Gunner Moir self defence article

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 17 Apr 2008, 20:56

Here is an interesting early century Gunner Moir authoured article on self defence against hooligans.

It makes for an interesting read. One thing about the Brits is that alot of there boxers always seem to have there minds on using the craft on the pavement as well as inside the ropes.

Anyone know of any other articles similar to this writen by pugs who like to thump thugs ?

Here is the link....

http://www.savateaustralia.com/Savate%2 ... boxing.htm

Kym

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 18 Apr 2008, 01:17

Gunner Moir...his career was at a stand still, everyone believing he was junked goods and no longer fit to be called a "white hope" for Johnson's title, but he pulls a rabbit out of his ass and knocks out British 'hope' Bombardier Billy Wells...it will always be his greatest claim to fame.

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 18 Apr 2008, 08:22

Yet we still talk about him today.

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 21 Apr 2008, 18:41

you wouldnt if youd ever see film of him. He was god awful.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 21 Apr 2008, 22:40

klompton wrote:you wouldnt if youd ever see film of him. He was god awful.

Is there film of him vs Burns??

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 21 Apr 2008, 22:44

Klompton
I have thought that about a few fighters that I have read more about than have seen.

In any case I was talking about his 'article' and was interested in knowing what other pugs or champs had authored such a thing.

If Moir was so awful, how come he arose to such prominence in what many consider to be a classical age of prize fighting.

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 22 Apr 2008, 08:50

I dont really consider Moir to have risen to much prominence. He was basically the equivalent of a clubfighter here in the states. He was a big fish in a small pond in Britain, had he been in the USA he would have been a very small fish in a very big pond and probably wouldnt be as remembered as he is. Seeing film of him fight he was little more than drunken brawler.

I dont remember if film exists of he and Burns but his brawl with Wells exists.

raylawpc · Post by **raylawpc** » 22 Apr 2008, 12:12

Moir was prominent in the same way Jack Roper was prominent. Moir was a victim in Tommy Burns' "Bum of the Month Club," just a Roper was a victim in Louis' club 40 years later.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 22 Apr 2008, 13:54

raylawpc wrote:Moir was prominent in the same way Jack Roper was prominent. Moir was a victim in Tommy Burns' "Bum of the Month Club," just a Roper was a victim in Louis' club 40 years later.

Good analogy. And Louis was a fair sight better than Burns.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 22 Apr 2008, 17:46

I like the big fish in a small pond analogy that was used for Moir. He was big shit back on the island (England), but couldn't seem to make it anywhere else but Europe; his win over Wells was pretty much his finest, and was also his last big performance of his career as Wells was being pushed almost as if he was the second coming.

His kayo of Wells, was the beginning of a slippery slope for Wells, as the secret was out, that the way to beat the fighting machine [Wells for all intents and purposes was a great talent all around and his size made him a double threat as well] was to blast him hard enough on the chin.

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 22 Apr 2008, 19:00

Ok we have established that Moir was not a great fighter.

The question still stands...are there any other articles that you guys know of written by fighters of a similar nature ?

Thanks again

raylawpc · Post by **raylawpc** » 22 Apr 2008, 20:14

Robinson wrote:Ok we have established that Moir was not a great fighter.

The question still stands...are there any other articles that you guys know of written by fighters of a similar nature ?

Thanks again

The one that immmediately springs to mind is a book by Bob Fitzsimmons, Physical Culture and Self-Defense (Philadelphia: D. Biddle 1901).

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 22 Apr 2008, 23:18

Thank you for that.

I always find them an interesting read, i wish more boxers these
days would pen a book or contribute on one.

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 23 Apr 2008, 08:00

Since i got this discussion off track Ill add one, Frank Klaus wrote a book during this time period about the art of infighting which is pretty interesting.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 23 Apr 2008, 18:17

There's a film of Klaus beating George Carpentier.

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 23 Apr 2008, 22:25

yes there is, every round except the final round which the french edited out. A shorter version of this film has made the rounds as Tommy Ryan-Hugo Kelly but it is in fact Carp-Klaus.

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 24 Apr 2008, 01:13

Is it a good fight ?

Any modern fighters or more modern ones written any articles or books of that nature?

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 24 Apr 2008, 01:46

klompton wrote:yes there is, every round except the final round which the french edited out. A shorter version of this film has made the rounds as Tommy Ryan-Hugo Kelly but it is in fact Carp-Klaus.

I wondered why it never had an ending.

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 24 Apr 2008, 09:07

I think its a good fight but most people probably wouldnt. It has a lot of infighting. Klaus basically breaks Carp down on the inside with bodypunches and uppercuts. Hes a lot stronger. Carp shows heart but its boy against man.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 24 Apr 2008, 13:41

Klaus was a powerful middleweight.

The young Carpentier got a good education from fighting top fighters like Papke and Klaus.

Carpentier said later that he considered the Papke and Klaus he fought when he was younger to be superior to the Gibbons and Tunney he later fought.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 25 Apr 2008, 09:47

klompton wrote:I think its a good fight but most people probably wouldnt. It has a lot of infighting. Klaus basically breaks Carp down on the inside with bodypunches and uppercuts. Hes a lot stronger. Carp shows heart but its boy against man.

It's worth its weight in gold.

The only [?] film of Klaus and a chance to see the young Carpentier, tall for a middleweight and skinnier than later.

What a WEIRD boxing stance Carpentier was using in that fight.

He was harried every moment by Klaus.