Hatton-Mayweather Rematch?

[Carbo]

I can understand where Ricky is coming from. He basically fought a poor fight, and seemed to get too keyed up in there. He didn't follow his corner's instructions, and did seem to fall apart following the point deduction, basically just trying to knock Mayweather's head off, and ultimately leaving himself wide open for that left hook.

I thought Hatton was winning at the halfway stage, though it was close.

I don't think he will win a rematch, but even so, I think he can do better.

Hatton needs to have a big win before taking mayweather on again though, both for confidence, and to convince people there's any point in it.

Maybe he could do better, but that's the way he's fought every fight since looking utterly sensational against Ray Olivera: The same, straight line, single shot tactics.

He looked excellent against Castillo, I suppose; but 4 rounds against a man who looks to have very little left in the tank isn't exactly the best way of illustrating that he can go 12 rounds bashing at that on-the-balls-of-his-feet, high octane, fluid, combination punching rhythm he could strike 4 years ago.

I really believe that his Mayweather tactics were simply Hatton's 'par' level now, and we're deluding ourselves to think he can rediscover that old Tackie-Phillips-Olivera style.

[jim wright]

Surely revisionism is a sign of wisdom not a weakness.

If you thought that Hatton was better than Mayweather before last weekend but you have been proved wrong then you must revise your original opinion.

Nothing stays static in boxing, that is what makes it so exciting.

Outcomes in boxing makes a mug of most of us at some time or other.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I can understand where Ricky is coming from. He basically fought a poor fight, and seemed to get too keyed up in there. He didn't follow his corner's instructions, and did seem to fall apart following the point deduction, basically just trying to knock Mayweather's head off, and ultimately leaving himself wide open for that left hook.

I thought Hatton was winning at the halfway stage, though it was close.

I don't think he will win a rematch, but even so, I think he can do better.

Hatton needs to have a big win before taking mayweather on again though, both for confidence, and to convince people there's any point in it.

Maybe he could do better, but that's the way he's fought every fight since looking utterly sensational against Ray Olivera: The same, straight line, single shot tactics.

He looked excellent against Castillo, I suppose; but 4 rounds against a man who looks to have very little left in the tank isn't exactly the best way of illustrating that he can go 12 rounds bashing at that on-the-balls-of-his-feet, high octane, fluid, combination punching rhythm he could strike 4 years ago.

I really believe that his Mayweather tactics were simply Hatton's 'par' level now, and we're deluding ourselves to think he can rediscover that old Tackie-Phillips-Olivera style.

Yes, you may be right. Hatton's use of the angles seems to be a distant memory now, despite Billy Graham talking about his footwork, he doesn't really seem to use it any more.

What the reason for that is, I don't know.

I still think that with a less interfering and fair referee, the result would have probably been a Hatton loss on points, rather than getting sparked due to frustration.

Cortez has totally shamed himself for me, he clearly has a case of Mayweather worship.

[Autobarn]

you never know, the brit fans booing the anthem may have pushed cortez over the edge, forcing him into interfering mode.

[chesh]

you never know, the brit fans booing the anthem may have pushed cortez over the edge, forcing him into interfering mode.

That's quite likely, Auto, but you'd think a ref of his experience would have been too professional to allow that to affect his performance.

[jamesmcdonnell]

you never know, the brit fans booing the anthem may have pushed cortez over the edge, forcing him into interfering mode.

That's quite likely, Auto, but you'd think a ref of his experience would have been too professional to allow that to affect his performance.

Precisely, there is no excuse for the way he reffed the fight.

It's a great shame indeed, because it detracts from Mayweather's victory, at least for me, and leaves me wondering how the fight would have gone otherwise.

It's not a conincidence that the end came shortly after Cortez inexplicably went to Hatton's corner to tell them he was going to stop the fight. I've never seen anything quite like that. You'd have thought Hatton was taking an almighty beating.

[StepinFetchit]

you never know, the brit fans booing the anthem may have pushed cortez over the edge, forcing him into interfering mode.

That's quite likely, Auto, but you'd think a ref of his experience would have been too professional to allow that to affect his performance.

Precisely, there is no excuse for the way he reffed the fight.

It's a great shame indeed, because it detracts from Mayweather's victory, at least for me, and leaves me wondering how the fight would have gone otherwise.

It's not a conincidence that the end came shortly after Cortez inexplicably went to Hatton's corner to tell them he was going to stop the fight. I've never seen anything quite like that. You'd have thought Hatton was taking an almighty beating.

Hatton's corner threw in the towel.

Hatton got knocked out.

