mundine at middleweight

pawpaw · Post by **pawpaw** » 07 Apr 2008, 03:22

how would he go?

speed is mundines greatest weapon. speed of hand and foot. and mundine is regarded as a puncher, and physically strong, even at super middle.

i dont know how hard he does it to make SM. but i do know he has spoken of fighting at middle. which suggests that he feels its at least possible. i think he weighed in underweight in his last fight?

if mundine can compete at super middle, and retain his strength and stamina, who in the middleweight division WOULDNT he beat?

Grant · Post by **Grant** » 07 Apr 2008, 03:44

Who says Anthony is regarded as a 'puncher' at SM?

Its pretty hard to judge from what we have seen.

Manny Siaca didn't seem to be affected by him.

He Kayoed Lester Ellis, and.......Sam Solomon and....... well a few others but I don't think anyone really considers him a puncher.

I would love to see him at middleweight but would rather he do SM properly and fight Kessler.

theHitman · Post by **theHitman** » 07 Apr 2008, 10:06

If he can make middleweight - he definitely should. His main problem is that soem SMW can bully him in terms of sheer power - for instance I would avoid Andrade at all cost if I was Mundine.

Pavlik would also be rough for Mundine, but I think he would beat anyone else - well Abraham vs Mundine is probably a toss-up.

Either way he should get in the mix - not by meeting KEssler - because Kessler just has his number. He should make some fights with other good people.

toppity · Post by **toppity** » 07 Apr 2008, 18:04

pawpaw wrote:how would he go?

speed is mundines greatest weapon. speed of hand and foot. and mundine is regarded as a puncher, and physically strong, even at super middle.

i dont know how hard he does it to make SM. but i do know he has spoken of fighting at middle. which suggests that he feels its at least possible. i think he weighed in underweight in his last fight?

if mundine can compete at super middle, and retain his strength and stamina, who in the middleweight division WOULDNT he beat?

Pavlik, he's a lighter better version of kessler, with as much pop.
I would still like to know who regards him as a puncher? If you read the comments in the current scene forum you will see that most pundits credit him with skill and speed but little else.

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 07 Apr 2008, 18:38

Anthony is bigger than his father, Tony, who moved up to Light Heavyweight because he was having trouble making middleweight. Anthony is a very gaunt 12 stoner. I could not see him fighting at 11 stone 6 pounds, regardless of what old Roy thinks.

calmac66 · Post by **calmac66** » 07 Apr 2008, 18:55

I think in his mid 30s it would be too late for him to drop down comfortably. I imagine he would lose a bit of his speed just from the effort of making weight. He seems like a natural SMW.

pawpaw · Post by **pawpaw** » 07 Apr 2008, 19:07

mundine is a puncher/boxer. but he is still a puncher. he can produce 1 punch ko's. mundine is a puncher. period.

calmac66 · Post by **calmac66** » 07 Apr 2008, 19:16

pawpaw wrote:mundine is a puncher/boxer. but he is still a puncher. he can produce 1 punch ko's. mundine is a puncher. period.

His KOs are often due to accuraccy not power, I think he loses that accuracy when he drops to MW as he loses speed and footwork. Have a look at the Nieveas fight, Nieveas walked into his right and left all night and was still standing.

theHitman · Post by **theHitman** » 07 Apr 2008, 19:18

toppity wrote:
pawpaw wrote:how would he go?

speed is mundines greatest weapon. speed of hand and foot. and mundine is regarded as a puncher, and physically strong, even at super middle.

i dont know how hard he does it to make SM. but i do know he has spoken of fighting at middle. which suggests that he feels its at least possible. i think he weighed in underweight in his last fight?

if mundine can compete at super middle, and retain his strength and stamina, who in the middleweight division WOULDNT he beat?
Pavlik, he's a lighter better version of kessler, with as much pop.
I would still like to know who regards him as a puncher? If you read the comments in the current scene forum you will see that most pundits credit him with skill and speed but little else.

I honestly see Pavlik as a poor man's Kessler. They are pretty similar except that Kessler punches far more accurately and is technically more sound.

It would be interesting to see Kessler vs Pavlik.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 07 Apr 2008, 19:59

Kessler would dominate Pavlik IMO.

I doubt Mundine could easily make 160. If he could why wouldn't he have done it before?

In any case I think the result would be the same as at 168 i.e. he could beat up on some average fighters and then lose when he steps up to the elite in the division (Pavlik, Wright, Abraham, etc)

He would probably beat Sturm...

buster007 · Post by **buster007** » 07 Apr 2008, 23:01

he's too big, and that's just his ego. he wouldn't have enough strength.

