Top 10 Heavyweights Ever

plopeater · Post by **plopeater** » 27 Mar 2008, 18:58

These are mine. Opinions please

01.Muhammad Ali
02.Mike Tyson
03.Herbie Hide
04.Rocky Marciano
05.George Foreman
06.Frank Bruno
07.Joe Frazier
08.MAtt Skelton
09.Lennox Lewis
10.Larry Holmes

plopeater · Post by **plopeater** » 27 Mar 2008, 19:03

Collins2000 wrote:
plopeater wrote:These are mine. Opinions please

01.Muhammad Ali
02.Mike Tyson
03.Herbie Hide
04.Rocky Marciano
05.George Foreman
06.Frank Bruno
07.Joe Frazier
08.MAtt Skelton
09.Lennox Lewis
10.Larry Holmes
Ploppy, Herbie is too low. He ought to be at least at #2.

PS, how did you hear that we on this forum now welcome loonies with open arms?

if hide had fought at HW his whole career he could be no 1 although we'll never know now. Why am i a loony is my list not good

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 27 Mar 2008, 19:16

I'd love to discuss this further, Ploppy, but some retard keeps deleting my posts.

barry · Post by **barry** » 27 Mar 2008, 19:21

Plop---pay no attnetion to collins...he's trying to make fun of your posts and he already knows that I will delete any such nonsense that I see from him, but don't pay any attention to what he, or clowns like him may say.

Go on supporting the exact same fighters that you do and maybe one day collins will actually obtain some balls to present his own lists, or views instead of just criticizing other peoples views.

Collins, I know you are about as juvenile as it gets, but do you not realize that some people may be rather new to the boxing game! Look, when you find the heart to present your own lists, or your own positions, then you may be a little valid to question someone else's views, but until you do find that gumption, try to act a little more like an adult!

plopeater · Post by **plopeater** » 27 Mar 2008, 19:22

Collins2000 wrote:I'd love to discuss this further, Ploppy, but some retard keeps deleting my posts.

i've done my middleweight list

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 27 Mar 2008, 19:24

plopeater wrote:
Collins2000 wrote:
plopeater wrote:These are mine. Opinions please

01.Muhammad Ali
02.Mike Tyson
03.Herbie Hide
04.Rocky Marciano
05.George Foreman
06.Frank Bruno
07.Joe Frazier
08.MAtt Skelton
09.Lennox Lewis
10.Larry Holmes
Ploppy, Herbie is too low. He ought to be at least at #2.

PS, how did you hear that we on this forum now welcome loonies with open arms?
if hide had fought at HW his whole career he could be no 1 although we'll never know now. Why am i a loony is my list not good

no joe louis? jack dempsey? you have matt skelton, herbie hide and frank bruno above these guys to name a few

My list would be

1. Muhammad Ali
2.Joe Louis
3.Jack Johnson
4.Jack Dempsey
5.Mike Tyson
6.George Foreman
7.Larry Holmes
8.Rocky Marciano
9.Joe Frazier
10.Lennox Lewis

thats not quite right yet im gonna think somemore about it

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 27 Mar 2008, 19:24

Bazza, I heard you were dead!

Just wishful thinking I guess...

barry · Post by **barry** » 27 Mar 2008, 19:30

As is typical with collins...nothing boxing...but then again...It's a little difficult for someone who doesn't know anything about boxing to present anything boxing, so I guess the saying is true...people flock to what they know, but the funny thing here is that an internet forum is the nearest that collins has ever been to an actual fight...a real internet "tough guy" ." LOL!!!!

plopeater · Post by **plopeater** » 27 Mar 2008, 19:39

p4p1 wrote:
plopeater wrote:
Collins2000 wrote: Ploppy, Herbie is too low. He ought to be at least at #2.

PS, how did you hear that we on this forum now welcome loonies with open arms?
if hide had fought at HW his whole career he could be no 1 although we'll never know now. Why am i a loony is my list not good
no joe louis? jack dempsey? you have matt skelton, herbie hide and frank bruno above these guys to name a few

My list would be

1. Muhammad Ali
2.Joe Louis
3.Jack Johnson
4.Jack Dempsey
5.Mike Tyson
6.George Foreman
7.Larry Holmes
8.Rocky Marciano
9.Joe Frazier
10.Lennox Lewis

thats not quite right yet im gonna think somemore about it

My history of old fighters is not the best but thanks for the input. I will look up some of the names you mentioned

plopeater · Post by **plopeater** » 27 Mar 2008, 19:40

barry wrote:Plop---pay no attnetion to collins...he's trying to make fun of your posts and he already knows that I will delete any such nonsense that I see from him, but don't pay any attention to what he, or clowns like him may say.

