Cobb was like other martial arts people who then went into boxing.
They are all much the same as boxers.
They are very conscientious about their training and in good shape.
They CAN'T PUNCH at all.
Examples are Randy Tex Cobb, Murray Sutherland.
TEX COBB EARNS COLLEGE DEGREE AT AGE 54!!
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HomicideHenry
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Despite Granberry's remarks about Cobb's style and the like, we already know his history in the ring as a boxer and martial artist, what did that have to do with him getting a degree?
If anything I'd have to say congrats to Cobb, because he is one of very few boxers who were tough enough to stick with academics and try to better themselves after their careers as fighters were essentially done. While others make a living off of who they once were, its refreshing to see Cobb make a transition like that.
For being a tough guy from Texas, he's made a hell of a life for himself. World title challenger, movie actor, now a degree!
If anything I'd have to say congrats to Cobb, because he is one of very few boxers who were tough enough to stick with academics and try to better themselves after their careers as fighters were essentially done. While others make a living off of who they once were, its refreshing to see Cobb make a transition like that.
For being a tough guy from Texas, he's made a hell of a life for himself. World title challenger, movie actor, now a degree!
The degree is the least of Cobb's accomplishments.HomicideHenry wrote:Despite Granberry's remarks about Cobb's style and the like, we already know his history in the ring as a boxer and martial artist, what did that have to do with him getting a degree?
If anything I'd have to say congrats to Cobb, because he is one of very few boxers who were tough enough to stick with academics and try to better themselves after their careers as fighters were essentially done. While others make a living off of who they once were, its refreshing to see Cobb make a transition like that.
For being a tough guy from Texas, he's made a hell of a life for himself. World title challenger, movie actor, now a degree!
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ringsider
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They CAN'T PUNCH at all- ain't that the truth....don't forget about Troy Dorsey too.granberry wrote:Cobb was like other martial arts people who then went into boxing.
They are all much the same as boxers.
They are very conscientious about their training and in good shape.
They CAN'T PUNCH at all.
Examples are Randy Tex Cobb, Murray Sutherland.
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dempseyfire
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Frank Moran (who fought Jack Johnson and Willard for the title)dempseyfire wrote:He got an "honorary" PHD from what I've read, which means he took a few quasi exams and his celebrity did the rest.Red Medicine wrote:That's nothing compared to Wlad's phD, which he got while pursuing a boxing career.
was a dentist.
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ringsider
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That would be a good side profession, you could fix your own teeth after Johnson got done with them.granberry wrote:Frank Moran (who fought Jack Johnson and Willard for the title)dempseyfire wrote:He got an "honorary" PHD from what I've read, which means he took a few quasi exams and his celebrity did the rest.Red Medicine wrote:That's nothing compared to Wlad's phD, which he got while pursuing a boxing career.
was a dentist.
I suggest you see the film of Johnson vs Moran.ringsider wrote:That would be a good side profession, you could fix your own teeth after Johnson got done with them.granberry wrote:Frank Moran (who fought Jack Johnson and Willard for the title)dempseyfire wrote: He got an "honorary" PHD from what I've read, which means he took a few quasi exams and his celebrity did the rest.
was a dentist.
It is easily available.
Johnson was running for his life from Moran as the 20th and final round ended.
It is always better to see for yourself rather than repeat the tired Ken Burns agenda.
Robinson, please explain a little more about that.Robinson wrote:I always liked Cobb he seems like a funny guy.
He is by far a better boxer than kick boxer, having said
that most guys from that era never looked great under those
old full contact rules.
I know you have a mixed martial arts background.
The fighters I knew in Philly always discussed the kick boxing that used to be on TV late at night.
They got a kick out of it.
Full Contact was a way to stop boxers from dominating in 'kickboxing'
essentially you can not kick the legs. You also have to throw atleast 8 kicks per round other wise you get penalised.
youTube > Joe Lewis, Bill wallace, don Wilson, Jerry trimble etc to see these guys in action. It is not as full on as say K-1 or Muay Thai but it was a huge step up on the old point sparring or continuous sparring stuff they had back in the day.
Tex Cobb was better skilled as a boxer, than say a kic boxer, his kicks were very workman like and it was clear that he was a boxer with a blackbelt in karate as opposed to being a black belt who boxed.