Hatton is used to fouling his way to victory yet he crys like a baby (literally) the first time it back fires on him.

Hatton lost by Ko...live with it and move on.

[Dioufy]

Hatton didn't lose by KO - the referee stopped it.

[StepinFetchit]

Hatton didn't lose by KO - the referee stopped it.

Ok whatever....as if that makes it any better.....the ref stopped it before he even started the count and Hatton's corner threw in the towel...... Hatton had to be helped to his feet long after 10 seconds.

[Dioufy]

And I haven't denied that but that doesn't change the fact that the referee stopped the fight, hence the TKO.

[Southpaw Stylist]

Billy Graham threw the towel in.

Hatton would've been comatosed had the fight gone on.

[ALI]

I never had Hatton on top at any stage of the fight. For me Mayweather was coasting

I just can't accept that at all.

Revisionism is so commonplace in sport. I've lost count of the amount of time I've seen a football team lose a close tense game 1-0 and a week later (sometimes the next day with some newspapers) you read how they were 'turned over' and 'easily beaten' etc...

I'm not saying last Saturday was a close 1-0. More like a 3-0 with the first goal being controversial (i.e offside goal = Cortez's antics) but no way was Mayweather coasting for the first 5/6 rounds, absolutely no way.

Your right, by me saying Mayweather was coasting does not give a true reflection of the fight. 'Coasting' was a poor choice of word. However, i do not believe that Hatton's presure had Mayweather worrying at any point in the fight. Why, because it was inneffective pressure, thats why! Hatton hardly landed any punches worth noting during the whole ten rounds. Had he managed to land 2 or 3 good clean shots per round, the whole fight could have been turned on its head. But he did not, and Mayweather knew his defence was just to good for a guy like Hatton to get clean shots off. Mayweather did not have much choice about where the fight was being fought (on the ropes). But i believe he was as content as one could be under those circumstances. He believed he would hand it to Hatton down the stretch and he did just that! Game, set & match!

[Poncey]

I can understand where Ricky is coming from. He basically fought a poor fight, and seemed to get too keyed up in there. He didn't follow his corner's instructions, and did seem to fall apart following the point deduction, basically just trying to knock Mayweather's head off, and ultimately leaving himself wide open for that left hook.

I thought Hatton was winning at the halfway stage, though it was close.

I don't think he will win a rematch, but even so, I think he can do better.

Hatton needs to have a big win before taking mayweather on again though, both for confidence, and to convince people there's any point in it.

He wasn't winning at all. I disagree with that. I didn't see him land one clean shot on Floyd.

So you didn't see him almost floor Floyd in the first round then?!?!?

[Southpaw Stylist]

I can understand where Ricky is coming from. He basically fought a poor fight, and seemed to get too keyed up in there. He didn't follow his corner's instructions, and did seem to fall apart following the point deduction, basically just trying to knock Mayweather's head off, and ultimately leaving himself wide open for that left hook.

I thought Hatton was winning at the halfway stage, though it was close.

I don't think he will win a rematch, but even so, I think he can do better.

Hatton needs to have a big win before taking mayweather on again though, both for confidence, and to convince people there's any point in it.

He wasn't winning at all. I disagree with that. I didn't see him land one clean shot on Floyd.

So you didn't see him almost floor Floyd in the first round then?!?!?

LMAO. That must have been irony.

I watch fights in slow motion afterwards. And that was definitely NOT a landing punch that caused Floyd to stumble.

[mattym]

so what Marciano could knock you down with a 'non landing punch' to the arms, having your block up just doesn't matter really if u r getting knocked about!!

Hell even Marciano himself was knocked down by a shoulder roll.

Lots of people forget that 'boxing' isn't necessarily always clean and tidy some times things can get rough and scrappy and hot,and in the early going it was Hatton choosing that style of fight, and it was Mayweather losing at it.

[Southpaw Stylist]

so what Marciano could knock you down with a 'non landing punch' to the arms, having your block up just doesn't matter really if u r getting knocked about!!

Hell even Marciano himself was knocked down by a shoulder roll.

Lots of people forget that 'boxing' isn't necessarily always clean and tidy some times things can get rough and scrappy and hot,and in the early going it was Hatton choosing that style of fight, and it was Mayweather losing at it.

Fair point. Mayweather did stumble because he is quick enough to move out of the way from Ricky's punches...and in that case he had to improvise which led to him being off balance.

[mattym]

so what Marciano could knock you down with a 'non landing punch' to the arms, having your block up just doesn't matter really if u r getting knocked about!!

Hell even Marciano himself was knocked down by a shoulder roll.