Go on supporting the exact same fighters that you do and maybe one day collins will actually obtain some balls to present his own lists, or views instead of just criticizing other peoples views.

Collins, I know you are about as juvenile as it gets, but do you not realize that some people may be rather new to the boxing game! Look, when you find the heart to present your own lists, or your own positions, then you may be a little valid to question someone else's views, but until you do find that gumption, try to act a little more like an adult!

Thanks Barry, I'm keen to learn about fighters past as i'm new to boxing.

I'm a big fan of Ricky Hatton

barry · Post by **barry** » 27 Mar 2008, 20:34

I'll send you a pm in the next two, or three days listing a number of research sites which are very helpful for someone that is really wanting to learn about the history of the sport.

But pay no attention to what any one who may criticize your views say...especially someone like collins. Your opinion is just as valid as anyone else, but the big difference between you and those who would like to do nothing but criticize...you actually had the guts to present your views, which most of these want-to-be "critics" can only criticize others due to their own short-comings and lack of knowledge to present their own views as they know that they would very likely be laughed at, so instead they choose only to criticize the views of others...and while doing so they hide behind some computer screen with fake names...thats like saying...I have a view, but I don't want anyone to know who I actually am because that view could be recognized as being idiotic.

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 27 Mar 2008, 21:00

i was not crizing plopeater i was saying that i though his opinion was wrong i gave my list he now has some more names he can search and find out more info about the sport we all love

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 27 Mar 2008, 21:22

Interesting list...has a few on it ive never seen in a top ten.

Ill some day make my own list.

Still got hours of fights to watch yet...

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 27 Mar 2008, 23:01

box recs list

1 Muhammad Ali 56 (37) - 5 (1) - 0
1960-1981 orthodox United States
2 Joe Louis 69 (55) - 3 (2) - 0
1934-1951 orthodox United States
3 Floyd Patterson 55 (40) - 8 (5) - 1
1952-1972 orthodox United States
4 Ezzard Charles 90 (51) - 25 (7) - 1
1940-1959 orthodox United States
5 Rocky Marciano 49 (43) - 0 (0) - 0
1947-1955 orthodox United States
6 Jack Johnson 89 (49) - 14 (7) - 12
1894-1938 orthodox United States
7 Sonny Liston 50 (39) - 4 (3) - 0
1953-1970 orthodox United States
8 Larry Holmes 69 (44) - 6 (1) - 0
1973-2002 orthodox United States
9 Jimmy Bivins 86 (31) - 25 (5) - 1
1940-1955 orthodox United States
10 Sam Langford 200 (130) - 47 (9) - 46
1902-1926 orthodox Canada
11 Max Schmeling 56 (40) - 10 (5) - 4
1924-1948 orthodox Germany
12 Harry Wills 80 (50) - 10 (5) - 4
1911-1932 orthodox United States
13 Jack Sharkey 38 (13) - 14 (4) - 3
1924-1936 orthodox United States
14 Joe Frazier 32 (27) - 4 (3) - 1
1965-1981 orthodox United States
15 George Foreman 76 (68) - 5 (1) - 0
1969-1997 orthodox United States
16 Jersey Joe Walcott 51 (32) - 18 (6) - 2
1930-1953 orthodox United States
17 Max Baer 68 (52) - 13 (3) - 0
1929-1941 orthodox United States
18 Lennox Lewis 41 (32) - 2 (2) - 1
1989-2003 orthodox United Kingdom
19 Mike Tyson 50 (44) - 6 (5) - 0
1985-2005 orthodox United States
20 Primo Carnera 89 (72) - 14 (5) - 0
1928-1946 orthodox Italy

ps: granberry look at number 1 hahaha

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 27 Mar 2008, 23:59

barry wrote:I'll send you a pm in the next two, or three days listing a number of research sites which are very helpful for someone that is really wanting to learn about the history of the sport.

