The Mega ATG HW championship group 1 matches

[Robinson]

Group 1.

12 rounders/
The fighters have weighed in and been matched up.

John L Sullivan (192lbs) Vs Peter Maher (190lbs)

James J Corbett (183lbs) Vs Jimmy Bivins (195lbs)

Bob Fitzsimmons (172lbs) Vs Jake Kilrain (187lbs)

James J Jeffries (217lbs) Vs Tony Tucker (219lbs)

Marvin Hart (180lbs) Vs Chris Byrd (210lbs)

Tommy Burns (183lbs) Vs Lee Q Murray (206lbs)

Jack Johnson (194lbs) Vs Lee Savold (199lbs)

Jess Willard (229lbs) Vs Frank Bruno (239lbs)

Jack Dempsey (184lbs) Vs Tom Sharkey (181lbs)

Gene Tunney (186lbs) Vs Sam McVea (199lbs)

Max Schmelling (190lbs) vs Sam Langford (178lbs)

Jack Sharkey (200lbs) Vs Joe Jeanette (203lbs)

[HomicideHenry]

DAMN Kym! These are absoloute excellent matches. These put alot of the HW hypotheticals to shame. An excellent 'first round' in this series, I can't wait until the simulator is up and running to make the predictions on these fights!

[Robinson]

I told you I had our top phycisists on it ;)

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

Group 1.

12 rounders/
The fighters have weighed in and been matched up.

John L Sullivan (192lbs) via mid rd KO Vs Peter Maher (190lbs)

James J Corbett (183lbs) Vs Jimmy Bivins (195lbs) via wide UD

Bob Fitzsimmons (172lbs) via mid rd KO Vs Jake Kilrain (187lbs)

James J Jeffries (217lbs) Vs Tony Tucker (219lbs) via wide UD

Marvin Hart (180lbs) Vs Chris Byrd (210lbs) via wide UD

Tommy Burns (183lbs) Vs Lee Q Murray (206lbs) via wide UD

Jack Johnson (194lbs) Vs Lee Savold (199lbs)~ double DQ

Jess Willard (229lbs) via late rd KO Vs Frank Bruno (239lbs)

Jack Dempsey (184lbs) via first rd KO Vs Tom Sharkey (181lbs)

Gene Tunney (186lbs) via mid rd KO Vs Sam McVea (199lbs)

Max Schmelling (190lbs) vs Sam Langford (178lbs) via mid rd KO

Jack Sharkey (200lbs) via controversial SD Vs Joe Jeanette (203lbs)

[BoxBuzz]

Group 1.

12 rounders/
The fighters have weighed in and been matched up.

John L Sullivan (192lbs) Vs Peter Maher (190lbs)

James J Corbett (183lbs) Vs Jimmy Bivins (195lbs)

Bob Fitzsimmons (172lbs) Vs Jake Kilrain (187lbs)

James J Jeffries (217lbs) Vs Tony Tucker (219lbs)

Marvin Hart (180lbs) Vs Chris Byrd (210lbs)

Tommy Burns (183lbs) Vs Lee Q Murray (206lbs)

Jack Johnson (194lbs) Vs Lee Savold (199lbs)

Jess Willard (229lbs) Vs Frank Bruno (239lbs)

Jack Dempsey (184lbs) Vs Tom Sharkey (181lbs)

Gene Tunney (186lbs) Vs Sam McVea (199lbs)

Max Schmelling (190lbs) vs Sam Langford (178lbs)

Jack Sharkey (200lbs) Vs Joe Jeanette (203lbs)

I'm calling it for those in bold. No call in Schmelling vs Langford.

[Robinson]

Henry...do you want to keep score of peoples
predictions and tally them up to see who wins.

The winner gets a hug.

[Collins2000]

God, what a boring thread!

[Collins2000]

Henry...do you want to keep score of peoples
predictions and tally them up to see who wins.

The winner gets a hug.

No point in putting BRR and Bobby's picks in, is there?

[Robinson]

Collins...you should be in charge of keeping tab.
:P

Ill post the fights tonight. The resluts are in...

