Danny Williams v/s James Toney

Mimmy · Post by **Mimmy** » 25 Feb 2008, 09:44

according to the Daily Mirror today this fight is being lined up as an WBC eliminator.

What do you think the chances of Danny winning are?

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 25 Feb 2008, 09:49

WBC Eliminator? To fight who? Gomez, the winner of the last eliminator? Peter the intrim champ? Maskaev the normal champ? Klitschko the super champ of whatever they call him?

They have enough sorting out to do before the announce anymore eliminators, at least wait till Peter v Maskaev has happened.

As for Williams v Toney, depends on what shape they come in at and how shot they are. Not really great for the future of the division and neither deserves it. But of course it would be great for Danny to get another title shot. Not that I can see it happening mind you

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 25 Feb 2008, 10:11

I could quite easily believe this, as the WBC are renowned for trying to make as much money from eliminators, champion emeretius, interim champs and super champs.

For instance, Castillo is fighting for the #1 position he already obtained in October.

Jose Sulaiman is the Don King of boxing organisations! And from what I've heard his Son ain't much better, either!

Winnable fight for Danny provided he keeps his weight low and his work rate up. Toney was shocking in his last fight.

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 25 Feb 2008, 10:13

As Lenny says, Danny has landed on his feet if he's getting this, but otherwise looking at it this is farcical.

Maskaev/Peter still has to happen.
Vitali has first shot at the winner.
Then there's JCG (who already beat McCall in one eliminator) versus Virchis, which isn't going to happen until September.

Add to this the fact neither is even ranked by the WBC

The Mirror has surely got the wrong end of the stick. I could buy that it's happening as a non/title, but other than that...

STP · Post by **STP** » 25 Feb 2008, 10:22

World Biscuit-eating Championships?

STP · Post by **STP** » 25 Feb 2008, 10:24

Seriously, Danny is good. When he's not too big, he's good. Nice, fast jab and natural punches.

But James Toney, even carrying 50lbs of fat and being 45 years old, is a totally different league...

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 25 Feb 2008, 10:34

STP wrote:Seriously, Danny is good. When he's not too big, he's good. Nice, fast jab and natural punches.

But James Toney, even carrying 50lbs of fat and being 45 years old, is a totally different league...

You do know Toney won a SD almost a year ago against fringe journeyman Batchelder (25-4), right?

I think Danny stands a chance here, provided he doesn't hit the Kiplings.

STP · Post by **STP** » 25 Feb 2008, 10:43

Toney has the best resume in boxing today, by absolute miles.

He's probably the greatest active fighter. For sure. Maybe even the greatest since 1990.

STP · Post by **STP** » 25 Feb 2008, 10:44

The best, too. Since 1990.

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 25 Feb 2008, 10:53

I'd have RJJ ahead of him (not Roy's problem if James hit the pies beforehand, don't fight in the fecking division if you can't make weight). Toney is the best of the 90s behind RJJ.

I believe Ben Cohen also scored the fight to Batchelder too Terry. That said, if it was in the UK, I'd go just to say I've seen Toney fight.

Legend.

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 25 Feb 2008, 11:33

Terry D wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:I'd have RJJ ahead of him (not Roy's problem if James hit the pies beforehand, don't fight in the fecking division if you can't make weight). Toney is the best of the 90s behind RJJ.

I believe Ben Cohen also scored the fight to Batchelder too Terry. That said, if it was in the UK, I'd go just to say I've seen Toney fight.

Legend.
Toney did very little and Batchelder also but he forced it a bit more. I got my copy from a guy who snuck a camcorder hidden in a tampon box into the venue.

Class copy as well.

I hope he emptied it first.

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 25 Feb 2008, 11:39

Bizarre matchup if it comes off.

If they held it over here, with Toney's mouth they could actually sell a few tickets I would have thought.

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 25 Feb 2008, 11:43

If Danny comes in at 20 stonish, then James Toney may be able to outwork him.....which is not something you hear very often

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 25 Feb 2008, 11:45

Toney to fight in the UK?

There would be no missing that one for me. Been a fan ever since he crashed that right hand onto Nunn whilst he was staring out into the Davenport sky.

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 25 Feb 2008, 11:47

Lenny wrote:WBC Eliminator? To fight who? Gomez, the winner of the last eliminator? Peter the intrim champ? Maskaev the normal champ? Klitschko the super champ of whatever they call him?

I love boxing!

Al Savani · Post by **Al Savani** » 25 Feb 2008, 11:52

TerribleTerry wrote:Been a fan ever since he crashed that right hand onto Nunn whilst he was staring out into the Davenport sky.

I saw him fight Sanderline and Sosa when I was living in San Fran.

His body to head and head to body combos looked hot,but he was loading up too much and not rolling his shoulders as much as he did against Nunn. They were close,competitive fights with Sanderline and Sosa. Good fights. Good stuff.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 25 Feb 2008, 11:56

Toney should never have gone up to heavyweight. His legs looked old in the Jirov fight - his last great performance - and carrying an extra 30-40-lbs was no good for him.

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 25 Feb 2008, 12:23

Terry D wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:I'd have RJJ ahead of him (not Roy's problem if James hit the pies beforehand, don't fight in the fecking division if you can't make weight). Toney is the best of the 90s behind RJJ.

I believe Ben Cohen also scored the fight to Batchelder too Terry. That said, if it was in the UK, I'd go just to say I've seen Toney fight.

Legend.
Toney did very little and Batchelder also but he forced it a bit more. I got my copy from a guy who snuck a camcorder hidden in a tampon box into the venue.

Class copy as well.

Did he, Jammy pudendum!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 25 Feb 2008, 12:25

There's something depressing about Toney. Every time he looked on the verge of doing something great he squandered it. There's no way back now.

chinny · Post by **chinny** » 25 Feb 2008, 13:18

Toney sounded punch drunk and deluded after Peter II.

It won't end well unfortunately. It would be such a shame for Toney to get knocked out.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 25 Feb 2008, 13:31

Terry D wrote:
Autobarn wrote:There's something depressing about Toney. Every time he looked on the verge of doing something great he squandered it. There's no way back now.
I get a lot of happiness from his career. There is something about frustrating genius that draws you in. You can always fill in the gaps based on what could have been.

Best fighter in my teenage years and still the best now, even though he isn't.

definitely, brilliance in fragments, 91-92, 93-94, 02-03 were his three excellent spurts

E · Post by E » 25 Feb 2008, 13:41

I cannot believe this fight will happen.....Toney is deluded about his worth and will want a big payday; that which cannot be provided....

observer1 · Post by **observer1** » 25 Feb 2008, 17:26

if danny Williams actually tries, he should be able to win

E · Post by E » 25 Feb 2008, 17:28

observer1 wrote:if danny Williams actually tries, he should be able to win

what in a hot dog eating contest???????????

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 25 Feb 2008, 18:57

Toney will be returning from a suspension for failing a drug test too, man he'll be a balloon going Into camp.