USA vs. Mexico at San Diego, Calif.
USA vs. Mexico at San Diego, Calif.
Anyone know the line-up for this?
Well - I lied was wrong about the U.S. the team. Pretty much as West Coast lineup. Here's the line up, minus the Mexicans and I have no idea why all 11 Olympic team members aren't participating:
COLORADO SPRINGS, COLO.) – Eleven members of USA Boxing’s National Team will compete in the opening event of 2008, vying in the Battle Across the Border, January 18 at the San Diego Sports Arena in San Diego, Calif. The international dual competition will feature top boxers from both the United States and Mexico as both countries countdown toward the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing, China.
The event, which is being presented by the San Diego International Sports in partnership with USA Boxing will provide an early glimpse of many of the boxers who will be competing for Olympic gold in August in Beijing, China. The U.S. team is highlighted by three members of the 2008 U.S. Olympic boxing team, led by 2007 Pan American Games light flyweight gold medalist Luis Yanez (Duncanville, Texas). He is joined by two Southern California natives, light welterweight Javier Molina (Commerce, Calif.) and middleweight Shawn Estrada (E. Los Angeles, Calif.). It will be a family affair for Molina, who’s twin brother, Oscar, will be representing the Mexican team at the welterweight division.
The Olympic trio will be joined by flyweight Olympic Trials runner-up Qa’id Muhammad (Atlantic City, N.J.); 2007 U.S. Championships bantamweight silver medalist David Clark (San Diego, Calif.); 2006 National PAL featherweight champion Rico Ramos (Los Angeles, Calif.); Olympic Trials lightweight runner-up Miguel Gonzales (Cleveland, Ohio); 2007 National Golden Gloves light heavyweight champion Siju Shabazz (Las Cruces, N.M.); 2006 U.S. Championships heavyweight bronze medalist David Carey (Anchorage, Alaska); and two-time super heavyweight national champion Mike Wilson (Central Point, Ore.).
COLORADO SPRINGS, COLO.) – Eleven members of USA Boxing’s National Team will compete in the opening event of 2008, vying in the Battle Across the Border, January 18 at the San Diego Sports Arena in San Diego, Calif. The international dual competition will feature top boxers from both the United States and Mexico as both countries countdown toward the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing, China.
The event, which is being presented by the San Diego International Sports in partnership with USA Boxing will provide an early glimpse of many of the boxers who will be competing for Olympic gold in August in Beijing, China. The U.S. team is highlighted by three members of the 2008 U.S. Olympic boxing team, led by 2007 Pan American Games light flyweight gold medalist Luis Yanez (Duncanville, Texas). He is joined by two Southern California natives, light welterweight Javier Molina (Commerce, Calif.) and middleweight Shawn Estrada (E. Los Angeles, Calif.). It will be a family affair for Molina, who’s twin brother, Oscar, will be representing the Mexican team at the welterweight division.
The Olympic trio will be joined by flyweight Olympic Trials runner-up Qa’id Muhammad (Atlantic City, N.J.); 2007 U.S. Championships bantamweight silver medalist David Clark (San Diego, Calif.); 2006 National PAL featherweight champion Rico Ramos (Los Angeles, Calif.); Olympic Trials lightweight runner-up Miguel Gonzales (Cleveland, Ohio); 2007 National Golden Gloves light heavyweight champion Siju Shabazz (Las Cruces, N.M.); 2006 U.S. Championships heavyweight bronze medalist David Carey (Anchorage, Alaska); and two-time super heavyweight national champion Mike Wilson (Central Point, Ore.).
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cldempster
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Go to http://www.sdisc.com to see the roster of the fighters who will be in San Diego.
Thank you for those lineups! I really hope the USA will bounce back well after the trip to England. Best of luck to all the boxers, especially Mike Wilson, seems like hes been in tough lately and lost some close fights, but if his opponent is the same guy Hunter beat 21-1 I dont think that will be a problem!cldempster wrote:Go to http://www.sdisc.com to see the roster of the fighters who will be in San Diego.
So much for our Olympians getting much, if any, international experience.Due to injuries to light welterweight Javier Molina (Commerce, Calif.) and Shawn Estrada (E. Los Angeles, Calif.), light welterweight Andre Sherard (Milwaukee, Wis.) and middleweight Shawn Porter (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio) will compete in the event.
Wonder why Shawn and Javier are injured? Neither are prone. 
Actually Mel the USA had three wins as the heavy and super heavys both won their bouts convincingly. Do you not acknowledge them because you don't like that weight class or the individual boxers?boxmel wrote:We lost all but one - and Oscar Molina lost, quite convincingly (looking at the score). Sigh.