Lots of people forget that 'boxing' isn't necessarily always clean and tidy some times things can get rough and scrappy and hot,and in the early going it was Hatton choosing that style of fight, and it was Mayweather losing at it.

Fair point. Mayweather did stumble because he is quick enough to move out of the way from Ricky's punches...and in that case he had to improvise which led to him being off balance.

yep. It happens sometimes. i just don't think you should make allowances for it.

its a boxer's job to not be wobbling all over the place and to show YOU are in control of where your legs go. For some of the rounds, Mayweather wasn't and Hatton was pushing him around really. God it bugs me when people say they gave Hatton anything less than 3 rounds...

[Spud]

Outcomes in boxing makes a mug of most of us at some time or other.

You are certainly right there!!!!!

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

so what Marciano could knock you down with a 'non landing punch' to the arms, having your block up just doesn't matter really if u r getting knocked about!!

Hell even Marciano himself was knocked down by a shoulder roll.

Lots of people forget that 'boxing' isn't necessarily always clean and tidy some times things can get rough and scrappy and hot,and in the early going it was Hatton choosing that style of fight, and it was Mayweather losing at it.

Mayweather stumbled because Rickys leg was behind him and he tripped over it.

Being knocked down doesnt mean much if the opponent is completely unhurt from it. I havent seen all of Rockys fights but these sound like off occurances

[nickd]

Hatton could definitely fare a lot better in a rematch with a fair referee.

I suggest those of you who think otherwise rewatch the fight and look how Mayweather kept turning his back or ducking right down low to stop Hatton hitting him. And using his elbow and forearms to the face/neck. Hatton would have had more success inside if Mayweather had not been allowed to get away with those infringements which were stopping him from getting his best work off. No sour grapes from me, I still don't think Hatton would have won but a rematch could still be a very competitive fight with an even playing field.

[SticknMove]

Watched it for the third time and there is no doubt about the biased officiating – Cortez' interference definitely led Hatton to lose the plot. However given a level playing field, I think that PBF’s adaptability would still have led to a wide points win or even a late stoppage..

One thing I found remarkable about this particular fight was how accomodating PBF was in allowing the fight to be at close quarters whilst having the ability to cope with it and match Hatton’s strength and being more than capable (without Cortez’ help) of messing his work up, using more than enough (par for the course) infringements, to nullify what Hatton might have thought he could get away with.

The difference, at this high level, is that Hatton is/has become a one dimensional inside fighter (nothing wrong with that as long as it works) – whilst PBF has much more to his game. When you take the range of performances a la Baldomir, Gatti, Judah, DLH and Hatton (not forgetting his earlier work at SFW and LW) then you have to acknowledge that he is a special fighter.

[Wax On]

There is no way Hatton should fight Floyd again. In the run up to the fight, many said that Floyd would fight Hatton on the outside, Jab him to death and RH's best chances lay with roughing him up on the inside and his non stop work rate / heart.

What was most apparent on the night was that Floyd was happy to fight Ricky on the inside, and coped comfortably, with the aid of some of his own 'dirty' tactics.

He was the one who looked fitter as the fight went on, and as a result showed what a class fighter he really is once Ricky tired / started chasing the fight, and Floyd stepped off and started catching him on a regular basis with a number of straight rights and ultimately that great left hook.

[jeej]

Hatton definitely had Floyd worried for a few moments in the first, but true to form Floyd adapted brilliantly. Didn't allow Hatton to get anywhere near landing his famed body shots and kept Hatton at bay using his physical advantages by pressing forearms and elbows against Hatton's face and throat.

The ref was a disgrace, but Floyd beats Ricky again even in a rematch. Even if they had a rematch at light welter, Floyd would use his height and reach advantage to deal with Ricky. It would take a lucky shot for Ricky to beat Floyd. Just not gonna happen.

[Tykemania]

Well, we will have to agree to disagree. I thought he landed quite a few shots.

It will be interesting to watch the fight again without all the ales and bugle and without the emotion.

I do believe that a different referee could have made a big difference, I think Hatton would have been less desperate had he not had to contend with an obviously biased referee.

I think sadly there's a case of hero worship going on for Cortez where Mayweather is concerned, either that or he wants to blow Floyd off. Or both.

Nice image.

As for the rematch - could Hatton do better? possibly - the first five rounds were very competitve, even though he was probably heading for 4-2 bnehind when the deduction came. Wierdly, he gave Mayweather his toughest argument in ages without ever looking like winning it - and I think that would be the story of the rematch, unless they could make it at 140, where Floyd would likely be drained.