GRANBERRY: A REAL BOXING INSIDER?

[elmersalsa]

It seems to me by reading his posts, this guy got a lot of inside stories behind the scenes of many fighters of the past. He is like Enrique and jaclem.

I like reading his posts. They are very entertaining.

One post that he wrote that caught my attention was when Ali fought Jimmy Young and he knew he lost the fight and he did not wanted to see Young's face...Granberry said he saw that live with his own eyes.

Is this guy a true and real boxing insider? I think he is.

May YAH bless him forever.

[p4p1]

he may be but he has twisted views at times with certain fighters

[Flump]

I certainly don't always agree with what he writes but his posts are a fascinating read and this forum would be poorer without him.

[Woller]

I must admit that some of his stories about fighters and fighters are, lets call it, a bit different - But never let facts get in the way of your opinion!

Woller

[dempseyfire]

I certainly don't always agree with what he writes but his posts are a fascinating read and this forum would be poorer without him.

Yes, constantly making outlandish, unverifiable claims and denigrating proven warriors as "bums" and "frauds" . . . .yep, that's real boxing insight for ya!

[BoxBuzz]

I think he is for real. I like reading his take on many things. I beleive he really understands the fundamentals of the sport. I beleive he has a good understanding of the philly and detroit gym mentality and culture..

Because of his experience he has great insight and that eye seems to work pretty well...and because of his experience he seems to have become blind in one eye.

But he should not get a free pass to make any outlandish statement and have it go unchallenged just because he has put hard time in the sport. If that were the case and simply participating in the sport makes you the ultimate authority then Stacy Goodson would be the best source of all boxing knowledge.

I would say his statements are always relevant and interesting when taken in context with his experience. But his assumptions are not always true. I think he has a a lot of facts correct......but he does not always parlay his facts to produce compete truths.

He has a passion driven agenda....so you just have to pick through the info carefully. He does not seem to be jolly about the fact that he was part of some great history. More he seems to be angry that everybody got it all wrong.

[dempseyfire]

I think he is for real. I like reading his take on many things. I beleive he really understands the fundamentals of the sport. I beleive he has a good understanding of the philly and detroit gym mentality and culture..

Because of his experience he has great insight and that eye seems to work pretty well...and because of his experience he seems to have become blind in one eye.

But he should not get a free pass to make any outlandish statement and have it go unchallenged just because he has put hard time in the sport. If that were the case and simply participating in the sport makes you the ultimate authority then Stacy Goodson would be the best source of all boxing knowledge.

I would say his statements are always relevant and interesting when taken in context with his experience. But his assumptions are not always true. I think he has a a lot of facts correct......but he does not always parlay his facts to produce compete truths.

He has a passion driven agenda....so you just have to pick through the info carefully. He does not seem to be jolly about the fact that he was part of some great history. More he seems to be angry that everybody got it all wrong.

That's being might kind. I just read his 'assumption' on another thread that Gerry Cooney apparently couldn't punch . . .where the hell does he come up with this crap? His valuable gym experience? What the hell was he . . a towel boy??? I can't believe the number of people here who buy his 'old man of inside knowledge' angle . . .from the context of his posts I've seen nothing which demonstrated any 'inside' knowledge whatsoever but simply an obsessive, bitter individual who's happened to follow boxing for a good number of years. If he's some great insider why doesn't he go ahead and state who he is???

Here's a typical demonstration of GB insight:

Poster 1: I believe that Jimmy Ellis sparred ABC fighter once

Granberry: EVERYONE knows Jimmy Ellis knocked out that fraud Ali out so bad he was in a coma for 8 months! But the shrills of the Ali industry cover it up!!! Loath the pitiful Ali industry!!!


What a great contributer!!

[I Feel Fine]

Yes, he's a real boxing insider, that's why he thinks Conn broke his hand in a fight with his brother and not his father-in-law

[kikibalt]

Yes, he's a real boxing insider, that's why he thinks Conn broke his hand in a fight with his brother and not his father-in-law

I think this guy grandberry is just playing with your mind, because he sure as hell don't make no sense.

[I Feel Fine]

[Robinson]

I like Granberry's posts, even if I think some are a tad extreme.

The great thing about this place is that we dont have to agree
just enjoy the banter and alternative takes on things we love.

