Rees/Kotelnik RBR

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:15

Hats off to Kotelnik. Really solid showing from one of the better imports to frequent these shores. I still maintain that he beat Mbaye not once but twice. And I stil fail to see how a very bemused Witter managed to nose ahead of AK.

whicker · Post by **whicker** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:16

hitman_hatton1 wrote: let these alphabet soup guys take each other on to decide who can take on the hitman.

Think dude- its Kotelnik and Witter (and Malignaggi) who hold the Main belts.

Hitman can fight them, or he can fade out of the picture. His call.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:16

bigdave82 wrote:
hitman_hatton1 wrote:but he beat gavin rees Dennis.

respect to rees.

but he's european level at best really.

ricky hatton is the champion at 140.

let these alphabet soup guys take each other on to decide who can take on the hitman.
Yes because Juan Lazcano is so much more deserving than 'alphabet souper' Junior Witter!

warm up for the malignaggi fight.

let witter take on one of the other guys with a title and then he strengthens his claims even further.

glahn · Post by **glahn** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:16

Rees doesn't belong at the weight - he's far too small. Massive heart though!

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:18

whicker wrote:
hitman_hatton1 wrote: let these alphabet soup guys take each other on to decide who can take on the hitman.
Think dude- its Kotelnik and Witter (and Malignaggi) who hold the Main belts.

Hitman can fight them, or he can fade out of the picture. His call.

he's fighting malignaggi later in the year.

these 2 tonight are only fighting for a belt that hatton was stripped of.

and witter only has a title that was stripped from tszyu.

who hatton beat of course.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:19

does anyone think kotelnik could beat malignaggi? it would be a dull fight for sure and i dont want to see kotelnik/witter II either.

Could be a long way from any meaningful unification in this division.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:22

Riddick Blowe wrote:does anyone think kotelnik could beat malignaggi?

i think paulie would win a close decision.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:23

Autobarn wrote:Hats off to Kotelnik. Really solid showing from one of the better imports to frequent these shores. I still maintain that he beat Mbaye not once but twice. And I stil fail to see how a very bemused Witter managed to nose ahead of AK.

Witter won 1-6 against Kotelnik who just covered up and didnt throw, Kotenik won 7-11 and Witter took the last. Easy to score for me.

Kotelnik dominated tonight, I gave him every single round, Rees hit elbows all night and kotelnik snapped Rees head back repeatedly ever round. The last few rounds were borderline 10-8s that the commentators were giving to Rees because he punched elbows for the first miniute

Rees probably landed 10% of his shots whereas Kotelnik probably landed 90% of his shots. That was the gulf in class

I can't believe the fans on here had it close and are getting taken in. BUNCE FOR ONCE WAS BANG ON THE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:24

Riddick Blowe wrote:does anyone think kotelnik could beat malignaggi? it would be a dull fight for sure and i dont want to see kotelnik/witter II either.

Could be a long way from any meaningful unification in this division.

If the horribly raw Ngoudjo could push Malignaggi to the limit, I think Kotelnik could beat him. IF he fights with more insistence.

whicker · Post by **whicker** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:25

Riddick Blowe wrote:does anyone think kotelnik could beat malignaggi? it would be a dull fight for sure and i dont want to see kotelnik/witter II either.

Could be a long way from any meaningful unification in this division.

I agree- Mag may well lose his rematch with N'dou , or whatever his name is.

Witter, we'll, we shall see.

Don't foget Colin Lynes and Olusegun are floating around there too.

Nigel Wright V Gavin Rees could be a good domestic fight.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:27

Autobarn wrote:If the horribly raw Ngoudjo could push Malignaggi to the limit, I think Kotelnik could beat him. IF he fights with more insistence.

ngoudjo fights fairly similar to what kotelnik does.

tight measured pressure.

which is how ngoudjo fought paulie.

didn't give much away.

that's how kotelnik fights.

the fight would happen in america if it did happen.

paulie wins it.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:28

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Autobarn wrote:Hats off to Kotelnik. Really solid showing from one of the better imports to frequent these shores. I still maintain that he beat Mbaye not once but twice. And I stil fail to see how a very bemused Witter managed to nose ahead of AK.
Witter won 1-6 against Kotelnik who just covered up and didnt throw, Kotenik won 7-11 and Witter took the last. Easy to score for me.

