Peter v Klitschko is on!!
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scrap iron
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Peter v Klitschko is on!!
Samuel Peter will meet Vitali Klitschko in either the first or second weekend of October. Peter will first defend his WBC title in July, then take on Vitali. If victorious he hopes to fight Wladmir next year. I would fancy Vitali to win this a few years ago, but it looks lke he going to take on Samuel without a warm-up fight first. After four years out, that's a difficult one to call.
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jameswilson
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They've corrected it now. :PGoz wrote:Vitali is only 27 according to the Beeb!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7393179.stm
Vitali Klitschko's on-off comeback is said to be on again. The 6ft 7½ins Ukrainian giant is linked to a challenge for his old WBC heavyweight title against Nigerian strongman Sam Peter in October.
Klitschko retired from the sport, somewhat surprisingly, citing a dodgy right knee in November 2005. This freed up the WBC belt subsequently lifted by Peter earlier this year, but Klitschko has never really found a meaningful purpose outside the sport: he dabbled in politics back home, and rode the celebrity rollercoaster until, presumably, the wheels came off through sheer repetitiveness. Boxing, it ain't. At 36, he is younger than the man Peter licked last year to really 'break through' in the States, James "Lights Out" Toney, and who Peter crushed in six rounds in March to win the WBC title, Oleg Maskaev.
Perhaps more importantly, Vitali's younger brother Wladimir has beaten the burly Peter, although "Wlad" was down three times before emerging on a unanimous decision in Atlantic City in September 2005. The clever, heavy-handed Vitali, generally regarded as a better fighter than his brother, and certainly a more durable one, will feel that the heavyweight division as wide open (it is), his for the cherry-picking and he 'owes' Peter something.
Vitali last fought in December 2004 with an unpleasant eight-round pounding of Brixton's incredibly brave Danny Williams. He was then set to defend against Hasim Rahman, whom he would also have pounded, but ligaments in his knee kept popping and he finally hobbled away, mumbling something along the lines of Jess Willard's "I have a farm and one hundred thousand dollars, I have a farm...", only his mantra centred around Lennox Lewis. The one fight he really wanted was a rematch with Lewis, of course, but Lewis had retired, put on huge amounts of weight and clearly had no intention of making a comeback.
Enter Peter.
The 27-year-old puncher represents the only real challenge for Klitschko today. The rest of the heavyweight division is dominated by eastern European bores (and Wladimir, of course), all of whom sound alike and pretty much fight alike (badly). Peter is something different: wild and exciting and dangerous and tough, an African bull of a man. There is no doubt he can fight: the only man to beat him in 31 outings is Wladimir, when Peter was still in a learning curve in his career. He wants to avenge that defeat and sees this as a golden opportunity to secure the rematch, beating big brother first.
Klitschko, of course, has to prove his knee can hold up to the demands of a rigorous training schedule before any of this even gets past the ballyhoo stage, then and only then can we discuss the possibilities of how he will fare against a genuine world class opponent over 12 rounds without a warm-up in his late 30s after four years out.
Yes, Vitali is much the bigger man and he was the better man, too, a few years ago, when he stopped all but one of his 35 victims (Vitali deliberately went the distance with Timo Hoffmann in 2000 to test a previously injured shoulder). But time and Samuel Peter wait for no man.
Meanwhile, Wladimir Klitschko defends his IBF and WBO heavyweight titles against American Tony Thompson in Hamburg on July 12.
Klitschko is the man our own David Haye is chasing but Thompson gets there first as the mandatory challenger with the WBO. The 36-year-old Thompson is unbeaten in eight years and 27 fights since his only career defeat at the hands of Eric Kirkland in a meaningless four-rounder (altogether, he is 31-1). A big, cagey (some would say stinking) southpaw, Thompson fights very much like Audley Harrison (ouch!), only with more hunger (phew!). He likes to pick off opponents with his long arms and is not a huge puncher, although he enjoys the chance to come forward and unload.
He goes quite well to the body. The man nicknamed "Tiger" earned his shot with recent wins over Luan Krasniqi (in Hamburg), Timor Ibragimov and Dominck Guinn. He also has a win over Vaughn Bean.
