most ferocious boxer

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 26 Dec 2007, 05:26

Anyone would fear Billygoat Holyfield's butting

and the fact the referees let him get away with it completely.

Billygoat Holyfield "won" two fights with Tyson with his butting.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 26 Dec 2007, 05:40

Yes, and Tyson with his forearms, elbows, arm bending and occasional biting was a picture of sportsmanship.

Anyway, if you want to bring illegal tactics into it then, yes, that just adds to my point about Holyfield's ferocity. Holyfield will bend the rules if he has to, and that makes him all the more dangerous. Just goes to my point.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 26 Dec 2007, 11:20

I Feel Fine wrote:Yes, and Tyson with his forearms, elbows, arm bending and occasional biting was a picture of sportsmanship.

Anyway, if you want to bring illegal tactics into it then, yes, that just adds to my point about Holyfield's ferocity. Holyfield will bend the rules if he has to, and that makes him all the more dangerous. Just goes to my point.

Ifeelfine doesn't comprehend the basic rules of boxing.

Standard for the clueless.

Billygoat Holyfield butted his way to "victory" twice against Tyson.

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 26 Dec 2007, 13:41

Jack Dempsey and Roberto Duran seem the epitomy of ferocity inside a boxing ring to me. In recent times, Gerald McClellan and Nigel Benn do ferocious pretty well too

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 26 Dec 2007, 14:04

granberry wrote:
I Feel Fine wrote:Yes, and Tyson with his forearms, elbows, arm bending and occasional biting was a picture of sportsmanship.

Anyway, if you want to bring illegal tactics into it then, yes, that just adds to my point about Holyfield's ferocity. Holyfield will bend the rules if he has to, and that makes him all the more dangerous. Just goes to my point.
Ifeelfine doesn't comprehend the basic rules of boxing.

Standard for the clueless.

Billygoat Holyfield butted his way to "victory" twice against Tyson.

Yes dear, I comprehend the rules of boxing. But most great fighters bent the rules, and you're full of shit to suggest that Holyfield was some kind of exception. Greb, Dempsey, Marciano, Duran, Monzon, Hagler... whoever you want to name, plenty of greats knew how to bend the rules. Your knowledge of boxing history is as narrow as your ability to analyze a fighter.

And head butts weren't the only reason why Holyfield beat Tyson, contrary to what Tyson's fans would say. But I do appreciate your naive analysis of Holyfield, I would also like to live in a perfect world where everyone follows the rules, but if you're going to downgrade Holyfield then there's a whole lot of other fighters who are going down with him, including Mike.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 26 Dec 2007, 16:13

Holyfield "won" twice by butting Tyson.

What a fighter.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 26 Dec 2007, 16:15

Nobody here has heard of Terry McGovern.

"Terrible" Terry would be the ultimate in this respect.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 26 Dec 2007, 16:31

granberry wrote:Holyfield "won" twice by butting Tyson.

What a fighter.

Can we assume from your repetitive mindless drivel that you don't think Holyfield was a great fighter?

I think you are in a minority of 1 if that is your view.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 26 Dec 2007, 16:43

Holyfield was pathetic against an old Larry Holmes.

Compare with Tyson against a younger Holmes.

When Bert Cooper had Holyfield in trouble and was about to knock Holyfield down, Holyfield had to be rescued by stooge referee Mills Lane---
with a perfectly timed standing count to enable Holyfield to recover.

Holyfield "won" the title from a Buster Douglas who didn't train and didn't even bother to show up.

Holyfield was the foulest fighter ever to hold the title.

The referees were non-existent in his fights.

And it got worse as he got older.

They might as well have let him bring a baseball bat into the ring.