Kotelnik dominated tonight, I gave him every single round, Rees hit elbows all night and kotelnik snapped Rees head back repeatedly ever round. The last few rounds were borderline 10-8s that the commentators were giving to Rees because he punched elbows for the first miniute

Rees probably landed 10% of his shots whereas Kotelnik probably landed 90% of his shots. That was the gulf in class

I can't believe the fans on here had it close and are getting taken in. BUNCE FOR ONCE WAS BANG ON THE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!

I scored it similarly to you. However I didn't have ALL the first 6 to Witter. There were close ones I gave to Kotelnik. I just had Andreas inching ahead by the end. If his blemishes are split decisions, draws and narrow verdicts, all away from home, the feeling is he could've been declared winner.

Good comments from Bunce. I think Woodhall got carried away.

I would like to see Khan gun for Kotelnik when he is ready. If Khan could beat Nate Campbell at lightweight then Kotelnik at light welter, I'd be impressed. If Amir is going to be a legend-in-the-making, he should do it. Obviously he's at least a year away from being ready (at the very least)but no doubt the SN press releases will have some content like this.

black panther · Post by **black panther** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:30

Riddick Blowe wrote:
black panther wrote:Well played Bowe, nice one - though was a close call.
thanks, i thought 50/1 was great round odds, but noone read my betting thread.

about the witter fight- do people think that was an off night for junior or was it kotelnik's tough eastern euro toughness and fundamentals that gave witter problems?

Ive actually got that fight on tape for some reason...Witter boxed from the outside and won the early rounds Kotelnik did next to nothing for the early rounds just covered up but defnitely it was his solid skills that gave Witter all he could handle for the second half. Kotelnik's tight guard and short precise punches will always give the loose but at times wide swinging Witter problems IMO.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:31

amir khan said he does lightweight fine on that secondsout programme a few weeks back.

so i don't expect him to move up in weight yet.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:31

hitman_hatton1 wrote:
Autobarn wrote:If the horribly raw Ngoudjo could push Malignaggi to the limit, I think Kotelnik could beat him. IF he fights with more insistence.
ngoudjo fights fairly similar to what kotelnik does.

tight measured pressure.

which is how ngoudjo fought paulie.

didn't give much away.

that's how kotelnik fights.

the fight would happen in america if it did happen.

paulie wins it.

Paulie isn't so good really - just tricky - and fights bad when his hand is injured. Ngoudjo flails like a raw novice but fights with loads of insistence. Kotelnik much more accurate and measured and I've been an admirer for a good year or two.

Paulie's no better than Mbaye and isn't much faster, so given that I had Kotelnik beating Mbaye clearly (fight 1) and closely (fight 2) I think he can do it. But if it's in NY they'll give it to Paulie regardless.

vargas · Post by **vargas** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:32

I'm pleased for Kotelnik to finally win a World title as I had him winning both M'Baye fights. People say he can't punch but when he let his combinations go his power looked decent.

bigdave82 · Post by **bigdave82** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:35

Hatton's fans are trying to build the Paulie fight into a big event and it just won't wash.

I used to be a fan of Hatton's and went to 5 of his fights as he came through the ranks but his ducking of Witter is just inexcusable.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:36

Autobarn wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Autobarn wrote:Hats off to Kotelnik. Really solid showing from one of the better imports to frequent these shores. I still maintain that he beat Mbaye not once but twice. And I stil fail to see how a very bemused Witter managed to nose ahead of AK.
Witter won 1-6 against Kotelnik who just covered up and didnt throw, Kotenik won 7-11 and Witter took the last. Easy to score for me.

Kotelnik dominated tonight, I gave him every single round, Rees hit elbows all night and kotelnik snapped Rees head back repeatedly ever round. The last few rounds were borderline 10-8s that the commentators were giving to Rees because he punched elbows for the first miniute

Rees probably landed 10% of his shots whereas Kotelnik probably landed 90% of his shots. That was the gulf in class

I can't believe the fans on here had it close and are getting taken in. BUNCE FOR ONCE WAS BANG ON THE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!
I scored it similarly to you. However I didn't have ALL the first 6 to Witter. There were close ones I gave to Kotelnik. I just had Andreas inching ahead by the end. If his blemishes are split decisions, draws and narrow verdicts, all away from home, the feeling is he could've been declared winner.

Good comments from Bunce. I think Woodhall got carried away.

I would like to see Khan gun for Kotelnik when he is ready. If Khan could beat Nate Campbell at lightweight then Kotelnik at light welter, I'd be impressed. If Amir is going to be a legend-in-the-making, he should do it. Obviously he's at least a year away from being ready (at the very least)but no doubt the SN press releases will have some content like this.