Klitschko represents a big step up, however. The giant German-based Ukrainian holds a good-looking win over Nigerian bull Sam Peter, the current WBC heavyweight champion, and brings a 50-3 (44) tab to the table and an Olympic gold medal, which speaks for itself at still only 32. Nice guy Wladimir won the WBO title in February with a disappointing, if one-sided, decision over Sultan Ibragimov - a southpaw like Thompson - but was possibly due an off-night after a hot recent run, including a revenge six-round stoppage of Lamon Brewster, seven-round poundings of Calvin Brock and Chris Byrd (the latter for the IBF title) and a second-round dismissal of Ray Austin.
He was down three times against Peter back in 2005 in Atlantic City but still took a unanimous 12-round decision.
"Wlad" will certainly be out to impress after Ibragimov last time out, and the key to this fight is Thompson's lack of a knockout punch. Klitschko is vulnerable to big punchers like Corrie Sanders, Brewster, Peter and even Ibragimov, to a lesser extent, a strong, stocky Russian. Moreover, he knows he is vulnerable, and boxes in hesitant, unconvincing fashion when the thought really gets to him. Against slippery, light-hitting types, such as Byrd, he is far more comfortable, goes forward, tees off and looks a million dollars. Punishing aggression is Wladimir's natural game. He holds two wins over Byrd, another southpaw.
You know, the slick, "Who needs him?" Thompson has been avoided and might be better than we think, another Tim Bradley. Then we remember that the heavyweight division is dominated by east Europeans these days, not Americans. "Dr. Steelhammer" Klitschko looks too experienced, too talented, too powerful, too proven for the challenger. As for Haye, the bad news is Klitschko is due another mandatory defence against IBF No. 1 Alexander Povetkin.
Where does it end?
Klitschko retired from the sport, somewhat surprisingly, citing a dodgy right knee in November 2005. This freed up the WBC belt subsequently lifted by Peter earlier this year, but Klitschko has never really found a meaningful purpose outside the sport: he dabbled in politics back home, and rode the celebrity rollercoaster until, presumably, the wheels came off through sheer repetitiveness. Boxing, it ain't. At 36, he is younger than the man Peter licked last year to really 'break through' in the States, James "Lights Out" Toney, and who Peter crushed in six rounds in March to win the WBC title, Oleg Maskaev.
Perhaps more importantly, Vitali's younger brother Wladimir has beaten the burly Peter, although "Wlad" was down three times before emerging on a unanimous decision in Atlantic City in September 2005. The clever, heavy-handed Vitali, generally regarded as a better fighter than his brother, and certainly a more durable one, will feel that the heavyweight division as wide open (it is), his for the cherry-picking and he 'owes' Peter something.
Vitali last fought in December 2004 with an unpleasant eight-round pounding of Brixton's incredibly brave Danny Williams. He was then set to defend against Hasim Rahman, whom he would also have pounded, but ligaments in his knee kept popping and he finally hobbled away, mumbling something along the lines of Jess Willard's "I have a farm and one hundred thousand dollars, I have a farm...", only his mantra centred around Lennox Lewis. The one fight he really wanted was a rematch with Lewis, of course, but Lewis had retired, put on huge amounts of weight and clearly had no intention of making a comeback.
Enter Peter.
The 27-year-old puncher represents the only real challenge for Klitschko today. The rest of the heavyweight division is dominated by eastern European bores (and Wladimir, of course), all of whom sound alike and pretty much fight alike (badly). Peter is something different: wild and exciting and dangerous and tough, an African bull of a man. There is no doubt he can fight: the only man to beat him in 31 outings is Wladimir, when Peter was still in a learning curve in his career. He wants to avenge that defeat and sees this as a golden opportunity to secure the rematch, beating big brother first.
Klitschko, of course, has to prove his knee can hold up to the demands of a rigorous training schedule before any of this even gets past the ballyhoo stage, then and only then can we discuss the possibilities of how he will fare against a genuine world class opponent over 12 rounds without a warm-up in his late 30s after four years out.