I am definitely not impressed with Holyfield.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 26 Dec 2007, 16:52

The Holyfield & Tyson vs. Holmes argument is limited. Holyfield was not a super-hitter the way Tyson was. He never scored many dramatic, early KO's. It's got nothing to do with who's better, but who hits harder. That's plainly Tyson. However, Holmes at least had some form behind him when he met Holyfield. The one that met Tyson, while younger (still washed-up), was battling ring-rust. Holmes was better when he faced Holyfield.

I would concur that Holyfield got away with an awful lot during his fights with Tyson, but, really, who feels bad for him? Tyson was quite the dirty fighter in the late 80's (elbows along the ropes & such), & in Holyfield, he just met someone who was plain better at it, & better at getting away with it. Tyson is no hero or hard-luck story, so I feel no sympathy for him, & that's before he blackens my sport with the earbite. Not the first time he injured boxing, or the last.

Holyfield beat him. Two dirty fighters, one was better. Fair play to him. But, I will say that I am one of the relatively few who believes in a peak-for-peak match-up, Tyson would defeat Holyfield.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 26 Dec 2007, 16:54

granberry wrote:
I am definitely not impressed with Holyfield.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 26 Dec 2007, 17:02

Collins2000 wrote:
granberry wrote:
I am definitely not impressed with Holyfield.

Yep that Holywhoever guy was just an asterisk in the book of boxing no doubt. Good thing we got a man with vision like yourself, a man who's ready, available and willing to go on the record with the "truths that must be told".

It takes a man of courage. Our man on the cutting edge, http://www.granberry.con

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 26 Dec 2007, 17:05

Wow. Yeah, I'll let dingleberry's responses speak for themselves. I guess its not surprising, though, if you're not impressed by Ali, imagine what you would think of Evander. I guess greatness isn't always obvious, some people are only impressed by flashy knock outs. Dingleberry must be another one of these.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 26 Dec 2007, 17:17

The three resident Ali salesmen

buzz and his two boys collins and ifeelfine

work in tandem.

observer1 · Post by **observer1** » 26 Dec 2007, 19:34

granberry, did you come onto thos Forum to Badmouth Ali ?

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 26 Dec 2007, 19:37

observer1 wrote:granberry, did you come onto thos Forum to Badmouth Ali ?

observor,

Are you another member of the Religion of Ali?

Do you take your marching orders from head genuflector buzz?

.

SD-Prophecy · Post by **SD-Prophecy** » 27 Dec 2007, 00:49

Fernando ''Ferocious'' Vargas !!! LOL.

SIKE

Shadow36 · Post by **Shadow36** » 27 Dec 2007, 12:43

Mike Tyson or Prime Roy Jones Jr

banjo · Post by **banjo** » 27 Dec 2007, 14:23

vonda ward

boricuarocboxing · Post by **boricuarocboxing** » 27 Dec 2007, 20:41

Julio Cesar Chavez

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 27 Dec 2007, 22:15

boricuarocboxing wrote:Julio Cesar Chavez

High praise from a Puerto Rican

observer1 · Post by **observer1** » 28 Dec 2007, 07:27

granberry wrote:
observer1 wrote:granberry, did you come onto thos Forum to Badmouth Ali ?
observor,

Are you another member of the Religion of Ali?

Do you take your marching orders from head genuflector buzz?

.

No.

Now can you answer my question ?

Diamond WEAPON · Post by **Diamond WEAPON** » 28 Dec 2007, 07:53

For the really little guys Jorge Arce exemplifies ferocity... I think he once said he likes seeing his own blood, and even when Christian Mijares was giving him a boxing lesson he never stopped charging forward trying to take Mijares' head off...

Minotauro · Post by **Minotauro** » 28 Dec 2007, 09:58

Jack Dempsey
Julio Cesar Chavez
Henry Armstrong
Nigel Benn

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 28 Dec 2007, 10:00

granberry wrote:Anyone would fear Billygoat Holyfield's butting

and the fact the referees let him get away with it completely.

Billygoat Holyfield "won" two fights with Tyson with his butting.

im very worried as i agree, exept for the butting helped win those fights