[BoxBuzz]

Is there someone here who honestly thinks he's a complete fraud? If so why? Just curious as to the reasoning.

[Collins2000]

Is there someone here who honestly thinks he's a complete fraud? If so why? Just curious as to the reasoning.

What do you mean by 'complete fraud'?

Someone who knows very little about boxing, both history and technique, but likes to hang around making non-controversial banal comments?

That's your role, mate.

As granberry as already told you. Often.

[BoxBuzz]

I think he is for real. I like reading his take on many things. I beleive he really understands the fundamentals of the sport. I beleive he has a good understanding of the philly and detroit gym mentality and culture..

Because of his experience he has great insight and that eye seems to work pretty well...and because of his experience he seems to have become blind in one eye.

But he should not get a free pass to make any outlandish statement and have it go unchallenged just because he has put hard time in the sport. If that were the case and simply participating in the sport makes you the ultimate authority then Stacy Goodson would be the best source of all boxing knowledge.

I would say his statements are always relevant and interesting when taken in context with his experience. But his assumptions are not always true. I think he has a a lot of facts correct......but he does not always parlay his facts to produce compete truths.

He has a passion driven agenda....so you just have to pick through the info carefully. He does not seem to be jolly about the fact that he was part of some great history. More he seems to be angry that everybody got it all wrong.

That's being might kind. I just read his 'assumption' on another thread that Gerry Cooney apparently couldn't punch . . .where the hell does he come up with this crap? His valuable gym experience? What the hell was he . . a towel boy??? I can't believe the number of people here who buy his 'old man of inside knowledge' angle . . .from the context of his posts I've seen nothing which demonstrated any 'inside' knowledge whatsoever but simply an obsessive, bitter individual who's happened to follow boxing for a good number of years. If he's some great insider why doesn't he go ahead and state who he is???

Here's a typical demonstration of GB insight:

Poster 1: I believe that Jimmy Ellis sparred ABC fighter once

Granberry: EVERYONE knows Jimmy Ellis knocked out that fraud Ali out so bad he was in a coma for 8 months! But the shrills of the Ali industry cover it up!!! Loath the pitiful Ali industry!!!


What a great contributer!!

I wouldn't go so far as to say he's great....but he is a contributor and he's a bit colorful.

You know I used to wonder if he was racist at first but he CLEARLY is not. He seems to be a an equal opportunity critic. He does have some favorites. Young and Frazier being two of them. And Ali and Leonard are on his hit list.

I used to think he really disliked any finesse fighter and liked the sluggers...but that CLEARLY is not the case. Young and Frazier....need I say more?

Eclectic describes him. He does have favor for the fighters who are orthodox for the most part. The "Talents" are on his hit list. I've known musicians like that. The guys that claim if you don't learn the fundamentals EXACT then you will never be any good. But I have learned that very often TALENT and HEART/SOUL will trump learned fundamentals. Not always, but more than the "orthodox relisgious" crowd will admit.

If you do not have natural god given talent then you better study the fundamentals, if you DO have it in great amount you may be able to wander from it a bit, but IF YOU DO HAVE TALENT AND YOU FOLLOW THE FUNDAMENTALS you will become the best of the best in most cases.

I have known some teachers to get very angry and bitter when someone who does not go by the book becomes extremely successful. Why? Maybe because it means that there proffession is not as important as they might have imagined.

Anyway this could explain some things.

[dagosd2000]

Granberry has thrown a few shots at me. He's OK. Sounds like a street guy. Take a walk down the Bronx or the Southside of Chicago,there's guys like Grans all over the place. Beside this is a boxing forum,not a panel on proper etiquette at the dinner table. When he makes a post,I think of some of those characters in the pool room. Miss the old pool room. As far as being an expert? Didn't Dempsey pick Schmeling in his 2nd fight with Louis? When I think he goes over the line,he's probably all caught up in himself. I get that way myself.

[BoxBuzz]

Is there someone here who honestly thinks he's a complete fraud? If so why? Just curious as to the reasoning.

What do you mean by 'complete fraud'?

Someone who knows very little about boxing, both history and technique, but likes to hang around making non-controversial banal comments?

That's your role, mate.