But pay no attention to what any one who may criticize your views say...especially someone like collins. Your opinion is just as valid as anyone else, but the big difference between you and those who would like to do nothing but criticize...you actually had the guts to present your views, which most of these want-to-be "critics" can only criticize others due to their own short-comings and lack of knowledge to present their own views as they know that they would very likely be laughed at, so instead they choose only to criticize the views of others...and while doing so they hide behind some computer screen with fake names...thats like saying...I have a view, but I don't want anyone to know who I actually am because that view could be recognized as being idiotic.

bazza, you queer-shaped pudendum, we were having a lovely time while you were getting your haemmoroids sorted.

Welcome back anyway, you boring twat!

PS Plopeater is having a laugh. At you, I reckon.

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 28 Mar 2008, 00:04

Collins2000 wrote:
barry wrote:I'll send you a pm in the next two, or three days listing a number of research sites which are very helpful for someone that is really wanting to learn about the history of the sport.

But pay no attention to what any one who may criticize your views say...especially someone like collins. Your opinion is just as valid as anyone else, but the big difference between you and those who would like to do nothing but criticize...you actually had the guts to present your views, which most of these want-to-be "critics" can only criticize others due to their own short-comings and lack of knowledge to present their own views as they know that they would very likely be laughed at, so instead they choose only to criticize the views of others...and while doing so they hide behind some computer screen with fake names...thats like saying...I have a view, but I don't want anyone to know who I actually am because that view could be recognized as being idiotic.
bazza, you queer-shaped pudendum, we were having a lovely time while you were getting your haemmoroids sorted.

Welcome back anyway, you boring twat!

PS Plopeater is having a laugh. At you, I reckon.

that would explain alot

plopeater · Post by **plopeater** » 28 Mar 2008, 02:32

p4p1 wrote:i was not crizing plopeater i was saying that i though his opinion was wrong i gave my list he now has some more names he can search and find out more info about the sport we all love

Thank you for your list and boxrecs list, it will give me a few names to look up

plopeater · Post by **plopeater** » 28 Mar 2008, 02:34

Collins2000 wrote:
barry wrote:I'll send you a pm in the next two, or three days listing a number of research sites which are very helpful for someone that is really wanting to learn about the history of the sport.

But pay no attention to what any one who may criticize your views say...especially someone like collins. Your opinion is just as valid as anyone else, but the big difference between you and those who would like to do nothing but criticize...you actually had the guts to present your views, which most of these want-to-be "critics" can only criticize others due to their own short-comings and lack of knowledge to present their own views as they know that they would very likely be laughed at, so instead they choose only to criticize the views of others...and while doing so they hide behind some computer screen with fake names...thats like saying...I have a view, but I don't want anyone to know who I actually am because that view could be recognized as being idiotic.
bazza, you queer-shaped pudendum, we were having a lovely time while you were getting your haemmoroids sorted.

Welcome back anyway, you boring twat!

PS Plopeater is having a laugh. At you, I reckon.

I am not having a laugh ay anyone.

My list may not be correct in other people's eyes but I am new to boxing and internet and so my knowledge is mainly limited to British modern fighters.

I am surprised you have Brit Lewis on but not Hide

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 28 Mar 2008, 02:43

Then your list should have been called "Top Ten Heavyweights From Europe" list, rather than a "Top Ten Heavyweight" list, as it centers more around the concept that the list is about fighters who fought on the world stage and fought the best in the world, and beat other all-time great contenders and champions.

Now, as far as the 'modern brits' is concerned...I would still rank both Lewis and Bruno above the likes of Skelton and Williams, mainly because they held a piece of the WORLD title, as well as being at one time THE top men in all of Britain. Hide, personally, I would rank alongside the likes of Gary Mason, another under-rated modern british heavyweight.

But...as far as the European list goes, if concerning an all-time European greats, Henry Cooper, Joe Bugner (though he was Australian, but originally Hungarian born), Tommy Farr, Bob Fitzsimmons (when he fought at heavyweight), Tom Sharkey, Peter Maher, and Don Cockell are good starts.

plopeater · Post by **plopeater** » 28 Mar 2008, 02:46

HomicideHenry wrote:Then your list should have been called "Top Ten Heavyweights From Europe" list, rather than a "Top Ten Heavyweight" list, as it centers more around the concept that the list is about fighters who fought on the world stage and fought the best in the world, and beat other all-time great contenders and champions.

