Rules on Private Shows,Alcohol,Ring Girls,Ect. at shows?

[415BOXING]

Here in Northern California Our President,Oscar Ortiz has required that if we want to have a show where alcohol is served,that we have to fill out a separate form for that,also the liquor license of the venue must be shown.Alot of venues with licenses will refuse to do so,even though they have it!From what I'm hearing,the ring girls cannot wear bikinis any more(I don't mind that),also no more entertainment,which I assume means no DJ,no singers during intermission,and now restrictions on alcohol!!!!!!!!!Where does this end!Some of these shows clubs here in NorCal put on are on the extravigent side,which gives the boxers a taste of almost boxing on a pro card.I know some people may not like the idea of this,but as a boxer most like this feeling of boxing on these shows

[boxmel]

These are not USA Boxing rules but a policy being introduced by Oscar. We have a policy in SoCal that states ring card girls at private shows must have their "intimate" areas fully covered, as opposed to bare boobs and G-strings of the past.

[Slythex]

We have a policy in SoCal that states ring card girls at private shows must have their "intimate" areas fully covered, as opposed to bare boobs and G-strings of the past.

Man, I got into boxing at the wrong time, in the wrong location :-)

Most of the time our 'ring card girls' are usually just little kids who get a kick out of holding the ring cards...

Even PA doesn't have the same restrictions that it looks like you guys are being subject to.

That said, it sounds like someone is flexing their political muscle, and hopefully, once the core issues are resolved, things will go back to normal. That's what happened during our legal battles with the PA commission. At one point, PA insisted on assigning officials (which violates all sorts of USA Boxing rules, including the right to participate act). It all got worked out eventually.

[boxmel]

Man, I got into boxing at the wrong time, in the wrong location

Ha ha, John. I quit working private shows because of this. The Jonathan Club here used to have a policy that Afro American's weren't allowed membership in their club - I quit working that show, too.

Most of the time our 'ring card girls' are usually just little kids who get a kick out of holding the ring cards...

Us, too - or bigger girls who are reasonably clad.

That said, it sounds like someone is flexing their political muscle, and hopefully, once the core issues are resolved, things will go back to normal.

The last time the CSAC flexed their muscle, they damned near ruined the sport! Now - ask me how I really feel!

At one point, PA insisted on assigning officials (which violates all sorts of USA Boxing rules, including the right to participate act).

Yeah - they insisted on assigning their pro refs so they would get work in the ring. You guys had a real mess out there and it took months to clear it up.

[Dennis]

I'm glad I don't live in NoCal. I personally never drink alcohol at a boxing show so I don't mind going to dry shows. However, wet shows are typically more successful, financially at least. I think the ring card girls attire should be tasteful. Sometimes they do get too sleazy. I like it when they have the women wear semi-formal attire. They are sexy AND classy. It is a good combination.

[415BOXING]

I do a number of shows here in NorCal,they are real nice shows that are done in a ballroom at a social club,we are lucky that the club let's us use their facility at a very minimal cost,but the alcohol sales go to the venue and the door sales,concessions and t-shirts go to the club.You must realize here in NorCal it is very expensive to put on a show,since we don't have a ring,the total cost runs usually anywhere from 2,000-2,500,now you know why my club has to put on the show at this venue.All our proceeds go to keeping our gym updated and to take our kids to tournament,which everyone knows is very expensive.Some clubs have a facility,a ring and other things,but some clubs like ours have to use venues like these to put on shows,we should encourage clubs,big or small to put on shows so that these boxers get the opportunity to compete as Much as possible,unfortunatly we have coaches who are trying to bring down LBC 38 instead of encouraging opportunities for our youth

[415BOXING]

I would like people to post if there are private shows conducted in there LBC,also are there any restrictions or any extra things they must do to have a show that sells alcohol.

[JMac]

I would like people to post if there are private shows conducted in there LBC,also are there any restrictions or any extra things they must do to have a show that sells alcohol.

In the South Atlantic LBC, many shows have alcohol and nothing special is needed other than a the place where the show is held having a liquor license. I've seen plenty of scantily dressed ring card girls also. They are making a big to do about nothing in Nor Cal with that athletic club show. Somebody needs to get a life. If they don't want their kids to box on the show then don't box. No one is making them box. It's not a LBC tournament.

[415BOXING]

I agree,if a parent or coach doesn't want their child or fighter to box on a private show,then don't put their name In for the show!Now our LBC President Oscar Ortiz is requiring a seperate form if the show sells alcohol,also u must submit the venues alcohol license,i'm wondering the legality of that,and if any other LBC's ask for the same thing

[Slythex]

Here in Allegheny Mountain, we occasionally have private shows, but that doesn't seem to have any bearing on the presence or absence of alcohol.

Considering that we had a public outdoor show at this biker bar called 'Bikers, Babes, Beer and Boxing,' I think it's safe to say that alcohol isn't an issue generally.

I do not know if the PA sanction fees or paperwork requires anything specific for alcohol. And considering that PA is a pain with most things, but presumably not with alcohol, I'm guessing it's a nonissue here.

[Dennis]

I would like people to post if there are private shows conducted in there LBC,also are there any restrictions or any extra things they must do to have a show that sells alcohol.

In the South Atlantic LBC, many shows have alcohol and nothing special is needed other than a the place where the show is held having a liquor license. I've seen plenty of scantily dressed ring card girls also. They are making a big to do about nothing in Nor Cal with that athletic club show. Somebody needs to get a life. If they don't want their kids to box on the show then don't box. No one is making them box. It's not a LBC tournament.

Great post! I agree! Stop the damn whining (not you JMac, but the ones in CA doing it) and move on.

[dangercoach]

Actually, so that everyone knows, The Board of Governors last fall ( before I was president) made a motion, voted, and passed that anyone having alcohol and ringcard girls at their show must disclose that in their event flyer so that the clubs can choose wether or not to take their kids. After that motion, which EVERYONE at the meeting voted for, passed, and then it was ignored. The "extra form" is just a way to insure the will of the BOG at that meeting is followed. The copy of the booze license issue is a no brainer to me, as some shows ( believe it or not) would just buy a keg and sell beer at their event, making huge profits, but breaking several ABC (State Alcohol Beverage Control) laws. Asking for a copy just helps insure USA boxing is not ignoring the state laws. Why is this a big deal for licensed facilities? I do not understand that, unless conditions of their ABC permit put restrictions about minors, etc. The California State Athletic Commission has filed a complaint with our LBC because of these private shows, and the state Attorney General's Office is investigating and subpeoning documents. I've only been president for 2 months, but this is the mess I inherited from events in our LBC from before I was president. Now, I'm just fighting to keep the CSAC from shutting down this LBC and forcing the LBC members to follow state laws. 415, I suspect you have my phone number, feel free to call me and I can fill you in. Also, the CSAC is quoting a Business and Professions Code (state law) that prohibits "entertainment" (i.e. bikini girls) at amateur boxing events. I'm not a lawyer, and I'd hate for this LBC to spend money on attorneys when it should go towards athletes, but I do know that the Business and Professions Code also establishes that the CSAC "outranks" USA Boxing when it comes to amatuer boxing, and the Attorney Generals Office for the State of California "outranks" us when it comes to our non-profit status. So we can continue to ignore them as we have in past years and end up like the state of PA, or we can come together as an LBC and fix things. --Oscar Ortiz