Yes, Vitali is much the bigger man and he was the better man, too, a few years ago, when he stopped all but one of his 35 victims (Vitali deliberately went the distance with Timo Hoffmann in 2000 to test a previously injured shoulder). But time and Samuel Peter wait for no man.
Meanwhile, Wladimir Klitschko defends his IBF and WBO heavyweight titles against American Tony Thompson in Hamburg on July 12.
Klitschko is the man our own David Haye is chasing but Thompson gets there first as the mandatory challenger with the WBO. The 36-year-old Thompson is unbeaten in eight years and 27 fights since his only career defeat at the hands of Eric Kirkland in a meaningless four-rounder (altogether, he is 31-1). A big, cagey (some would say stinking) southpaw, Thompson fights very much like Audley Harrison (ouch!), only with more hunger (phew!). He likes to pick off opponents with his long arms and is not a huge puncher, although he enjoys the chance to come forward and unload.
He goes quite well to the body. The man nicknamed "Tiger" earned his shot with recent wins over Luan Krasniqi (in Hamburg), Timor Ibragimov and Dominck Guinn. He also has a win over Vaughn Bean.
Klitschko represents a big step up, however. The giant German-based Ukrainian holds a good-looking win over Nigerian bull Sam Peter, the current WBC heavyweight champion, and brings a 50-3 (44) tab to the table and an Olympic gold medal, which speaks for itself at still only 32. Nice guy Wladimir won the WBO title in February with a disappointing, if one-sided, decision over Sultan Ibragimov - a southpaw like Thompson - but was possibly due an off-night after a hot recent run, including a revenge six-round stoppage of Lamon Brewster, seven-round poundings of Calvin Brock and Chris Byrd (the latter for the IBF title) and a second-round dismissal of Ray Austin.
He was down three times against Peter back in 2005 in Atlantic City but still took a unanimous 12-round decision.
"Wlad" will certainly be out to impress after Ibragimov last time out, and the key to this fight is Thompson's lack of a knockout punch. Klitschko is vulnerable to big punchers like Corrie Sanders, Brewster, Peter and even Ibragimov, to a lesser extent, a strong, stocky Russian. Moreover, he knows he is vulnerable, and boxes in hesitant, unconvincing fashion when the thought really gets to him. Against slippery, light-hitting types, such as Byrd, he is far more comfortable, goes forward, tees off and looks a million dollars. Punishing aggression is Wladimir's natural game. He holds two wins over Byrd, another southpaw.
You know, the slick, "Who needs him?" Thompson has been avoided and might be better than we think, another Tim Bradley. Then we remember that the heavyweight division is dominated by east Europeans these days, not Americans. "Dr. Steelhammer" Klitschko looks too experienced, too talented, too powerful, too proven for the challenger. As for Haye, the bad news is Klitschko is due another mandatory defence against IBF No. 1 Alexander Povetkin.
Where does it end?
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hitman_hatton1
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i was beginning to wonder where your post ended.bennie wrote:the bad news is Klitschko is due another mandatory defence against IBF No. 1 Alexander Povetkin.
Where does it end?
yeah they love the mandatories these sanctioning bodies don't they.
especially the ibf.
i suppose the lee jail sentence made the ibf take notice.
i'm sure u can tell us some more about that one Bennie. :)
on second thoughts.
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Phenomenal-Nutrition
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Tough 1 to call, on 1 hand we have a lubering slugger who punches wide, is overweight but is strong and has somewhat fast hands. On the other hand we have tall rangy boxer type who hasnt fought for 4 years and is now 37.
Vitali also has a lean back slower that should be suscpetable to pressure. Vitali will be slower, have less stamina and may have lost his legs. Vitalis defense is based on legs/back so if they've slowed he could be caught allot
Vitali also has a lean back slower that should be suscpetable to pressure. Vitali will be slower, have less stamina and may have lost his legs. Vitalis defense is based on legs/back so if they've slowed he could be caught allot
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overhand_right
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No way can I see Vitali coming through a full training camp unscathed. If I was a heavyweight contender (Haye) I would be getting myself ready to offer to step in once Klitschko breaks something.