Now, as far as the 'modern brits' is concerned...I would still rank both Lewis and Bruno above the likes of Skelton and Williams, mainly because they held a piece of the WORLD title, as well as being at one time THE top men in all of Britain. Hide, personally, I would rank alongside the likes of Gary Mason, another under-rated modern british heavyweight.

But...as far as the European list goes, if concerning an all-time European greats, Henry Cooper, Joe Bugner (though he was Australian, but originally Hungarian born), Tommy Farr, Bob Fitzsimmons (when he fought at heavyweight), Tom Sharkey, Peter Maher, and Don Cockell are good starts.

Thanks for your thoughts and a few names to research.

The reason I said world was so I could get other opinions and research boxers as i'm keen to learn. Do you have a list

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 28 Mar 2008, 03:02

My list constantly changes, because really you could make the argument that one man is higher than another when you really take a look at their careers and accomplishments on a broader scale...like, for instance, Jack Johnson before winning the true heavyweight title had done defeated every big name black fighter a number of times; and though it is held against him for not defending his title against one of the premiere blacks of his time, he also bested the best white competitors available for over a decade...so can you really hold it against him, when guys like Gene Tunney only had a handful of fights as a heavyweight, never fought a black man, and whose sole significance at heavywieght was defeating an over the hill Jack Dempsey twice, are sometimes rated higher than Johnson?

Anyways...here is my list, imperfect as it may be:

1. Muhammad Ali/Joe Louis (tie)
2. Jack Johnson
3. Rocky Marciano
4. Jim Jeffries
5. Larry Holmes
6. George Foreman
7. Evander Holyfield
8. Jack Dempsey
9. Lennox Lewis
10. Joe Frazier

Some names I could change around, some I could substitute someone else for; as there has been so many great fighters, who may not have been such great champions, but were perrenial contenders for many years such as Jersey Joe Walcott.

plopeater · Post by **plopeater** » 28 Mar 2008, 05:49

Thanks for your opniion Homicide, there are a couple of names worth looking into but Lewis the best Brit there, Lewis for me behind Hide and Bruno but hey its only opinion

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 28 Mar 2008, 07:06

Hi plop

Nice to have new posters on the site.

We all argue forever about rankings...

Here's a good exercise. Wrire down what you think makes a fighter great.

e.g. Were they a champion? How long for? Who did they beat? Longevity; ability; consistency...

Some people put more focus on say consistency than others...that's for you to decide. Once you have an idea of what you consider to be the key features that make someone great then apply your criteria to the fighters.

I've got to admit that seeing Herbie Hide at number 3 seems a little odd. If you are sincere then how would you defend your current placing of Hide over Riddick Bowe?

barry · Post by **barry** » 29 Mar 2008, 08:07

p4p1---I wasn't talking about you...I was speaking of the village idiot collins!

Know this Collins…and this is all I have to say to you...It gives me great pleasure in knowing that fact that five, or six years ago, after one of your typical attacks, that my responses effected you and your life so much that now, some five, or six years later, you still feel the undying need to try to trash and insult me at every single chance you get…it doesn’t matter that I have ignored you for months, every time, every single time that someone else has had a go at me it is only a short time until you show up to whine and cry about me, just as you always do…LOL! You can try to play it off about how I do not effect you one bit, or you can claim that you are just doing it because you “know” that it bothers me, but sorry pal…your behavior and your actions tell another story. Your behavior tells the story of someone who was made to look like such an idiotic fool that it has permantely dented your pride and for ever how much longer you are on this forum it will be the same old song and dance from you wanting and obsessing that one day you might get the better of me, but it’s not going to happen…you simply just do not have the intelligence. I kind of feel sorry for you…kind of! Your obsession with me is really unhealthy, but perhaps one day you will be able to move past me…though I kind of doubt it. You see one of the many differences between you and I is this…as soon as I finish any response to you on the forum I forget about you, whereas I have gotten to you so good that I have became a part of your life!

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 29 Mar 2008, 08:15

hey barry what are some of those research sites that would be helpful at one looking up heavyweights etc

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