Ron Lyle's comback

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 08 Jun 2003, 11:33

I was just thinking about Ron Lyles 4 fight comeback in 1995, does anybody know why he stopped? In most cases it takes a KO by a poor fighter to make them stop and realise they aint got it anymore such as Shavers getting KO'd by Brian Yates. Lyle won four fightes against very poor oppersition then just disappeared. Although I do remember reading that he looked in good shape.

Did he get KO'd in sparring? get injured?

Any info fight fans?

Tyson KTFO 3 Times · Post by **Tyson KTFO 3 Times** » 08 Jun 2003, 16:46

Got to admit i did not even know that he had made a comeback

, i must go read boxing jornals and come back with lots of info......lol

Vetteguy99 · Post by **Vetteguy99** » 09 Jun 2003, 02:57

Jerry Cooney- it was unfair for Ron he was the Ray Mercer of his
day only better. By the time Cooney got to him it was a slaughter.

phil · Post by **phil** » 09 Jun 2003, 04:02

Can't remember Cooney fighting Lyle.............!!

There is an earlier thread in the archives on LYLE.......have a look there.

Phil

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 26 Jun 2003, 12:28

phil wrote:Can't remember Cooney fighting Lyle.............!!

There is an earlier thread in the archives on LYLE.......have a look there.

Phil

Cooney KO'd Lyle in one, the thread I found on Lyle didn't have much information so I'm 'upping' this in the hope of more information.

Thanks

phil · Post by **phil** » 07 Jul 2003, 05:36

How stupid of me - didn't register...I actually have the fight!

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 27 Aug 2003, 12:35

Just one last bump incase of more info

Controversial · Post by **Controversial** » 27 Aug 2003, 15:19

Vetteguy99 wrote:Jerry Cooney- it was unfair for Ron he was the Ray Mercer of his
day only better. By the time Cooney got to him it was a slaughter.

I don't know why Ron Lyle finally gave up but he made a comeback 15 years after losing to Cooney.

He fought -

07/04/1995 Bruce Johnson WKO4
12/05/1995 Tim Pollard WKO2
09/06/1995 Ed Strickland WKO2
18/08/1995 Dave Slaughter WKO2

He then retired after these 4 KO wins. Probably realised he didn't have it in him anymore. Apparently in 2002 he was a security guard for VIP Security Guards at the Tropicana Hotel in Las Vegas, probably still working there.

Riddick Bowie · Post by **Riddick Bowie** » 28 Sep 2003, 13:25

ron lyle made a comeback in 1995 in the hopes of a rematch with world heavyweight champion george foreman.

when advised the fight was not a possibility by the foreman people, ron lyle retired again.

PS teraps extremist posts as usual ring false. jimmy young looked like a butchers slab after 4 rds with cooney. the fight had to be stopped.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 01 Oct 2003, 11:32

Neil (The Bounty) Hunter wrote:ron lyle made a comeback in 1995 in the hopes of a rematch with world heavyweight champion george foreman.

when advised the fight was not a possibility by the foreman people, ron lyle retired again.

Thanks for the feedback, that makes a lot of sense, cheers. If Big George does make his comback next year lets hope Lyle, Shavers and Holmes etc don't get any comback urges either.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 02 Oct 2003, 01:22

I've always thought that if we'd dig hard enough, someone would find a help wanted ad in some publication as follows: Wanted. Middle aged gentleman of Negro persuasion to stand in center of ring and let large caucasian hit him with left hooks until he drops or referee saves him from further abuse. no experience necessary unless it was a long time ago and your reflexes are shot. Contact J. Cooney inc at listed box number. Our emplyees know of this ad.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 02 Oct 2003, 12:36

samuel...i have not declared myself an "expert"...it was the large number of posters on this forum who gave me that title.

re:cooney...considering the "opposition" cooney made his record on before the holmes fight, i was surprised at the good showing he did make in that title bout....better than several others who challenged. without the low blows he might not have done so well, but then boxing is not tiddly winks.

one of my favorite memories of that contest is howard cosell's commentary...."can holmes continue to stand up to cooney's power...how long can holmes avoid that bnig left hook...will be able to finish...cooney is down..cooney is down...his handlers are in the ring and the fight is over."

Riddick Bowie · Post by **Riddick Bowie** » 03 Oct 2003, 06:28

terap is a teenager.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 03 Oct 2003, 09:53

Personally I think that Cooney was one of Holmes better challengers for the title. I agree however the Norton and Lyle were shot when Conney beat them, but Cooney could only beat the men his managment put in front of him. I cannot comment on the Cooney - Young fight as I have never seen it, although hopefully one day I will get hold of a copy.