[dempseyfire]

Group 1.

12 rounders/
The fighters have weighed in and been matched up.

John L Sullivan (192lbs) Vs Peter Maher (190lbs)

James J Corbett (183lbs) Vs Jimmy Bivins (195lbs)

Bob Fitzsimmons (172lbs) Vs Jake Kilrain (187lbs)

James J Jeffries (217lbs) Vs Tony Tucker (219lbs)

Marvin Hart (180lbs) Vs Chris Byrd (210lbs)

Tommy Burns (183lbs) Vs Lee Q Murray (206lbs)

Jack Johnson (194lbs) Vs Lee Savold (199lbs)

Jess Willard (229lbs) Vs Frank Bruno (239lbs)

Jack Dempsey (184lbs) Vs Tom Sharkey (181lbs)

Gene Tunney (186lbs) Vs Sam McVea (199lbs)

Max Schmelling (190lbs) vs Sam Langford (178lbs)

Jack Sharkey (200lbs) Vs Joe Jeanette (203lbs)

[Collins2000]

Collins...you should be in charge of keeping tab.
:P

Ill post the fights tonight. The resluts are in...

Did you mention a spreadsheet would be the best thing for Rufus to put the results in?

No wonder he disappeared again.

[Robinson]

I think he did a spreadsheet alright...just not
an excell one.

[Robinson]

The results are as follows...

[Collins2000]

I think he did a spreadsheet alright...just not
an excell one.

I'll check with him.

[Robinson]

Fight 1- John L Sullivan Vs Peter Maher.

Early on Maher clinched and did his best to take the inside fight.
Sullivan seemed the stronger of the two and managed to floor Maher
after a series in the 2nd round. Sullivan dominated the 3rd and towards
the end he trapped the game Maher against the ropes forcing the
ref to step in.

Sullivan TKO 3.

Fight 2- James J Corbett vs Jimmy Bivins.

Corbett looked to dart in and out early on, but it was the consistent
jab and the occasional right hand from Bivins that began to gain
Bivins the lead. Corbett managed to scramble well when both were
on the inside, but by the fights end it was Bivins who looked the most
conving as the winner.

Bivins UD 12.

Fight 3- Bob Fitzsimmons Vs Jake Kilrain.

Kilrain rushed Bob early managing to back him up, but after a brief
exchange both men clinched for the duration of the first round.
In the opeining blows of the 2nd round Fitzsimmons blasted a right
hand to Kilrain's head that sent him down like he was shot. What power...

Fitzsimmons KO 2.

Fight 4- James J jeffries vs Tony Tucker.

Early on it was clear that Jeffries wanted to fight on the inside,
he was able to clinch after Tucker thumped the jab home. Inside jeffries
looked to throw uppercuts, blows to the body and nudges with the head.
In the middle rounds Tucker kept the fight at a distance, out ranging
Jeffries with his jab and movement. Jeffries following and swiping away with
fury in each miss and near hit. By the fights end, a swollen faced
Jeffries shook his head in anger and frustration.

Tucker UD.

Fight 5- Marvin Hart vs Chris Byrd.

Hart struggled to find Byrd who was able to hit and fly away, confused
and awkward in his approach Hart did his best to rush Byrd and trap
him against the ropes. He just lacked the speed and size to keep him
there. By the 8th round Hart now slow and bleeding collapsed after a
flurry of blows. The remaining rounds saw Byrd landing almost at will.
The fight being stopped when the ref had seen enough, at the end of
a 6 punch flurry from Byrd.

Byrd TKO 12.

Fight 6- Tommy Burns vs Lee Q Murray.

Burns crouched and countered at every oppurtinty against Murray.
His wide hooks and lunging blows shaking and backing Murray up.
In the 3rd and 4th Murray was able to mount a good offensive,
catching Burns often. From their on, it seemed the Burns stayed the
fresher, utilising an unattractive yet effective hugging and slugging
style to gain him the lead.

Burns UD12.