Kym
essentially you can not kick the legs. You also have to throw atleast 8 kicks per round other wise you get penalised.
youTube > Joe Lewis, Bill wallace, don Wilson, Jerry trimble etc to see these guys in action. It is not as full on as say K-1 or Muay Thai but it was a huge step up on the old point sparring or continuous sparring stuff they had back in the day.
Tex Cobb was better skilled as a boxer, than say a kic boxer, his kicks were very workman like and it was clear that he was a boxer with a blackbelt in karate as opposed to being a black belt who boxed.
Kym
I love what Don Wilson does. He has a video that demonstrates how to punch--and it is the real Dempsey/Langford technique of the very best puncher.Robinson wrote:Full Contact was a way to stop boxers from dominating in 'kickboxing'
essentially you can not kick the legs. You also have to throw atleast 8 kicks per round other wise you get penalised.
youTube > Joe Lewis, Bill wallace, don Wilson, Jerry trimble etc to see these guys in action. It is not as full on as say K-1 or Muay Thai but it was a huge step up on the old point sparring or continuous sparring stuff they had back in the day.
Tex Cobb was better skilled as a boxer, than say a kic boxer, his kicks were very workman like and it was clear that he was a boxer with a blackbelt in karate as opposed to being a black belt who boxed.
Kym
There are so many divisions of the martial arts I get mixed up between them.
In the kick boxing I mentioned, most of the fighters (other than the top ones you mentioned) got winded very early and their technique deteriorated terribly after the first round. As they got tired they dropped any pretense of trying to kick.
What do you mean by "It is not as full on as say K-1 or Muay Thai " ?
You have to have respect for those guys because they competed in the real world.
In full contact that Cobb and Don Wilson etc competed the kicks were more flicky and karate like.
There were no knees, elbows and kicks to the legs. Plus often they wore padding on there feet as the combatants striked using the flat part of the foot as opposed to the shin. The guys also wore long pants that in some ways padded the leg when the kick impacting on a elbow etc. Bone on Bone hurts.
K-1 you can knee, leg kick but can only clinch and strike one handed, no padding on feet.
Muay Thai is with full knees and full clinching plus elbows. and off course no padding on feet.
Don Wlison did not fare to well when he turned pro as a boxer however.
I would love to get the footage of his fight versus Art Jimmerson.
Vitali Klitschko in Europe fought under the full contact rules which tends to favour a boxer better as you defend against high shots and do not have to worry about leg kicks and knees.
Kym
There were no knees, elbows and kicks to the legs. Plus often they wore padding on there feet as the combatants striked using the flat part of the foot as opposed to the shin. The guys also wore long pants that in some ways padded the leg when the kick impacting on a elbow etc. Bone on Bone hurts.
K-1 you can knee, leg kick but can only clinch and strike one handed, no padding on feet.
Muay Thai is with full knees and full clinching plus elbows. and off course no padding on feet.
Don Wlison did not fare to well when he turned pro as a boxer however.
I would love to get the footage of his fight versus Art Jimmerson.
Vitali Klitschko in Europe fought under the full contact rules which tends to favour a boxer better as you defend against high shots and do not have to worry about leg kicks and knees.
Kym
I have not been able to see any of those boxing matches. I know that he obviously did not fare to well. as it really wasnt his style. He was more of a kicker and counter fighter back in the day, who had a good sliding side kick. I have on VHS hours of Wilson in action, even a few Cobbs ones but I have not watched any of these in years :(
Art Jimmerson dabbled in mixed fights a fare bit, he is most remembered for fighting in UFC 1 against Gracie. I think he challenged Don Wilson in the late 80s, I have only seen photos of the fight no film.
I think Jimmerson also got caught up in UWFi wrestling which also signed Roberto Duran to fight a 'stiff' mixed match against a Japanese wrestler. The trouble with those shows is they are more fake than real and it is hard to sift through the matches.
Art Jimmerson dabbled in mixed fights a fare bit, he is most remembered for fighting in UFC 1 against Gracie. I think he challenged Don Wilson in the late 80s, I have only seen photos of the fight no film.
