Tua v. Cameron

[Darkshark]

Just heard this ones been finalised for March. Official announcement should be forthcoming shortly.
I've got Tua insdie 4 rounds.
Opinions?

[N2 Shape]

Who/what is your source?

It's been all through the NZ papers lately issues with whos promoting, and clashes with Shanes March 7 date etc where threatening to postpone it till middle of next year.

I really hope for David to come in Shape if hes trained hard and is in shape then I got David inside 6 to much power, shanes style is made for David, and David has the proven and tested chin

[toppity]

if it comes off, and both come to the fight in good shape and injury free it will be an awesome fight. Can't see shane KOing David, but if David connects it will be over for Shane. Hope it happens.

[Marlin]

That pretty much sums it up toppo

[Darkshark]

Source is a guy who's pretty reliable for boxing news in NZ, he's not in either camp but is involved with a couple of other fighters in Aus and NZ, one of whom I think has been approached as a sparring partner for Cameron leading up to this fight.
Apparently Hotchins got the deal done in the end.
You're right about Shanes style N2 Shape. Not enough head movement, defense and he doesn't seem comfortable enough fighting off the back foot - going forward into Tua wont be an option.
Definately the biggest fight NZ has ever seen.
Be a great tune up for Tua if he's serious about making another comeback, but thats all it'll really be, Camerons not known in the US and I dont think anyone takes him or his belts that seriously do they?
I'm thinking it's a bit of a no win for Cameron - should he lose, well Tua's knocked alot of guys out over the years but you'd have to say he's past his best.
Should Cameron win - well people will just say he beat a washed up Tua.
The only way he really makes any noise is with a KO - but I agree with Toppity, can't see that happening.

[N2 Shape]

Hmmmm got an idea who your talking about. Problem is there really isnt anyone available down here suitable enough for Cameron to spar in prep for Tua. Maybe Hoppa, theres plenty of guys similar in statue but no where near enough durable or skilled to give Shane the rounds needed. Daivd i believe has the contacts etc to head to the US and train there using quality sparrign partners/trainers etc. DCould make all the difference. But i agree theres noway shane can bully Tua around the ring he'll have to fight of the back foot last time anyone forced him to do that he was cut to shreads and stopped by Friday.

[dan h]

Cameron will absolutely demolish Tua!

[Darkshark]

Cameron will absolutely demolish Tua!

Man where do these people come from,
Camerons good, but N2 Shape's right last time he needed to fight on the outside going backwards he got messed up.
Cameron doesn't have the power to bother Tua - who has walked through some much heavier handed guys without trouble - or having the skills to stay far enough away from Tua for 12 rounds.
We know Cameron doens't have a glass jaw, but is it as good as Lewis'? Ike's? Can he move and box like Byrd? Does he have Rahman's right hand?

[Darkshark]

Hmmmm got an idea who your talking about. Problem is there really isnt anyone available down here suitable enough for Cameron to spar in prep for Tua. Maybe Hoppa, theres plenty of guys similar in statue but no where near enough durable or skilled to give Shane the rounds needed. Daivd i believe has the contacts etc to head to the US and train there using quality sparrign partners/trainers etc. DCould make all the difference. But i agree theres noway shane can bully Tua around the ring he'll have to fight of the back foot last time anyone forced him to do that he was cut to shreads and stopped by Friday.

Yeah the sparring's gonna be important, but who would you get in to prepare you for Tua? I wouldn't bother with Hoppa, cause he doesn't have the defense and head movement that Tua does, I have no doubt they'll bring Welliver in again -which could be a good thing, at least Cameron will be ready to go at a good pace for a while, but you still need someone that hits hard so avoiding heavy shots becomes second nature...

[buster007]

vic darchinyan will have some spare time so if he stands on a chair and makes cameron wear a donaire mask the cameron should feel them punches for sure.

[Marlin]

vic darchinyan will have some spare time so if he stands on a chair and makes cameron wear a donaire mask the cameron should feel them punches for sure.

Vic would knock Cameron out, just ask him!