Fight 7- Jack Johnson vs Lee Savold.

Johnson smiling and parrying for the first rounds managed to create
an ugly first couple of rounds. Savold rushing and storming after Johnson
at the start of the 3rd managed to back Johnson up causing him to
cover and clinch. Through the middle rounds Johnson is all clinch, leaping
in after his lead hook or jab only to tie Savold up. The fight followed this
theme throughout, Savold unable to get off for the remainder. Johnson
while winning made it an ugly fight.

Johnson UD12.

Fight 8- Jess Willard vs Frank Brun0.

Bruno was to big and strong for Willard who was unable to get past
the Britons big jab. Willard did his best to land his shots but found himself
being countered by a left hooks and a hard right hand. He was dropped
at the end of the 1st by one such right.
The 2nd is all Bruno who savagely traps and blasts Willard with hard and
big blows. Willard goes down again, but is back up bravely firing shots
back. Just at the end of the second he is knocked down by a hard
left hook and can not beat the count.

Bruno KO2.

Fight 9- Jack Dempsey vs Tom Sharkey.

What a fight !!!/ While both men looked to wrestle often to stay on their
feet. It was even at this range that both absorbed and delivered hard
short hooks and uppercuts. Sharkey was able to keep Dempsey of balance
while on the inside, and managed to duck and clinch well every time Dempsey
was that bit wide and wild with his arching hooks.
By the 6th round it was any ones fight. That was until a combination of
hooks floored Sharkey. He was back up and firing of his own blows at the
count of 5. It was in the 7th that Dempsey was able to duck a swing from
Sharkey to land his own. Flooring the Irishman. The shot was sudden and
ferocious. Sharkey had to be helped to his feet after 20 long and frightening
seconds.

Dempsey KO 7.

Fight 10- Gene Tunney vs Sam McVey.

A cautious and steady fight early on, both guys trading with discipline.
McVey spurting often, but not often enough. Tunney staying on the outside
looked well schooled and tight with his leads. McVey tried to employ a counter
game after a few rounds, but never seemed to keep up with the steady
and consistent boxing of Tunney. At the end it was still very much anyones fight.

Tunney MD 12.

Fight 11- Max Schmelling vs Sam Langford

For nearly 8 rounds Schmelling was able to counter punch, jab and land at will
against the much smaller Langford who spent a lot of the rounds following and
looking to land that one hard punch. In the 9th while Max was more flat footed
and less active Langford seemed to find his distance. While not clinching Langford
was able to land hard and nasty short shots into Schmelling.
From out of no where it was a savage left hook that sent Schmelling down, a
hard and telling blow clean on the jaw. back up but clearly still wobbly Schmelling
tried to fight back, again he was caught. This time he stayed down.

Langford KO 10.

Fight 12- Jack Sharkey vs Joe Jeanette.

An even though un entertaining bout between both men. Sharkey throwing no more
than two blows at a time, while Jeanette mauling with his attacks seemed to both be
somewhat even for most of the fight. Neither man being wobbled nor in enough trouble
to justify confidence. By the fights end it was Sharkey that got the nod by two of
the judges. Many in attendance felt he got lucky.

Sharkey SD12.

[Robinson]

It was a long but entertaining day. It was quite impressive to
watch the action.

Fight of the day was most definetly Dempsey v Sharkey.

The two most impressive guys were the Poms...Bruno and
Fitzsimmons. Both goes showing a great deal of power and
accuracy.

I am hoping to get some photos up soon. I can not wait for the
next stage for this group.

[Collins2000]

Great result for Bruno.

Did you get any photos?

[Robinson]

I did mate. I am just waiting for them to be cleared.
For some reason the security people are paranoid.
The venue is pretty top notch.

Bruno looked ripped. I had a chance to speak to him
in the change rooms afterwards. He was pretty happy.
Good guy. Big smile on him.
Willard looked terrible, felt sorry for him, he ended up
going to the venues infirmary.