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 08 Apr 2008, 03:35

pawpaw wrote:mundine is a puncher/boxer. but he is still a puncher. he can produce 1 punch ko's. mundine is a puncher. period.

Mundine isnt a puncher. He would be classed a boxer. When was the last time he KOd a good opponent that had a chin.

Grant · Post by **Grant** » 08 Apr 2008, 04:05

I agree Ben, We just don't know about 'the man' because of the standard of fighter he goes up against.

I can however see him dropping back if he can find the right opponent.

toppity · Post by **toppity** » 08 Apr 2008, 04:06

Grant wrote:I agree Ben, We just don't know about 'the man' because of the standard of fighter he goes up against.

I can however see him dropping back if he can find the right opponent.

Sams the man if he wants to have a fair fight at middleweight.

theHitman · Post by **theHitman** » 08 Apr 2008, 07:22

toppity wrote:
Grant wrote:I agree Ben, We just don't know about 'the man' because of the standard of fighter he goes up against.

I can however see him dropping back if he can find the right opponent.
Sams the man if he wants to have a fair fight at middleweight.

I can understand if Mundine wants an australian fight - he is afterall Australian. I can also understand if he doesn't want to fight someone he already fought in Kessler.

Personalyl however I would want him to fight someoen like Lacy.

calmac66 · Post by **calmac66** » 08 Apr 2008, 20:10

theHitman wrote:
toppity wrote:
Grant wrote:I agree Ben, We just don't know about 'the man' because of the standard of fighter he goes up against.

I can however see him dropping back if he can find the right opponent.
Sams the man if he wants to have a fair fight at middleweight.
I can understand if Mundine wants an australian fight - he is afterall Australian. I can also understand if he doesn't want to fight someone he already fought in Kessler.

Personalyl however I would want him to fight someoen like Lacy.

I would like to see him fight Lacy or Allan Green. Either of those fights would give him a foot in the door in America. Personally I could see him trying to line up a fight with Beyer now that he is on the comeback.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 08 Apr 2008, 21:59

calmac66 wrote:
theHitman wrote:
toppity wrote: Sams the man if he wants to have a fair fight at middleweight.
I can understand if Mundine wants an australian fight - he is afterall Australian. I can also understand if he doesn't want to fight someone he already fought in Kessler.

Personalyl however I would want him to fight someoen like Lacy.
I would like to see him fight Lacy or Allan Green. Either of those fights would give him a foot in the door in America. Personally I could see him trying to line up a fight with Beyer now that he is on the comeback.

They are all very winnable fights, but none of them will come to Australia...

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 08 Apr 2008, 23:42

If the money is right they will come.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 09 Apr 2008, 00:14

Brute wrote:If the money is right they will come.

We are talking about a Mundine card...

pawpaw · Post by **pawpaw** » 09 Apr 2008, 03:31

Marlin wrote:
Brute wrote:If the money is right they will come.
We are talking about a Mundine card...

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 09 Apr 2008, 07:14

Fair comment. 8)

madball1982 · Post by **madball1982** » 10 Apr 2008, 01:24

theHitman wrote: I can understand if Mundine wants an australian fight - he is afterall Australian. I can also understand if he doesn't want to fight someone he already fought in Kessler.

Personalyl however I would want him to fight someoen like Lacy.

If I was Mundine I'd want to fight Kessler again, try and avenge the loss. But by that logic why would he want to fight Green (pre-retirement) and Soliman again? Oh wait, he beat them both last time without any concern, that's why.

Mundine dropping to MW would have almost nothing to do with the weight but a way to avoid fighting Kessler again. That's my opinion, nothing "the man" has done lately makes me think otherwise.

I'd love to see him fight Lacy. I'd love to see Lacy knock him into retirement.

Until Mundine starts fighting quality opponents again, world-class opponents, I will never respect him.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 11 Apr 2008, 14:08

Ultimately, it's a nice idea, one I've thought of. Mundine - on paper - could school a fighter as basic as Pavlik.

However, all the big names like Pavlik and Taylor have moved up or will do soon.

And it probably would be hard to move down at this stage.

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 11 Apr 2008, 21:33

Pavlik is a basic fighter. Pavlik who took his title off the man who beat Bernard Hopkins twice.

Be serious.

Hounddawg · Post by **Hounddawg** » 12 Apr 2008, 09:45

Brute wrote:Pavlik is a basic fighter. Pavlik who took his title off the man who beat Bernard Hopkins twice.

Be serious.

I agree i wouldn't call Pavlik basic. Taylor twice, Miranda, mckart,these are quality opposition. And the guys they have beat are quality.
Pavlik would lick Mundine,Kessler at Middle.

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