JONES v TRINIDAD

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 18 Jan 2008, 09:47

I think Jones has recovered a little based on his last performance, and seems to have readjusted to 175, and though negative, went 12 with Tarver in their third fight and Tarver is a massive 175 lber.

I do wonder how on earth Jones is going to make 175. Perhaps he has come off the juice completely.

Asterix · Post by **Asterix** » 18 Jan 2008, 09:50

James, I believe the fight is going to be at 170 lbs.

JCB123 · Post by **JCB123** » 18 Jan 2008, 17:51

RJJ in his prime was one of the most gifted fighters i had ever witnessed, although he refused to venture out of his comfort zone & really test himself.

Similarly Tito was a class act in his prime, but i fear he is giving away too much weight in this one ..................... RJJ KO Rnd 7!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 19 Jan 2008, 14:02

Roy looks such an old man in those weigh in photos, I wouldn't be too surprised if Tito flattens him.

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 19 Jan 2008, 14:30

I think Jones will win by UD; but I still believe that this fight is a farce.

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 19 Jan 2008, 15:18

RJJ wins between 7 and 10!

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 19 Jan 2008, 15:29

JCB123 wrote:RJJ in his prime was one of the most gifted fighters i had ever witnessed, although he refused to venture out of his comfort zone & really test himself.

He fought Hopkins and Toney and stepped up to heavyweight to face Ruiz - not most people's definition of a comfort zone

Matt W · Post by **Matt W** » 19 Jan 2008, 15:48

Although Jones is clearly shot Tito will be rusty, heavy and sluggish IMO. Jones will still be too fast for him will win via UD or late stoppage IMO.

n1ebf · Post by **n1ebf** » 19 Jan 2008, 16:01

I'm looking forward to seeing Karmazin tomorrow as I'm not staying up til that time.
he looked like a bit of a sideshow sitting in the background at the weigh-in when you look at the bill-topper, but I guess them two guys have earned their high profile.
(not too impressed with any of this talk about Tito's dodgy wraps if it's true).

Roman Karmazin will be the best fighter on the whole bill tonight.

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 19 Jan 2008, 17:22

NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:Roman Karmazin will be the best fighter on the whole bill tonight.

Great call there fella. Karmazin is absolute quality - him against Forrest would be a great match-up for hardcore fans... best two light-middles in the world at the moment imo.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 19 Jan 2008, 20:16

Felix by KO in 2

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 19 Jan 2008, 20:25

KO Artist wrote:Felix by KO in 2

No way!

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 19 Jan 2008, 22:25

Red Medicine wrote:
Deserter wrote:
JCB123 wrote:RJJ in his prime was one of the most gifted fighters i had ever witnessed, although he refused to venture out of his comfort zone & really test himself.
He fought Hopkins and Toney and stepped up to heavyweight to face Ruiz - not most people's definition of a comfort zone
You make it sound like he did all of that in a span of two years... Aside from perhaps his second fight with Griffin, what did he do between 1995 and 2002 that matched those three achievements? (And I used to be a RJJ fan.)

No, I'm simply pointing out that he DID do them - I make no reference to timeframe so how you infer I make it sound like a two-year period is quite bizarre

You said in his prime, so are you now somehow trying to say he wasn't in his prime for the three fights mentioned?
Anyway, now that you've completely shifted the goalposts by mentioning a specific timeframe, I'll merely say that while it's the weakest period of Jones' resume, you have to judge in context, and as with Calzaghe to a degree, both suffered from a lack of quality challengers at the time. Sure, this doesn't excuse the poor nature of some of his opponents, but there were no younger equivalents of a Hopkins or a Toney for him to face.
I'm a fan of both RJJ and Calzaghe, but Calzaghe was actually far more guilty of operating in a comfort zone for too long a period, Jones' issues were more external in that the real 'tests' simply weren't out there for him during this period in what were then his natural weight divisions.

JCB123 · Post by **JCB123** » 19 Jan 2008, 22:55

In referring to 'comfort zone's' i agree JC never stepped out of his.