[BoxBuzz]

Not in agreement of course with all the outcomes but very interesting nonetheless! Thanks for the effort. Looking forward to the next round. Most interesting for me was the Schmelling Langford and Corbett Bivins affairs.

Not at all sure if this has been accomplished via a personal imagination/grey matter production. Or if you have used some sort of less biological more mechanical (software and computer) process. Either way it's a bit of fiction that is interesting to me.

[Robinson]

Buzz

If the outcomes were known to all then it would be no fun.

These are actual results as they took place. I mentioned
in the other thread the process. It is somewhat complicated,
the fighters are 'abducted' in their primes, taken to the venue
with some prior prep and orientation. The matches are arranged,
then we have a weigh in a few weeks later, so the fighters can
switch gears,

After the way in the matches take place on one day. The fighters
are treated using the best in advanced medicines. Then they are
taken 'home' with no recollection of the events or any injuries.

I am hoping to have some footage and photo's soon. But the distances
and time paradox question complicates matters.

So for this being of the imagination or of a computer simulation are
both in accurate. It actually happened...

Corbett vs Bivins was an interesting fight, Bivins just managed to
time Corbett's lunches and movement.

I was shocked by langford's win, Max was dominating the fight for nearly
every moment. The shot was hard and cracking. Good win for Sam.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

Fight 6- Tommy Burns vs Lee Q Murray.

Burns crouched and countered at every oppurtinty against Murray.
His wide hooks and lunging blows shaking and backing Murray up.
In the 3rd and 4th Murray was able to mount a good offensive,
catching Burns often. From their on, it seemed the Burns stayed the
fresher, utilising an unattractive yet effective hugging and slugging
style to gain him the lead.

Burns UD12.

Very Unrealistic. Burns has no shot against Murray. Ray Arcel Called Lee Q Murray the best puncher of the era outside of joe louis. Murray was 6'3 206lb of two fisted power and modern skill vs a midget 5'7 168lb brawler Tommy Burns. No way can little tommy out slug murray, Murrays too big and strong. Turkey Thompson who is comparable to Burns in height and style except turkey had more power than tommy, lost almost every round when he faced a prime version of Murray. Tommy was tough and could take a licking, but I think Murray puts tommy away in around 7 or 8 rounds, and wins every round. Were talking a genuine big strong dangerous heavyweight in any era vs a tough game 5'7 supermiddleweight. NO contest.



Cleveland Promoter Believes Murray Can Take Joe Louis:


BY JACK CUDDY


NEW YORK, Dec. 7—(UP)—


Larry Atkins of Cleveland,
America's second ranking
prizefight promoter, believes
that Lee. Q. Murray, big Connecticut
negro, is the most
dangerous potential threat to
Sgt. Joe Louis' heavyweight
crown.
"If the war wuz to end to
morrow,"says promoter Atkins,


