British Top 30 P4P May 2008

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 30 Apr 2008, 20:45

1. (1.) Joe Calzaghe
2. (2.) Ricky Hatton
3. (3.) David Haye
4. (4.) Junior Witter
5. (5.) Clinton Woods
6. (6.) Alex Arthur
7. (7.) Enzo Maccarinelli
8. (8.) Carl Froch
9. (9.) Scott Harrison
10. (10.) Jamie Moore

11. (11.) Nicky Cook
12. (12.) Gavin Rees
13. (13.) Rendall Munroe
14. (18.) Amir Khan
15. (14.) Bernard Dunne
16. (15.) Matt Skelton
17. (16.) John Duddy
18. (17.) Colin Lynes
19. (19.) Wayne Elcock
20. (20.) Kevin Mitchell

21. (21.) Wayne McCullough
22. (22.) Kevin McIntyre
23. (24.) David Barnes
24. (23.) Jonathan Thaxton
25. (25.) Carl Johanneson
26. (28.) Michael Jennings
27. (26.) Howard Eastman
28. (27.) Tony Oakey
29. (29.) Bradley Pryce
30. (30.) Ian Napa

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 30 Apr 2008, 20:45

Any comments, criticisms or P4P lists are very welcome.

sweetscience · Post by **sweetscience** » 01 May 2008, 02:56

i bet your glad matthews got beat

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 01 May 2008, 04:43

Ah yes, the monthly rankings, i'll start it off...

Wayne McCullough??? Scott Harrison???

Did you hear Naz say he hadn't retired, think you should have him in your top5

sweetscience · Post by **sweetscience** » 01 May 2008, 08:39

scott harrison doesnt even have a licence

and seeing as he has just been caught drink driving he aint going to get one soon

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 01 May 2008, 08:45

Where's John Simpson gone?

Still no room for Hide I see.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 01 May 2008, 09:46

sweetscience wrote:i bet your glad matthews got beat

It somewhat justified me not ranking him, but I wanted Matthews to win so I was not glad.

twenty six · Post by **twenty six** » 01 May 2008, 11:27

Horse,
What system do you use to reach your conclusions ?
You may have answered this before if you have my apologies.
If I'm gonna be constructive, I need to know your methodology.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 01 May 2008, 11:44

Horse wrote:
sweetscience wrote:i bet your glad matthews got beat
It somewhat justified me not ranking him, but I wanted Matthews to win so I was not glad.

Did you contimplate adding Choi to your rankings.... cause you do have some fighter who are ineligable for the British title in your list.

Not a dig, just a question.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 01 May 2008, 12:15

Lenny wrote:Ah yes, the monthly rankings, i'll start it off...

Wayne McCullough??? Scott Harrison???

Did you hear Naz say he hadn't retired, think you should have him in your top5

Naseem Hamed has to have a comeback fight before I consider entering him in my list. He would have to beat someone very good to get a top 5 ranking.

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » 01 May 2008, 12:21

Can you answer twentysix's question please, because it's something I've asked myself previously.

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » 01 May 2008, 12:23

And I presume twentysix will be wondering where Rhodes is?

I must also ask how Moore has moved into the top 10 having not fought for months?

I'm a fan of his, many of us are, but to do nothing and move upwards?

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 01 May 2008, 12:28

sweetscience wrote:scott harrison doesnt even have a licence

and seeing as he has just been caught drink driving he aint going to get one soon

No, it's not looking good for Harrison getting his licence back anytime soon, I agree.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 01 May 2008, 12:41

stujones wrote:Where's John Simpson gone?

He fell out last month to make way for the new entries of Munroe, Mitchell and Barnes.

stujones wrote:Still no room for Hide I see.

Hide last fought in March, so he had no chance to enter the list this month.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 01 May 2008, 14:46

twenty six wrote:Horse,
What system do you use to reach your conclusions ?
You may have answered this before if you have my apologies.
If I'm gonna be constructive, I need to know your methodology.

That is a difficult question. I tried, but I was unable to come up with a suitable answer. If you have any more specific questions, I will try to answer those questions.

Perhaps, I was unable to answer the question because I don't have a specific system. I try to take everything into account when I make a judgement, and that may come across as inconsistent when trying to come up with a methodology.