Cooney did indeed put up a good performance against a prime and highly motivated Holmes, he did better that most against a prime Holmes, this alone suggests to me that he was a fighter of some ability. I think it is reasonable to suggest he could mix with Tua, Mesi, Byrd, Rahman, Klitcho's, Gomez etc etc I'm not saying he would beat them all, but I'm sure his big left hook would have KO'd some of todays top 10 heavys.

Having said that I think a prime Lyle or Young would have beaten Cooney 9 times out of 10. But Norton may have always struggled with Cooney at any time in his career. Norton could be chinned early as we all know and with Cooneys big left hook...... who knows? IF Norton gets through the first three rounds, and gets warmed up he could grind down Cooney for a late stoppage. But for the first three rounds it's a pick em fight.

Riddick Bowie · Post by **Riddick Bowie** » 03 Oct 2003, 10:38

terap wrote:Neil is a shill who parrots the media talking points on the media-created "heroes."

Like all of his kind, Neil is mindless, and can only offer insults which are irrevelant to the subject of boxing.
That is because he has no idea what boxing is.

Neil and his kind are disturbed by anything by does not lick the ground for ttheir sell pathetic and redundant sell of the media talking points they parrot.

damn ive never been called a mindless shill before!

who are these media created heroes i love so much?

who are my favorite boxers, terap? one of them is... JIMMY YOUNG!! i guess hes another of my lame 'media created heroes'.

re-read your second paragraph and then read your contributions to this thread. eating out of toilets and so forth. or is that 'relevent' to boxing.

you'll grow up eventually matey.

Riddick Bowie · Post by **Riddick Bowie** » 03 Oct 2003, 14:25

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

heres terap contradicting himself again!!!

since when did punch power constitute abilities?

norton was vulnerable to a puncher. ali wasnt a puncher. if that makes ali a shitty fighter what about terpas beloved icon jimmy young, who also failed to knockout or even knock down norton as well.

by teraps logic, that makes a negative statement on youngs much heralded abilties.

one rule for ali, one rule for young it seems with terap.

if i get any other response than 'your an ali media shill' or 'you dont understand the technical side of boxing' ill be amazed.

Vetteguy99 · Post by **Vetteguy99** » 03 Oct 2003, 21:50

I can not remember a closer fight then the Young vs Norton fight.
That fight could have gone either way.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 04 Oct 2003, 06:36

terap wrote:I love the comment that

"Norton may have always struggled with Cooney at any time in his career. Norton could be chinned early as we all know and with Cooneys big left hook...... who knows? IF Norton gets through the first three rounds, and gets warmed up he could grind down Cooney for a late stoppage. But for the first three rounds it's a pick em fight."

DO you realize that this same Ken Norton fought Ali a TOTAL OF 49 ROUNDS without getting knocked down once?

Do you realize that Ali fought this same Ken Norton THREE TIMES without ever being able to beat him convincingly?

What kind of comment have you made on Ali's punching power---AND his overall ability as a fighter.

Quite a comment that is on Ali's "abilities."

All I was saying was Norton 'may' have got chinned early by a big hitter like Cooney. IMO Norton was a better fighter than Cooney but even Norton admitted in a interview I read he was vulnerable early to big punchers. Once Kenny got warmed up he was a hell of a fighter. Foreman has stated many times he knew to beat Norton he had to get him out of there early, because if Kenny got warmed up he could be in trouble

Yes I am fully aware that Norton fought Ali 3 times and gave Ali hell
everytime and was robben in the third fight etc etc. But I was talking about Cooney's ability as a fightern not Ali's.

Riddick Bowie · Post by **Riddick Bowie** » 04 Oct 2003, 06:41

terap come with something new, pleeeease!

i have read your conspiracy theories countless times on boxrec and cbz and there just getting old now.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 04 Oct 2003, 06:51

Am I missing something? I started a sensible thread about Ron Lyle, then all of a sudden I get accused of questioning Ali's fighting qualities!!!

I don't think I've ever stated my opinions on Ali on this Forum. I'm willing to talk about Boxing with anyone, but check all my posts and threads I have never insulted another poster once wether I agree with their points or not and I'm not going to start now.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 04 Oct 2003, 09:22

terap wrote:How about a thread on Ron Lyle when he was good?

Not when he was a shot "dead body" for others to pad their records with.

Fair point Terap, but I started this thread just to ask the question if anybody knew why his comback stopped as it usually takes a brutal KO by a much lesser fighter to mak them stop. I was just curious thats all.

IMO a prime Lyle would beat many of todays top Heavyweights. IMO in recent years I would only favour prime Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis and Bowe to beat him, although I am sure Lyle would put up a great fight.

I also think it's a shame Lyle and a young Larry Holmes never got it together say around 78-79, it could have been an interesting fight.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 05 Oct 2003, 12:01

terap wrote:What were Ron Lyle's best wins?