If he does make it into the ring, my money would be on Peter. 4 years out, 37 years old, no warm up and made of biscuits, Peter may be average but i'm sure he'd win.
If he does make it into the ring, my money would be on Peter. 4 years out, 37 years old, no warm up and made of biscuits, Peter may be average but i'm sure he'd win.
tut tut...... vitali outboxes peter on the jab, any day of the week, lennox could not shift vitali, so peter wont.Lenny wrote:No way can I see Vitali coming through a full training camp unscathed. If I was a heavyweight contender (Haye) I would be getting myself ready to offer to step in once Klitschko breaks something.
If he does make it into the ring, my money would be on Peter. 4 years out, 37 years old, no warm up and made of biscuits, Peter may be average but i'm sure he'd win.
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DG.
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Re: Peter v Klitschko is on!!
scrap iron wrote:Samuel Peter will meet Vitali Klitschko in either the first or second weekend of October. Peter will first defend his WBC title in July, then take on Vitali. If victorious he hopes to fight Wladmir next year. I would fancy Vitali to win this a few years ago, but it looks lke he going to take on Samuel without a warm-up fight first. After four years out, that's a difficult one to call.
Sick note won't turn up- Haye will be ready and will step in.
The other contenders will all be 5 stone overweight and eating Burger King and Krispy Kreme!
Just wait and see!
Peter wouldn't stand a chance against that Klitschko but that was a long time ago now wasn't it. Since then Vitali has suffered many injuries, had 4 years out of the ring, is in his late 30's and his body shape has changed almost beyond recognition. If he did make it to the ring I could quite easily see Peter stopping him.rhino222 wrote:tut tut...... vitali outboxes peter on the jab, any day of the week, lennox could not shift vitali, so peter wont.Lenny wrote:No way can I see Vitali coming through a full training camp unscathed. If I was a heavyweight contender (Haye) I would be getting myself ready to offer to step in once Klitschko breaks something.
If he does make it into the ring, my money would be on Peter. 4 years out, 37 years old, no warm up and made of biscuits, Peter may be average but i'm sure he'd win.
Also, even then Vitali didn't beat fighters by outboxing them on the jab??
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Captain Hook
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Agreed, 4 years is too long and I seriously can't see this happening anyway.Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:People are forgetting the lad hasn't fought competitively in 4 years by the time he faces Peter. That's a huge amount of time to lose ring rust.
No chance he'll win. Peter by KO.
Shirow, I'm up for a sweepstake too. If he does fight suggest we give it to charity.
If it does I'll take Peter by TKO in 6/7.
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DG.
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I had heard he loks very slim these days?Lenny wrote:Peter wouldn't stand a chance against that Klitschko but that was a long time ago now wasn't it. Since then Vitali has suffered many injuries, had 4 years out of the ring, is in his late 30's and his body shape has changed almost beyond recognition. If he did make it to the ring I could quite easily see Peter stopping him.rhino222 wrote:tut tut...... vitali outboxes peter on the jab, any day of the week, lennox could not shift vitali, so peter wont.Lenny wrote:No way can I see Vitali coming through a full training camp unscathed. If I was a heavyweight contender (Haye) I would be getting myself ready to offer to step in once Klitschko breaks something.
If he does make it into the ring, my money would be on Peter. 4 years out, 37 years old, no warm up and made of biscuits, Peter may be average but i'm sure he'd win.
Also, even then Vitali didn't beat fighters by outboxing them on the jab??
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Bard of Boxrec
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peter is terrible. no way he finds a way of solving the awkward physical riddle of vitali. all Vit will need is decent shape. easy fight for him i think IF he's right.overhand_right wrote:Eh? You sure about that one Riddick?Riddick Blowe wrote:vitali should smoke peter.
4 years out, 36 and injury prone?
Think Peter would batter him, and set up the dull prospect of a Wlad K rematch.
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jameswilson
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Not really when you consider Peter ends up breathing out his arse after 4 rounds in 90% of his fights.Goz wrote:Bit of a leap of logic stating Vitali is fitter when he hasn't fought in nearly 4 years.
I doubt Vitali has put on that much weight in his time off and his training always seems to see him come in to fights fit for 12 rounds.