However, an important part of my judgement is the level of opposition of the fighters, so top prospects who haven't fought anyone of note may be a lot lower on my list than they are elsewhere. I also don't like shooting fighters up and down the rankings based on the result of one fight (although sometimes I have to). I hope this last paragraph somewhat answers part of your question.

twenty six · Post by **twenty six** » 02 May 2008, 06:56

OK - so basically it's just your opinion.
That's not having a dig, Horse, but I fail to see the relevence of this if there's no methodology behind it.
It's like me saying Rhodes should be above Moore cos a/ he's Brit Champ b/ Moore is inactive due to injury and his plans for the next 6 months include an 8 rounder against TBA and an Irish title aginst Healy who, with respect, hardly has a record to cause stirrings.
That 3rd para is for you Hook - didn't want to disappoint you !

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 02 May 2008, 07:06

Khan above Lynes? Lynes is European Champion and took the WBC champion to points.

Khan has....beaten lots of featherweights?

McCullough and Harrison cannot appear in a topical list, they just cant.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 02 May 2008, 07:46

stujones wrote:
Horse wrote:
sweetscience wrote:i bet your glad matthews got beat
It somewhat justified me not ranking him, but I wanted Matthews to win so I was not glad.
Did you contimplate adding Choi to your rankings.... cause you do have some fighter who are ineligable for the British title in your list.

Not a dig, just a question.

No, I do not consider Choi to be British or Irish.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 02 May 2008, 08:04

Captain Hook wrote:Can you answer twentysix's question please, because it's something I've asked myself previously.

I try to answer all questions Captain. Sometimes it just takes me a while.

Captain Hook wrote:And I presume twentysix will be wondering where Rhodes is?

Woolcombe was likely considered the weakest British champion by most, so even a convincing win over Woolcombe was not enough to push Rhodes into the top 30. Perhaps, if he makes a defence of his title that will be enough to put him into the top 30.

Captain Hook wrote:I must also ask how Moore has moved into the top 10 having not fought for months?

I'm a fan of his, many of us are, but to do nothing and move upwards?

Moore moved into the top 10 because I moved Rees out after his loss to Kotelnik.

observer1 · Post by **observer1** » 02 May 2008, 08:10

I think Harrison should be taken off by default since he technically is not an official Boxer anymore..

As For Naz, he was taking the cake, i really dont think he was serious when he said he was coming back....

Mario · Post by **Mario** » 02 May 2008, 08:40

Are you getting Wayne McCulloch mixed up with someone else?

He still hasn't beaten anyone since 1998. 10 years ago, and BEFORE he lost to Naz!

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 02 May 2008, 08:52

twenty six wrote:OK - so basically it's just your opinion.
That's not having a dig, Horse, but I fail to see the relevence of this if there's no methodology behind it.

It was always going to be "just" my opinion, how would it work if it wasn't my opinion? What methodology would make it relevant?

twenty six wrote:It's like me saying Rhodes should be above Moore cos a/ he's Brit Champ b/ Moore is inactive due to injury and his plans for the next 6 months include an 8 rounder against TBA and an Irish title aginst Healy who, with respect, hardly has a record to cause stirrings.
That 3rd para is for you Hook - didn't want to disappoint you !

It is kind of like that, though I would disagree with you for doing that.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 02 May 2008, 11:39

DavidPayne wrote:Khan above Lynes? Lynes is European Champion and took the WBC champion to points.

Khan has....beaten lots of featherweights?

I believe Khan's recent opposition is about as good if not better than Lynes's recent opposition. Lynes is supposed to be fighting Branco this month, so he can move above Khan with a good result in that fight.

DavidPayne wrote:McCullough and Harrison cannot appear in a topical list, they just cant.

Harrison could well fall a good number of places this month, if all the results go the right way, and McCullough could drop a bit as well.

I may have to consider setting a rule of removing fighters after three years of inactivity, if neither fighter looks likely to leave the list before that deadline.

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » 02 May 2008, 12:22

twenty six wrote:OK - so basically it's just your opinion.
That's not having a dig, Horse, but I fail to see the relevence of this if there's no methodology behind it.
It's like me saying Rhodes should be above Moore cos a/ he's Brit Champ b/ Moore is inactive due to injury and his plans for the next 6 months include an 8 rounder against TBA and an Irish title aginst Healy who, with respect, hardly has a record to cause stirrings.
That 3rd para is for you Hook - didn't want to disappoint you !

You never do me old son.... :)

It is utterly pointless but you have to admire his enthusiasm. It's like watching a spider with two legs crawl up the side of a bath that's been sprayed with baby oil.....

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 02 May 2008, 12:46

observer1 wrote:I think Harrison should be taken off by default since he technically is not an official Boxer anymore..

That is a reasonable opinion.

observer1 wrote:As For Naz, he was taking the cake, i really dont think he was serious when he said he was coming back....

Neither do I.