[buster007]

lol yes

[N2 Shape]

Chauncy is the only guy durable enough to give Shane the rounds he needs. He also pushes Shane hard every round, keeps him honest and is great at simulating another guys (Tua in this case) style. He'd be valuable as always to Shanes training. Shane will need a guy whos going to press forward constantly who wont take a backwards step and Chauncy can provide that. He'll also need to spar a guy who can physically bully him around a bit and with someone who's power Shane respect as its easy during sparring light-handed guys to become to agressive and leave holes. Shane would at least respect Hoppas power and Hoppa would be strong enough to physcially mix it around with Shane. i think a combo of sparring Chauncy and Hoppa could work, you get a bit of everything for both of them but it comes down to cost. perhaps Chauncy and Hoppa could then fight on the undercard

[signature]

Interesting Fight, David Tua one of the greatest talents in the heavyweight division never to win a world title. Shame Cameron I saw live in Sydney and was very impressed however since his loss, his career has seen to stagnate and he cuts to easy, plus he has issues with his chin and as mentioned doesn't move his head enough. Tua, if he comes in shape and is prepared to work should get the TKO, however Shane having the reach and height advanced could just use his jab and box for the entire fight, getting a points victory.

[toppity]

Chauncy is the only guy durable enough to give Shane the rounds he needs. He also pushes Shane hard every round, keeps him honest and is great at simulating another guys (Tua in this case) style. He'd be valuable as always to Shanes training. Shane will need a guy whos going to press forward constantly who wont take a backwards step and Chauncy can provide that. He'll also need to spar a guy who can physically bully him around a bit and with someone who's power Shane respect as its easy during sparring light-handed guys to become to agressive and leave holes. Shane would at least respect Hoppas power and Hoppa would be strong enough to physcially mix it around with Shane. i think a combo of sparring Chauncy and Hoppa could work, you get a bit of everything for both of them but it comes down to cost. perhaps Chauncy and Hoppa could then fight on the undercard

do you happen to represent either of these prospective sparring partners?

[Uppercut1]

Looking forward to watching Tua fight again. Haven't really seen many of his fights since his loss to Lennox in 2000. Always liked Tua.

[N2 Shape]

Perhaps..........

Ummm when was the last time you see Shane sit behind his jab and work up a points win? Even if he wants to try do that he doesnt have a significant height and reach advantage, and hes no Chris Byrd either.

[Marlin]

Interesting Fight, David Tua one of the greatest talents in the heavyweight division never to win a world title. Shame Cameron I saw live in Sydney and was very impressed however since his loss, his career has seen to stagnate and he cuts to easy, plus he has issues with his chin and as mentioned doesn't move his head enough. Tua, if he comes in shape and is prepared to work should get the TKO, however Shane having the reach and height advanced could just use his jab and box for the entire fight, getting a points victory.

If he lands a left hook it is more likely to be a full blown KO than a TKO.

[Hounddawg]

Chauncy is the only guy durable enough to give Shane the rounds he needs. He also pushes Shane hard every round, keeps him honest and is great at simulating another guys (Tua in this case) style. He'd be valuable as always to Shanes training. Shane will need a guy whos going to press forward constantly who wont take a backwards step and Chauncy can provide that. He'll also need to spar a guy who can physically bully him around a bit and with someone who's power Shane respect as its easy during sparring light-handed guys to become to agressive and leave holes. Shane would at least respect Hoppas power and Hoppa would be strong enough to physcially mix it around with Shane. i think a combo of sparring Chauncy and Hoppa could work, you get a bit of everything for both of them but it comes down to cost. perhaps Chauncy and Hoppa could then fight on the undercard

do you happen to represent either of these prospective sparring partners?

Yeah mate he represents Chauncy. His Promoter.

[Marlin]

[stewza]

I hope Tua comes in good shape if this fight eventuates.

I also hope Tua gets a decent payday considering his troubles of the past.

[adamheight]

there will be blood

[Marlin]

[convict]

I just read this http://www.stuff.co.nz/sundaynews/4762391a15599.html
I cant belive Cameron is worth $400,000....The same as what Tua is worth for this fight.

[toppity]

I just read this http://www.stuff.co.nz/sundaynews/4762391a15599.html
I cant belive Cameron is worth $400,000....The same as what Tua is worth for this fight.

Tua has been absent for awhile, therefore his stocks diminish a little, but on the world stage he still has to be worth more than Cameron.