I think Jimmerson also got caught up in UWFi wrestling which also signed Roberto Duran to fight a 'stiff' mixed match against a Japanese wrestler. The trouble with those shows is they are more fake than real and it is hard to sift through the matches.
I noticed that Don Wilson never jabbed in his matches, because obviously a kick was a better long range blow when it was allowed.Robinson wrote:I have not been able to see any of those boxing matches. I know that he obviously did not fare to well. as it really wasnt his style. He was more of a kicker and counter fighter back in the day, who had a good sliding side kick. I have on VHS hours of Wilson in action, even a few Cobbs ones but I have not watched any of these in years :(
Art Jimmerson dabbled in mixed fights a fare bit, he is most remembered for fighting in UFC 1 against Gracie. I think he challenged Don Wilson in the late 80s, I have only seen photos of the fight no film.
I think Jimmerson also got caught up in UWFi wrestling which also signed Roberto Duran to fight a 'stiff' mixed match against a Japanese wrestler. The trouble with those shows is they are more fake than real and it is hard to sift through the matches.
In boxing he (or any fighter) would need the jab to control the distance,
Maybe that was a problem for him to adapt to.
From what I have seen of him. if a top level boxing person had gotten ahold of him, he could have been a successful boxer.
His jab is like a left round house kick. He would almost hop then throw it. Not powerful, but it was a good measure and set up. You can throw a hook kick or a corss of it when you bring the leg down. Alot different to the jabs mecahnics.
I agree with the right coach he would have been a good LHW. At that time the sport was dominated by martial arts and that sort of training is not as refined nor as 'perfected' as boxing.
I agree with the right coach he would have been a good LHW. At that time the sport was dominated by martial arts and that sort of training is not as refined nor as 'perfected' as boxing.
Kym .
I looked up your mma record .
Congrats on your last fight.
What grappling style is your base?
Any judo background?
There are some good judoka in your part of the world.
Im the judo instructor here.
http://www.fonsecamartialarts.com
Im a nidan.
I boxed pro for a little while .
That bio should say amateur and pro 76-89.
Any videos of your fights around?
Id enjoy checking them out.
Best of luck.
Brian
I always thought listening to Cobb , that he was an intelligent guy.
Im sure there are some that would disagree.
It doesnt surprise me that he has some academic achievements.
However I thought he attended Texas Abilene back in the Seventies.
I looked up your mma record .
Congrats on your last fight.
What grappling style is your base?
Any judo background?
There are some good judoka in your part of the world.
Im the judo instructor here.
http://www.fonsecamartialarts.com
Im a nidan.
I boxed pro for a little while .
That bio should say amateur and pro 76-89.
Any videos of your fights around?
Id enjoy checking them out.
Best of luck.
Brian
I always thought listening to Cobb , that he was an intelligent guy.
Im sure there are some that would disagree.
It doesnt surprise me that he has some academic achievements.
However I thought he attended Texas Abilene back in the Seventies.
Hey mate thanks.
In regards to Cobb he is one of the most recognisable non champions around. Nearly every one knows him, most however are unaware that he is a boxer-kickboxer.
I used to do Judo many years ago, was one of my first arts. My grappling back ground is basically 'mongrel' I train with Greco and freestyle wrestling guys when I can and BJJers when they are available.
I think most online fight records are seldom updated. mine is a bit the same on most sites.
Footage. I have the DVds for only some fights, promoters are very shit in MMA and seldom give you copies. Ive paid more to get my fights than I have in getting my collection of boxing dvds up :P
i dont know how to rip and upload to youtube but i think I featured in a few HL...mostly when I am getting my ass kicked :P
What weight did you box at ?
In regards to Cobb he is one of the most recognisable non champions around. Nearly every one knows him, most however are unaware that he is a boxer-kickboxer.
I used to do Judo many years ago, was one of my first arts. My grappling back ground is basically 'mongrel' I train with Greco and freestyle wrestling guys when I can and BJJers when they are available.
I think most online fight records are seldom updated. mine is a bit the same on most sites.
Footage. I have the DVds for only some fights, promoters are very shit in MMA and seldom give you copies. Ive paid more to get my fights than I have in getting my collection of boxing dvds up :P
i dont know how to rip and upload to youtube but i think I featured in a few HL...mostly when I am getting my ass kicked :P
What weight did you box at ?