"I'd say the man most
likely to lick
Louis wuz Lee Q. Murray."
This Atkins' praise of Murray
was so entirely unexpected
that a startled reporter inquired
of the visiting Cleveland entrepreneur
last night, "how
come you boost, Murray, when
he almost'ruined Jimmy Bivins,
your meal, ticket, last week?"
Atkins, a youngish, broadshouldered,
black-haired chap
of 41, fixed thereporter with steely eyes, and remonstrated,'In our Cleveland promotions,we have no meal tickets. We have cards. A Cleveland fighter is a card as long as he can lick anybody we bringin. When he loses to an outsider, the outsider becomes the card." In the case of Murray vs.
"Card" Bivins of Cleveland,
promoter Atkins was doubly
fortunate. Little Bivins won an
unpopular 10-round decision
over Murray last Wednesday
night, after Murray had the
Cleveland negro staggering
about the ring and dripping with
gore. The fans booed the-decision
so long, and so lustily that
a re-match was as necessary as
if by royal command. They'll
tangle, again in late February
— after both principals recover
from their wounds.
Atkins, who in four short
years changed Cleveland from
one of the country's worst fight
cities into a promoter's paradise,
said, "I knew Murray was a
good fighter before I matched
him'with Bivins. But during the
first two rounds, I thought
Murray would ruin me. He
never let loose with a punch.
Disgustedly, I left my seat at
the ringside, and walked to the
rear of the arena. But Murray
was just mouse-trapping his
man. He knew Bivins was a
cutie and he was sucking him
in. Bivins left himself open in
the third round, and Murray
hit him. Bivins rolled with that
right-hand punch to the chin;
but the force was so terrific
that Bivins wasn't the same for
the rest of the fight.
This part still needs some cleaning up, as the background noise and whatnot on the paper registers as text when you copy off an old newspaper.
"Murray hit him so hard over
the left brow in the sixth round
that you could have stuck your
thumb in the cut; but Bivins is
not the duration heavyweight
.champ for nothing. He managed
to put-smark' Murray for the
distance; and I honestly thought
he won the fight; although it.
didn't matter to me who won—
as
I had Murray tied up on a
contract, too."
Atkins, who drew" $360,000
with his Cleveland bouts'jn'1942,
and who has provided bouts
that drexv $413,000'this year, concluded,
"I don't .know whether
little Bivins, who '.weighs' only
about •• 187 ..pounds, or Murray,
who has 200 on six. foot two.
frame, is 'the better fighter.
But Murray is the most' dangerous.
He's .the most" terrific
puncher I ever saw; he hits as
hard as. Louis. He's • still a little•
awkward —being, a converted'
Southpaw. But being a Convert-
ed Southpaw ' makes 'him': a
switch hitter, who .can, knock'
you dead with either'hand.'And
:he's only 23."
•Atkins, in New York on a business
trip, said it seemed
a dream that he — an under
study to Mike Jacobs — 'should
have the two best civilian
heavyweights in the world tied
up on contracts He hoped he
still had .a contract on Murray
.when Sergeant .Louis got out of
.the Army. .

[Robinson]

Brockton
thanks a heap for that. Much appreciated.
Good info on Murray there. Thank you again

I only reported on the results.

[Ezzard]

Looks like I'm too late to make my picks...

I agree with Brockton that Murray would beat Burns. Jeffries would also beat Tucker whose claim to fame seems to be that he wasn't stopped by Tyson. For some people this makes him verging on immortal.

[BoxBuzz]

Buzz

If the outcomes were known to all then it would be no fun.

These are actual results as they took place. I mentioned
in the other thread the process. It is somewhat complicated,
the fighters are 'abducted' in their primes, taken to the venue
with some prior prep and orientation. The matches are arranged,
then we have a weigh in a few weeks later, so the fighters can
switch gears,

After the way in the matches take place on one day. The fighters
are treated using the best in advanced medicines. Then they are
taken 'home' with no recollection of the events or any injuries.

I am hoping to have some footage and photo's soon. But the distances
and time paradox question complicates matters.

So for this being of the imagination or of a computer simulation are
both in accurate. It actually happened...

Corbett vs Bivins was an interesting fight, Bivins just managed to
time Corbett's lunches and movement.

I was shocked by langford's win, Max was dominating the fight for nearly
every moment. The shot was hard and cracking. Good win for Sam.

This is of course a relavant and meaningfull process since it lends a "reality" to life of the boxer. However I'm sure it's very discombobulating to the fighter to be abducted in his prime. This sort of thing could change history (though we would not know it). Seems like a lot of work and not always fair to the fighter who was simply going along living his life when this crap sort of erupts into his life.

Wouldn't it have been easier and a bit fairer to the participants to leave them be and simply consult the Akashik record on this matter? I'm sensing a government investigation into rights violations of these various pugilists. This is nothing short of a can of worms with a long litigious outcome.

Based on all these complications and dramas I suggest you carry on to the finals.

[Robinson]

Buzz
after the event their minds are wiped of such memories...
complicated technologies.

Ezzard/

Tucker was more than just a fighter that survived Tyson.
He looked pretty good against Jeffries. He was a lot 'bigger'
looking and used movement well. He jsut won solid on the
outside.

Burns - Murray... maybe Murray was having an off night.