In relation to RJJ i was merely stating that at the time (when IMO he reigned supreme) he could have tested himself further & had the fights to test him, fought abroad (out of his comfort zone), fought in vegas & consolidate his position as the best P4P fighter of his time.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 20 Jan 2008, 01:24

Terry D wrote:I'd rather the Seniors tour than the farcical main event we got served last week.

Malignaggi-Ngoudjo?

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 20 Jan 2008, 04:04

Well done Roy.

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 20 Jan 2008, 06:39

Red Medicine wrote:
Deserter wrote:
NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:Roman Karmazin will be the best fighter on the whole bill tonight.
Great call there fella. Karmazin is absolute quality - him against Forrest would be a great match-up for hardcore fans... best two light-middles in the world at the moment imo.

Not one of my finest moments! The irony is that I thought Karmazin was cruising the fight and looking good. He just got tagged in the last and due to it being the first time he's ever been put down he showed his inexperience as he bounced straight back up rather than taking a count.
Too old to come back now though unfortunately. What a waste!

Asterix · Post by **Asterix** » 20 Jan 2008, 10:45

I think Karmazin was ill. He came in a couple of pounds under the 154 limit and looked weak.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 20 Jan 2008, 11:18

bloody start time.

i went and missed the karmazin fight.

nodded off for a few hours.

jones pissed the fight easy.

unlike jones he actually walked his man down.

he's rarely boxed that way in over 50 fights.

still don't think he has enuff left to beat hops or cal though.

Dioufy · Post by **Dioufy** » 20 Jan 2008, 11:55

I expect Karmazin to rematch this lad and brutally K.O. him and get back on track.

Asterix · Post by **Asterix** » 20 Jan 2008, 13:19

Dioufy wrote:I expect Karmazin to rematch this lad and brutally K.O. him and get back on track.

I hope so.

n1ebf · Post by **n1ebf** » 20 Jan 2008, 14:02

Deserter wrote:
Red Medicine wrote:
Deserter wrote: Great call there fella. Karmazin is absolute quality - him against Forrest would be a great match-up for hardcore fans... best two light-middles in the world at the moment imo.

Not one of my finest moments! The irony is that I thought Karmazin was cruising the fight and looking good. He just got tagged in the last and due to it being the first time he's ever been put down he showed his inexperience as he bounced straight back up rather than taking a count.
Too old to come back now though unfortunately. What a waste!

Yep, we ballsed up royally on that one!!!

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 20 Jan 2008, 14:02

hitman_hatton1 wrote:bloody start time.

i went and missed the karmazin fight.

nodded off for a few hours.

jones pissed the fight easy.

unlike jones he actually walked his man down.

he's rarely boxed that way in over 50 fights.

still don't think he has enuff left to beat hops or cal though.

WHAT?

You woke up outside Radio Rentals and missed the Karmnazin fight?

I woke up just after the KO!

BUT I TAPED IT!

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 20 Jan 2008, 14:06

DG. wrote:
hitman_hatton1 wrote:bloody start time.

i went and missed the karmazin fight.

nodded off for a few hours.

jones pissed the fight easy.

unlike jones he actually walked his man down.

he's rarely boxed that way in over 50 fights.

still don't think he has enuff left to beat hops or cal though.
WHAT?

You woke up outside Radio Rentals and missed the Karmnazin fight?

I woke up just after the KO!

BUT I TAPED IT!

radio rentals.

showing ya age there mate.

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 20 Jan 2008, 14:13

hitman_hatton1 wrote:
DG. wrote:
hitman_hatton1 wrote:bloody start time.

i went and missed the karmazin fight.

nodded off for a few hours.

jones pissed the fight easy.

unlike jones he actually walked his man down.

he's rarely boxed that way in over 50 fights.

still don't think he has enuff left to beat hops or cal though.
WHAT?

You woke up outside Radio Rentals and missed the Karmnazin fight?

I woke up just after the KO!

BUT I TAPED IT!

radio rentals.

showing ya age there mate.

They still have one in Bumbridge Wells don't they?