Middle/Lightheavy.Robinson wrote:Hey mate thanks.
In regards to Cobb he is one of the most recognisable non champions around. Nearly every one knows him, most however are unaware that he is a boxer-kickboxer.
I used to do Judo many years ago, was one of my first arts. My grappling back ground is basically 'mongrel' I train with Greco and freestyle wrestling guys when I can and BJJers when they are available.
I think most online fight records are seldom updated. mine is a bit the same on most sites.
Footage. I have the DVds for only some fights, promoters are very shit in MMA and seldom give you copies. Ive paid more to get my fights than I have in getting my collection of boxing dvds up :P
i dont know how to rip and upload to youtube but i think I featured in a few HL...mostly when I am getting my ass kicked :P
What weight did you box at ?
Still do some masters Judo tournys at 220 now.Im 47.
I like freestyle wrestling.Never done any Greco, Im told there are some similaraties to Judo. Im not sure.
Recently started working out with a Freestyle club here in Chicago.
Id like to do some tournaments of theirs.
Thankyou.
Both are tough , but boxing is harder in terms of the punishment received.
They really are so differint I guess.
Of course the obvious Grappling vs, striking contrast.
What I cant stand at a Judo comp. is all the standing around waiting to fight.
You may have to fight 6 times in one day.
It gets tedious.
When I came into Judo from boxing , I caught beatings.
But I hung in there and evened it up.
Boxing helped in that I was able to relax and not get too fatigued if that makes sense.
Im not the best Judoka out there and I wasnt the best boxer either.
But I can say that Ive sparred with a couple guys who have fought Tyson , Alfonso Ratliff and James Tillis and Ive fought the world Judo Masters Champion , George Jobb from Canada.
Of course none of that was a picnic but what the heck its all a journey.
Both are tough , but boxing is harder in terms of the punishment received.
They really are so differint I guess.
Of course the obvious Grappling vs, striking contrast.
What I cant stand at a Judo comp. is all the standing around waiting to fight.
You may have to fight 6 times in one day.
It gets tedious.
When I came into Judo from boxing , I caught beatings.
But I hung in there and evened it up.
Boxing helped in that I was able to relax and not get too fatigued if that makes sense.
Im not the best Judoka out there and I wasnt the best boxer either.
But I can say that Ive sparred with a couple guys who have fought Tyson , Alfonso Ratliff and James Tillis and Ive fought the world Judo Masters Champion , George Jobb from Canada.
Of course none of that was a picnic but what the heck its all a journey.
Very good thread here.
Thank you, Robinson and Expug, for your comments.
Everyone should try to learn a little judo -- (how to fall).
I knew one fighter--Adrian Davis--who said he had some background in judo.
A guy I had Taekwondo (sp) lessons with (Jim Joseph) told me that a friend of his who taught karate in Pennsylvania gave a few lessons to Ali, who wanted to learn specifically about things to do to an opponent’s head and neck (twisting it, jerking it, etc).
Joseph disliked me because I always forgot to bow when I came in the room or when I asked him a question. He said the guy in PA regarded Ali as a very obnoxious student.
I never picked up the karate way of punching but I had a great time.
Whenever a fellow instructor friend of Joseph would come to visit the class Joseph would always point me out as we went through our basic kicks/punches. Joseph would nod toward me and say, "He used to box."
The visitor would say, "Yeah, I can see that."
It had to do with the way I punched when I tried to do their karate punches (I may be misusing some of these words here--such as karate).
The class was full contact. Almost every class there was a broken wrist or ankle. People came from big distances who wanted that rough level.
I was there because the classes were at a community center close to me.
I remember asking Joseph about doing the judo throws on a bare wooden floor as they were doing. ''Aren't you supposed to use a mat?" I asked.
"No, you learn how to fall better this way" he said.
I would be interested in your more educated opinions on this--but I found many karate-taekwando people to be physically weak.
I had some talks with Joseph when he was in the mood to talk, and he agreed with me that most (or maybe all) of what most people learn in such classes is not usable by them in the real world.
I was through boxing by that time, but I still used to spar occasionally with friends of mine.