As granberry as already told you. Often.

Since I've typically only claimed to be a boxing enthusiast, I think I'm safe from the fraud charge. I think I once got to bragging once and said I was a novice historian and it was you that reminded me that I was errant and foolish to claim such things. So I was set straight and have never dared to claim such things since.

[Ezzard]

I don't think there's a particularly bad poster here. I like Gran's posts because he has a lot of knowledge of the game. If you don't like his take argue the point.

I always like to hear opinion of anyone willing to step outside the herd.

The greater someone is held to be the more scrutiny they should come under.

[Ezzard]

I think Granberry has a lot of knowledge, knows boxing inside out, but doesn't agree with everyone on every point. He's a great addition to the site.

[barry]

Granny a real boxing insider...NO! If he was then he would be willing to share with us who he actually is instead of hiding behind a screen name and a computer screen! And if he actually is a boxing insider, which I seriously doubt he is, then all that could be valuable and a plus about him is completely negated by his childish behavior toward others, which if it was just an occasional jab that he threw at the random poster that would not be bad, but he is disrespectful to anyone who has a different view than he and as I have said in the past any such posts that I see I will delete and if he keeps it up then I'll delete all of his posts.

Being respectful toward other posters, well it's not a diffuclt task for an adult to manage and being respectful is not something that you will lose your soul for doing, but insulting any and everyone that disagrees with him, well anything that could be valuable is thrown out the door and I don't care how knowledgable someone might be...if I see a poster insulting long time forum members just for the sake of insulting then I am going to delete that persons threads, so if granny does not act sensible then he will most likely not have a voice, but that will be no one's fault but his own as he was asked nicely and respectful to treat other members with respect...guess how he responded to the request...typical insulting fashion...so if he does not straighten up then he will likely be banned if it is voted on. I'm all for free speech, but free speech is not there to give some idiot a means to freely insult any one he chooses and then cry "free speech." Not to mention that he typical insults people who have forgotten more about boxing than granny will ever know! No...free speech is not here to give someone free reign to insult whoever he pleases...free speech is to have the freedom of speaking your view on a certain issue!

Elmer...did granny ask you to write this, or do you just have a special affection for him?

[Collins2000]

Granny a real boxing insider...NO! If he was then he would be willing to share with us who he actually is instead of hiding behind a screen name and a computer screen! And if he actually is a boxing insider, which I seriously doubt he is, then all that could be valuable and a plus about him is completely negated by his childish behavior toward others, which if it was just an occasional jab that he threw at the random poster that would not be bad, but he is disrespectful to anyone who has a different view than he and as I have said in the past any such posts that I see I will delete and if he keeps it up then I'll delete all of his posts.

Being respectful toward other posters, well it's not a diffuclt task for an adult to manage and being respectful is not something that you will lose your soul for doing, but insulting any and everyone that disagrees with him, well anything that could be valuable is thrown out the door and I don't care how knowledgable someone might be...if I see a poster insulting long time forum members just for the sake of insulting then I am going to delete that persons threads, so if granny does not act sensible then he will most likely not have a voice, but that will be no one's fault but his own as he was asked nicely and respectful to treat other members with respect...guess how he responded to the request...typical insulting fashion...so if he does not straighten up then he will likely be banned if it is voted on. I'm all for free speech, but free speech is not there to give some idiot a means to freely insult any one he chooses and then cry "free speech." Not to mention that he typical insults people who have forgotten more about boxing than granny will ever know! No...free speech is not here to give someone free reign to insult whoever he pleases...free speech is to have the freedom of speaking your view on a certain issue!

Elmer...did granny ask you to write this, or do you just have a special affection for him?

Your attempt to occupy the moral highground failed again when you couldn't help yourself and had to make an insulting comment to a long time forum regular.

[barry]

Granny a real boxing insider...NO! If he was then he would be willing to share with us who he actually is instead of hiding behind a screen name and a computer screen! And if he actually is a boxing insider, which I seriously doubt he is, then all that could be valuable and a plus about him is completely negated by his childish behavior toward others, which if it was just an occasional jab that he threw at the random poster that would not be bad, but he is disrespectful to anyone who has a different view than he and as I have said in the past any such posts that I see I will delete and if he keeps it up then I'll delete all of his posts.

