value in developing him from a promoter's perspective?
didn't see any major effort to sell Asiku to the British viewers.

Won by KO1 everytime he was out, didnt he?

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 28 Dec 2007, 12:18

yes, there must be some plonkers out there not being able to market that.

though we have good homegrown talent, they're all behind schedule. shame we can't have both doing well over here.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 28 Dec 2007, 13:02

Autobarn wrote:yes, there must be some plonkers out there not being able to market that.

though we have good homegrown talent, they're all behind schedule. shame we can't have both doing well over here.

Germany manage it ok....

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 28 Dec 2007, 13:12

true, very true. but then again they do bury some of their Russians. But that's better than nothing, which is what we do with our imports.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 28 Dec 2007, 13:21

Autobarn wrote:true, very true. but then again they do bury some of their Russians. But that's better than nothing, which is what we do with our imports.

Germany seems to attract a different sort of punter to their fights though don't they?

I have never been to a German card but the crowds seem to be populated by middle aged men and their wives, something you rarely seen in Britain.

Over here young males who know the boxer either personally or through some form of association (ie football club, local area etc) are the ones who buy tickets. Therefore its difficult for foreign lads, especially those without an ethnic enclave draw from, to make headway.

Its easy to say a promoter should bankroll a fighter based purely on talent/ability even if they can't draw flies to 5hit. But at what point do they start shifting tickets (if ever)?

Its a tough call - I would love to see the likes of Asiku over here but how many would be willing to travel to a venue and buy a ticket to solely see him box? Very few it would seem.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 28 Dec 2007, 13:23

Not many African boxers seem to get a big following over here. Can't really remember any that have sold out places

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 28 Dec 2007, 13:39

Ali Nuumbembe had a huge following, especially during the david Barnes fight from memory.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 28 Dec 2007, 13:46

Wales wrote:Ali Nuumbembe had a huge following, especially during the david Barnes fight from memory.

He based himself out of a caravan within the grounds of a boozer in Glossop (Chad was, I think, the name of the bloke who ran the place/his manager if I remember correctly?) and the locals took to him and got behind him - he is an exception in general terms but reinforced the need to base yourself somewhere exclusively and get your face known locally.

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 28 Dec 2007, 15:26

Yep, chad bought him kit when ali's was lost before the commonwealth games, then housed him out the back of the pub. I think Chads wife is writing a book on ali's life - should be interesting.

beagleboy · Post by **beagleboy** » 28 Dec 2007, 16:21

Podmore_Birmingham wrote:
beagleboy wrote:Tom
Why has Hollier fled the country?
He owes people a lot of money. Although he was a multi-millionaire, Hollier was extravagant with his money – owning two of the biggest hotels in Coventry and Rugby. He also used to put on boxing shows that were not well attended; hence his money depleted fast.

I believe he is somewhere in southern Spain.

Wasn't a promoter from Coventry jailed a while back for drugs offences?

Podmore_Birmingham · Post by **Podmore_Birmingham** » 29 Dec 2007, 04:00

beagleboy wrote:Wasn't a promoter from Coventry jailed a while back for drugs offences?

That was Owen Delargy, who managed Steve Bendall and trained Dougie Walton, Joe McCluskey, Richard Mazurek, John Ruddock, Sean McKervey, etc.

Those fighters, with the exception of Bendall, then went to Pat Cowdell to be trained and managed.

Delargy should be out of prison in 2010.