His best fights?

Lyle had 51 fights, won 43, with 31 KO's, lost 7, 1 draw

I remember Jimmy Young told me about the Lyle-Shavers fight.

He said Shavers flattened Lyle, Lyle got up went into a corner--put his shoulder in front of his chin--(Young demonstrated)--covered up. Then came back to KO Shavers.

That was a shootout like the Lyle-Foreman fight.

Young said Lyle was a good puncher (others he named were Shavers, Quarry, and Foreman) and had good combinations.

Of course Young was Lyle's nemesis---beating Lyle twice and sidetracking his career.

Lyle of course was robbed in his fight with Ali.
After the fight Lyle cornerman Cickie Ferraro said of the stoppage, "It wasn't kosher."

Lyle himself said after the fight, "I won every round, man."

I saw Lyle fight against Baltimore heavyweight Larry Middleton---a strange fighter who had some characteristics of a top level fighter (a good chin, good infighter, good at creating the right distance between himself and his opponent)
but also had no effective offense.
I never saw a fighter exactly like that.

Lyle had KO'd Middleton (in a surprise---that fight made Lyle noticed for the first time) in an earlier fight.

In the fight I saw Lyle won a decision over Middleton.
I also saw Middleton lose a decision to Bonavena.

When Lyle took off his robe before the fight, a spectator sitting near me said to me, "He's built like King Kong , but he fights like a fag."

I think the guy was referring to Lyle's fight with Quarry.

I have the impression Lyle froze in his fight with Quarry.
Lyle had only fought out west before that (Denver, Colorado).

His fight with Quarry was his first fight in New York--in Madison Square Garden.
Lyle fought in a stiff, wooden way.
Quarry was much looser, more relaxed psychologically.

I think Lyle was a better fighter than Quarry. But he lost that fight.

Lyle beat Jimmy Ellis, Buster Mathis, Gregorio Peralta, Oscar Bonavena, Ernie Shavers, Joe Bugner.

His "fight" with Cooney once he was washed up was garbage--as were the "wins" Cooney had over Norton and Jimmy Young.
Those were for the mindless sheep to swallow.

Although I didn't like the mocking tone of your reply to my 'Coonet/Norton' post I have to say I agree with most of your points in the above post. I have the Lyle V Shavers fight, and I've read many times that Shavers always believes Lyle got a long count in that one. I'ts been a while since I've wached it so I wont comment at this point, but I do remember that Shavers told me Lyle was the hardest puncher he ever met.

You said that Young said Quarry was a good puncher, as they never fought do you know if they ever sparred each other? I read in a recent Jimmy Young interview that Young thought "Quarry would have given me a lot of problems". Also in this interview Young claimed to have fought untill 1990 and not the listed 1988.

As for who was the best Lyle or Quarry? Thats a close one to call, if Quarry's mind was right he was a tough man to beat, I lean towards Quarry but only slightly.

As for the Ali/Lyle stoppage I only have long highlights so can''t really comment on the scoring but from what I recall the stoppage was slightly premature.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 05 Oct 2003, 14:24

I remember the interview with Young after his Foreman victory, talking about how he sparred with Norton (for Ken's third fight with Ali I think) and that Norton chucked Jimmy out of the camp as he couldn't land a punch on him, Jimmy claimes.

Terap do you know if Jimmy's claim that he had several more fights than listed on his record is true (maybe they were non-sanctioned fights?) and that his last fight was in 1990 , Biloxi, Mississippi?

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 05 Oct 2003, 14:39

terap wrote:"I read in a recent Jimmy Young interview that Young thought "Quarry would have given me a lot of problems". "

Where did you see this interview?

What else can you tell about it?

Terap I've just this minute got it off my shelf, it's from Boxing News 15th August 2003. It's very interesting but quite sad at times when talking about his drink and drug problems. At the time of writting he had been clean for 4 months, I hope he still is. The man seems to have a remarkable memory abouts his career, dates, times etc thats why I'm so interested in the extra fights he claimes to have have had.

The quote he made conserning Quarry was "Quarry was the only guy I think would have give me a real hard time. That's the one guy I didn't really want to fight".

He also claimes that Don King would not let him near Larry Holmes. He claimes the Foreman fight was one of his easiest as George was so slow, he could see everything coming.

The interviewer Tris Dixon said Jimmy was one of the nicest people he had ever met.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 05 Oct 2003, 14:45

terap wrote:I have no interest in Young's later "fights."

I have a great interest in his career up to the Foreman fight--and not beyond.

I have no idea wether these extre fights were all at the end of his career or spaced throughout his entire career.

I agree it was a terrible waste of talent when Jimmy went downhill.