Being respectful toward other posters, well it's not a diffuclt task for an adult to manage and being respectful is not something that you will lose your soul for doing, but insulting any and everyone that disagrees with him, well anything that could be valuable is thrown out the door and I don't care how knowledgable someone might be...if I see a poster insulting long time forum members just for the sake of insulting then I am going to delete that persons threads, so if granny does not act sensible then he will most likely not have a voice, but that will be no one's fault but his own as he was asked nicely and respectful to treat other members with respect...guess how he responded to the request...typical insulting fashion...so if he does not straighten up then he will likely be banned if it is voted on. I'm all for free speech, but free speech is not there to give some idiot a means to freely insult any one he chooses and then cry "free speech." Not to mention that he typical insults people who have forgotten more about boxing than granny will ever know! No...free speech is not here to give someone free reign to insult whoever he pleases...free speech is to have the freedom of speaking your view on a certain issue!

Elmer...did granny ask you to write this, or do you just have a special affection for him?

Your attempt to occupy the moral highground failed again when you couldn't help yourself and had to make an insulting comment to a long time forum regular.

You are always reaching collins...it's so pathetic! Collins...you are a tool...now that is an insult...what I asked Elmer is an honest question as Elmer and I have never had any problems that I can remember...you have been reaching for five, or six years and guess what...you are never going to be able to get me banned...ever---you have whinned and cried for years and I am still here and no matter if I chose to insult you as much as I pleased there is still nothing you could do...well...you can continue crying just like you always do! Besides, Buzz is not going to delete any thread of mine without asking me...no matter how much you might whine a cry! Get a life loser...you are a nobody who simply cannot get anything done except crying! I mean look at all of those hundreds of posts that you started trying to get me banned...did it work five years ago...did it work two years ago...NO...and it's not going to work today! Now if you were a decent standing member of the forum then you might have a legitimate beef, but you are not a decent standing member...your one of those members who are very thin ice. Get a life!

As I said to you a year ago collins, I have better things to do than waste time responding to your crying whipped little pup threads, so this is my last response to you and if you do not get a clue and continue to harass me then I will silent your voice entirely on this forum as I will just delete any and all things you write until you are banned completely.

As I have told you for years...post in a decent manner and you will be alright, but every time you come running to a thread about me to get your insultive jab in, well it just shows everyone what a cry-baby you are...and it certainly oozes cowardice, but then again I'm sure cowardice has been a way of life for you...you probably inherited it!

As has always been the case...you always jump in run your mouth and then you start whining and crying when I hit back, but nothing you say on this forum matters...thats why you can continue to whine and cry all that you want and I will still be here tomorrow!!

[jimglen]

I have been on this board for a good few years now, NOT Apart of the IN Crowd, but Happy to come on here to read, researcher, learn and also be entertained...

there have been a good few insults & disagreements thrown over the years, and it becomes clear after awhile WHO the perpetrators are... I have seen a few certain members 'attack' and insult whom ever they please and get away with it!

Lately it has become worse & worse, the Forum is at times like a side show; BoxRec Do Not Let This Happen to YOUR Site...and all of you Serious, Intelligent, Informative posters, DON'T be drawn into them - the Trouble Makers.

BoxRec sort it out!

[BoxBuzz]

Jimglen very good advice, we will seek to sort this out.

Respectful give and take will be tolerated. The rules are specific and are expected to be followed. Please do so and your voice will be supported.

Thank you all.

I think this thread has run it's course....and is just enough off topic that I am going to excercise the power of moderation here.



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This is my (barry) thread below:

Instead of unlocking the thread I am just posting below your post Buzz.

---Respectful give and take will be tolerated. The rules are specific and are expected to be followed. Please do so and your voice will be supported.----

Thats all I have ever asked from any member, and I know I have been just about as bad as some of the worst in earlier years, but some people will never get a clue as they simply think that no rules apply to them!

They should be given an opportunity to follow the rules and straighten up, but if they have no intent on following rules then they should be banned and instead of any more arguing, or responding to these people, I will give them an opportunity to do whats right and if they do...then great...thats what the forum is about...but if people chose to continue ignoring the rules and insulting a variety of other forum members then they need to be banned...plain and simple!!!