I remember after I had done the taekwondo classes for a while,
one guy I sparred with who had been a sparring partner for Bob Foster
said, "You seem to block (avoid) everything."
I really think the experience with handling not only arms (punches) but legs (kicks) coming at you also in the karate classes heightened my defensive abilities in boxing--where I only had to defend against punches.
Joseph would have his best longtime students go all out on me when he was irritated with me. I was a very slow thinker in the karate since it was new to me. I thought one step at a time. I got amazing bruises from the kicks, especially around the kidneys. Worse than any boxing bruises I got to the body. The former Foster sparring partner commented on the kidney area bruises, saying they looked bad and warning me about that.
I just laughed.
Some of the guys in the class were good at finding my solar plexus with kicks. I got the wind knocked out of me repeatedly during the classes.
I learned to relax and keep a straight face and the wind came back in a few seconds. I think the body blows from kicks were a terrific training aid for a boxer.
I lacked the flexibility to do a real roundhouse kick and never came near doing that. Joseph liked my front kick, which had a lot of power.
I always had a big smile on my face there. Once a guy who drove a long distance for the full contact classes was psyching himself up before we started. He stopped and said to me, "Why are you always smiling here? Don't you know this is serious?."
I had a wonderful time at those classes, even though you guys would say I was pathetic as a serious student.
Thank you, Robinson and Expug, for your comments.
Everyone should try to learn a little judo -- (how to fall).
I knew one fighter--Adrian Davis--who said he had some background in judo.
A guy I had Taekwondo (sp) lessons with (Jim Joseph) told me that a friend of his who taught karate in Pennsylvania gave a few lessons to Ali, who wanted to learn specifically about things to do to an opponent’s head and neck (twisting it, jerking it, etc).
Joseph disliked me because I always forgot to bow when I came in the room or when I asked him a question. He said the guy in PA regarded Ali as a very obnoxious student.
I never picked up the karate way of punching but I had a great time.
Whenever a fellow instructor friend of Joseph would come to visit the class Joseph would always point me out as we went through our basic kicks/punches. Joseph would nod toward me and say, "He used to box."
The visitor would say, "Yeah, I can see that."
It had to do with the way I punched when I tried to do their karate punches (I may be misusing some of these words here--such as karate).
The class was full contact. Almost every class there was a broken wrist or ankle. People came from big distances who wanted that rough level.
I was there because the classes were at a community center close to me.
I remember asking Joseph about doing the judo throws on a bare wooden floor as they were doing. ''Aren't you supposed to use a mat?" I asked.
"No, you learn how to fall better this way" he said.
I would be interested in your more educated opinions on this--but I found many karate-taekwando people to be physically weak.
I had some talks with Joseph when he was in the mood to talk, and he agreed with me that most (or maybe all) of what most people learn in such classes is not usable by them in the real world.
I was through boxing by that time, but I still used to spar occasionally with friends of mine.
I remember after I had done the taekwondo classes for a while,
one guy I sparred with who had been a sparring partner for Bob Foster
said, "You seem to block (avoid) everything."
I really think the experience with handling not only arms (punches) but legs (kicks) coming at you also in the karate classes heightened my defensive abilities in boxing--where I only had to defend against punches.
Joseph would have his best longtime students go all out on me when he was irritated with me. I was a very slow thinker in the karate since it was new to me. I thought one step at a time. I got amazing bruises from the kicks, especially around the kidneys. Worse than any boxing bruises I got to the body. The former Foster sparring partner commented on the kidney area bruises, saying they looked bad and warning me about that.
I just laughed.
Some of the guys in the class were good at finding my solar plexus with kicks. I got the wind knocked out of me repeatedly during the classes.
I learned to relax and keep a straight face and the wind came back in a few seconds. I think the body blows from kicks were a terrific training aid for a boxer.
I lacked the flexibility to do a real roundhouse kick and never came near doing that. Joseph liked my front kick, which had a lot of power.
I always had a big smile on my face there. Once a guy who drove a long distance for the full contact classes was psyching himself up before we started. He stopped and said to me, "Why are you always smiling here? Don't you know this is serious?."
I had a wonderful time at those classes, even though you guys would say I was pathetic as a serious student.