USA vs Mexico
Mel, honestly you can not always trust the score! Again, aiba scoring was very questionable for certain bouts. 46-12 36-4, come-on were are guys even there? I was and it may not have been our best night, but the scoring was very questionable. Rico looked like he won every round and they had him down for every round. They all looked tired after a couple of rounds and that had a big factor on the outcome. I don't think that eight days at camp was enough, especially coming back from the holiday season.
Do you think our guys won? If not, then the actual score doesn't really matter.Again, aiba scoring was very questionable for certain bouts. 46-12 36-4, come-on were are guys even there? I was and it may not have been our best night, but the scoring was very questionable.
Yeah - everyone I talked to at Barragan's today said they thought Rico won. Oh well.Rico looked like he won every round and they had him down for every round.
They all looked tired after a couple of rounds
Also heard that - not good.
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squarering
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I am curious to know how the camps are and if the same intensity, focus and energy is being put forth as for our Olympic team. Like Mel, I would wounder why a you would not take advantage of a chance at another international competition when it is in your back door. I do realize that there are probably a lot of factors that play into it, so I won't make any judgments. Although I have tremendous respect for all the boys, the question is, did we have our best there and if not, why? If it is part of the building plan for 2012 I understand, but that would cause me to believe that all of the non-Olympians would be sticking around till then.
I thought the reasoning behind the early selection of our Olympic team was to have the time to get them as much international experience as possible. I have no idea why only one Olympian would participate in the USA-Mexico Dual. And I wonder how many are scheduled for the Puerto Rico Dual? I am not a coach, but it seems to me that our team would be better off with actual competition than a year of "camp."
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It is my understanding that the alternates get the same training and intensity. The differrence is they are only there for a short period. For instance arriving at the OTC on Sunday, train for a week have weekend off and then off to the competition.I am curious to know how the camps are and if the same intensity, focus and energy is being put forth as for our Olympic team.
Shawn injured his knee in training.boxmel wrote:So much for our Olympians getting much, if any, international experience.Due to injuries to light welterweight Javier Molina (Commerce, Calif.) and Shawn Estrada (E. Los Angeles, Calif.), light welterweight Andre Sherard (Milwaukee, Wis.) and middleweight Shawn Porter (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio) will compete in the event.
Re: USA vs Mexico
There is no excuse for boxers at this level to be out of shape due to the holidays. They knew that they were going to be boxing in an international dual and should have been training accordingly.debc wrote:Mel, honestly you can not always trust the score! Again, aiba scoring was very questionable for certain bouts. 46-12 36-4, come-on were are guys even there? I was and it may not have been our best night, but the scoring was very questionable. Rico looked like he won every round and they had him down for every round. They all looked tired after a couple of rounds and that had a big factor on the outcome. I don't think that eight days at camp was enough, especially coming back from the holiday season.
Mel, I am a coach and I agree. The real reason for the early selection was the fact that the qualifiers started early with the World Championships. However, maybe we should continue to select our team throughout the qualifying process as do many of the other countries. If Estrada is injured and not at his best, then send Porter to the next qualifier.boxmel wrote:I thought the reasoning behind the early selection of our Olympic team was to have the time to get them as much international experience as possible. I have no idea why only one Olympian would participate in the USA-Mexico Dual. And I wonder how many are scheduled for the Puerto Rico Dual? I am not a coach, but it seems to me that our team would be better off with actual competition than a year of "camp."
Maybe that was the excuse. In 2004 the Pan Ams were a qualifier and we had the Olympic Trials after that (remember Aaron Garcia and Juan McPherson won the Pam Ams and didn't make the Olympic team?).The real reason for the early selection was the fact that the qualifiers started early with the World Championships.
Trust me, all h*ll would break loose if the Olympic Trials winner was overturned and someone else put in his place. Shawn isn't permanently injured, from what I've heard.If Estrada is injured and not at his best, then send Porter to the next qualifier.
The injury to Shawn is not serious. However, it does effect his mobility slightly. He also has the Trinidad & Tobago qualifier that is around the corner...........boxmel wrote:Maybe that was the excuse. In 2004 the Pan Ams were a qualifier and we had the Olympic Trials after that (remember Aaron Garcia and Juan McPherson won the Pam Ams and didn't make the Olympic team?).The real reason for the early selection was the fact that the qualifiers started early with the World Championships.
Trust me, all h*ll would break loose if the Olympic Trials winner was overturned and someone else put in his place. Shawn isn't permanently injured, from what I've heard.If Estrada is injured and not at his best, then send Porter to the next qualifier.