Is Witter a NAte Cambell win away from being a legend too then

, I'm not sure Warren will want Khan to step for a while yet and when he does beating Nate Campbell and Kotelnik will not make him a legend. If he beat Pacquaio, Campbell, Hatton and Witter it would be something to talk about but that won't happen

I am a Witter fan but I couldnt give any of the first 6 to Kotenik, maybe the 6th at a stretch and that would make it a draw. Witter looked bad that night.

Witter and Kotelnik need to rematch and the winner is WBC-WBA unified champ, I reckon Witter shows up this time

The_Don1 · Post by **The_Don1** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:38

I had it even going into round 12, I can't see how Kotelknik was 3 or even 5 rounds ahead as the judges had it. Rees was up there on sheer work rate.

At the end of the day, Rees is not a light-welter and I didn't give him a chance of winning, his style is very predictable, coming in with flurries to the body all the time, that's all he can hope to do at that weight.

If Rees steps down to super-feather he'll be a force to reckon with, but the difference in size is too much for him at light-welter, there's no power in shots.

I am glad Kotelnik got justice though, he deffo beat M'Baye a year ago.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:39

Thought I'd backed the right man after that first round....but the other guy was just warming up.

Rees is a hard bastard though, he took a right pounding in there.

Did I hear Enzo giving the other guy some credit at the end, almost??

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:40

Autobarn wrote:
hitman_hatton1 wrote:
Autobarn wrote:If the horribly raw Ngoudjo could push Malignaggi to the limit, I think Kotelnik could beat him. IF he fights with more insistence.
ngoudjo fights fairly similar to what kotelnik does.

tight measured pressure.

which is how ngoudjo fought paulie.

didn't give much away.

that's how kotelnik fights.

the fight would happen in america if it did happen.

paulie wins it.
Paulie isn't so good really - just tricky - and fights bad when his hand is injured. Ngoudjo flails like a raw novice but fights with loads of insistence. Kotelnik much more accurate and measured and I've been an admirer for a good year or two.

Paulie's no better than Mbaye and isn't much faster, so given that I had Kotelnik beating Mbaye clearly (fight 1) and closely (fight 2) I think he can do it. But if it's in NY they'll give it to Paulie regardless.

I think Ngoudjo is an exceptional athlete, sort of like a Jermain Taylor of the 140lbers. Ngoudjo should have got wins over Paulie and Castillo.

Paulie has 1 top class win and winning every round against Ndou (which is supposedly what happened) is excellent no 2 ways about it. I'm not sure how good Paulie is but his lack of any sort of power will surely see his time as belt holder short reigned

bigdave82 · Post by **bigdave82** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:42

The_Don1 wrote:I had it even going into round 12, I can't see how Kotelknik was 3 or even 5 rounds ahead as the judges had it. Rees was up there on sheer work rate.

At the end of the day, Rees is not a light-welter and I didn't give him a chance of winning, his style is very predictable, coming in with flurries to the body all the time, that's all he can hope to do at that weight.

If Rees steps down to super-feather he'll be a force to reckon with, but the difference in size is too much for him at light-welter, there's no power in shots.

I am glad Kotelnik got justice though, he deffo beat M'Baye a year ago.

Work-rate should come behind to quality of punching and the effect it has on the opponent as a criterion for judging

glahn · Post by **glahn** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:42

I reckon Khan would beat Kotelnik.

Fernzy · Post by **Fernzy** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:47

Really brave effort from Gavin but he just got outclassed in the end, glad the ref stopped it when he did.I really enjoyed the fight though.

I felt Gavin was just fighting on instinct going into the last few rounds.His defence was utterly terrible though, time after time he just went in for an attack and moved back with his chin up in the air, far too easy for Kotelnik.Why he didn't learn to keep his glove up when he was continually getting hit with the same punch was beyond me.

He's in over his head at world title level.Let's face it, M'Baye was so lacklustre when he fought him.He needs to go for the British or European title once he's dusted himself down after this defeat, hopefully it wont have a lasting effect on him.

If Witter cannot get Hatton anytime soon, then I'd be quite happy to see him face Kotelnik again.It would be a good chance of another title for Witter and I'm sure Kotelnick would be willing to fight him again.

The_Don1 · Post by **The_Don1** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:50

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Work-rate should come behind to quality of punching and the effect it has on the opponent as a criterion for judging[/quote]

well its all subjective, rees was busier for most for the rounds, that's why I had him up there