Louis-Conn I scorecards

raylawpc · Post by **raylawpc** » 22 Apr 2008, 13:49

I see the Williams-Ali thread is now locked.

Woller, did you ever locate the scorecards for the first Louis-Conn fight? I've looked in everything to which I have access, and i can't find anything official.

Woller · Post by **Woller** » 22 Apr 2008, 15:30

Uups, sorry my fault, I have forgotten.
I know for sure I have the scorecards - Will be back tomorrow.
Woller

raylawpc · Post by **raylawpc** » 22 Apr 2008, 17:14

No problem!!

I look forward to seeing the scorecards when you find them.

Martin Sosa Cameron · Post by **Martin Sosa Cameron** » 22 Apr 2008, 17:38

In the Louis vs Conn, I (June 18, 1941), Louis behind on points on two of the cards and even on the other

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 22 Apr 2008, 19:07

any one have there score cards or are most going by the
boxing media legend of the fight.

I have only seen HL's of the bout.

Martin Sosa Cameron · Post by **Martin Sosa Cameron** » 22 Apr 2008, 19:21

Please, see

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

Before the round of the K.O., the cards pointed

7-5
7-4 (1 even)
6-6

Source: Boxeo - Grandes Campeones. Campeones Legendarios, Fascículo 32, Barcelona, Spain, 1998

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 22 Apr 2008, 19:44

Thank you for that.

raylawpc · Post by **raylawpc** » 22 Apr 2008, 20:08

Martin Sosa Cameron wrote:Please, see

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

Before the round of the K.O., the cards pointed

7-5
7-4 (1 even)
6-6

Source: Boxeo - Grandes Campeones. Campeones Legendarios, Fascículo 32, Barcelona, Spain, 1998

Yes, but who were the judges and what how did they and the referee each score it. (If memory serves, the Referee was Eddie Joseph.)

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 23 Apr 2008, 03:35

Anyone that has the full fight...how did you guys score it leading up to the KO?

Woller · Post by **Woller** » 23 Apr 2008, 10:04

Found it at last. According to Ring Magazine, September 1981 this was the scoring:

Referee Eddie Joseph LLC CLL CCC LCC = Conn 7-5

Marty Monroe, Judge LLC CLL CCC ECC = Conn 7-4-1

Bully Healy, Judge LLC CLL LCC LCC = Even 6-6

Woller

raylawpc · Post by **raylawpc** » 23 Apr 2008, 10:34

Thanks Woller.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 23 Apr 2008, 15:52

Conn and Louis

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 23 Apr 2008, 16:06

In the ring after the first Louis-Conn fight.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 23 Apr 2008, 16:09

Referee Eddie Joseph signaling the fight is over at two minutes and fifty eight seconds of the 13th round --- June 18, 1941 in Polo Grounds, New York.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 23 Apr 2008, 17:47

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 25 Apr 2008, 16:26

I had it 7 rounds to 3 and 2 even in favor of Conn.

By the 10-point scring system, I had Conn winning 117-113. It was a great fight. No doubt.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 25 Apr 2008, 22:00

elmersalsa wrote:I had it 7 rounds to 3 and 2 even in favor of Conn.

By the 10-point scring system, I had Conn winning 117-113. It was a great fight. No doubt.

You have it in it's entirety!? Where is the complete fight available?

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 25 Apr 2008, 22:13

/.the official scoring gives lie to the myths that say "all conn had to do was stay on his feet for the last three rounds and he would have won the fight." actually if he had run the last three rounds without fighting if one judge and referee scored it the way the louis/walcott fight was scored louis would have squeaked out a decision.

am i the only one who points out conn was fighting

an aggressive fight ...in with quick combinations and out...so his "attack" in the thirteenth round wasn't radically different from the earlier rounds he won.

also...conn's legs may have been giving out by then....he took some hard shots to the body in the rounds louis on and even in the rounds that conn himself won.

i've always felt that louis just caught up with him as he eventually would do.

a funny side note....louis' trainer, manny seamon used to chew unlighted cigars when he worked the corner...at the end of the fight and as louis was in his corner, joe said "how many seegars did you swallow, manny?"

regardless of how we scored it, it was a great fight by a great champion and a great gutsy challenger.

one more thing before i finish...i don't remember what round it was but it was when conn was making such a magnificent showing...he walked to his corner and held up his hand as a wave to the crowd....a wonderful gesture of confidence and appreciation of the crowd's cheering him on.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 25 Apr 2008, 23:19

Jaclem wrote:
also...conn's legs may have been giving out by then....he took some hard shots to the body in the rounds louis on and even in the rounds that conn himself won.

In that fight Conn moved in and out faster, and punched harder than in any fight in his life---against a great fighter 20 pounds heavier than he was.

He didn't suddenly choose to trade in the final round.

He had used up too much of his gas tank and had been worn down, both by his own exertions against a bigger man and by the bumping he had taken, even if he hadn't been caught yet with a perfect shot.

Notice Conn's chin in that final round. He must have been hit with 20 solid shots by Louis before he went down.

He had one more fight before WW II, against Zale (and he actually ran from middleweight Zale for most of the fight).

And that was the end of Conn.

After the years he lost in WW II, a totally shot Conn had his return fight with Louis, and that was it.

Really bad timing for him and his career.

That one night Billy fought one the greatest fights ever.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 26 Apr 2008, 00:04

Goodnight, Irene wrote:
elmersalsa wrote:I had it 7 rounds to 3 and 2 even in favor of Conn.

By the 10-point scring system, I had Conn winning 117-113. It was a great fight. No doubt.
You have it in it's entirety!? Where is the complete fight available?

No, no, never. He read a Jim Trunzo fantasy fight that's all.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 26 Apr 2008, 01:49

Why is it that collins NEVER posts on the subject of boxing?

He traverses boxrec posting ONLY snipes at other posters.

What a PATHETIC existence.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 26 Apr 2008, 02:24

granberry wrote:Why is it that collins NEVER posts on the subject of boxing?

He traverses boxrec posting ONLY snipes at other posters.

What a PATHETIC existence.

And you think YOUR posts are about boxing? Nonsense like "the traitor Eddie Futch was paid off by the Ali industry". That's boxing talk? Fekk man, that is just ridiculous shite spewed out by a filthy old drunken bum.

Your posts are of a bitter man who has failed to make any mark on life apart from being banned from boxing web sites for racial abuse.

You have nothing to add to this forum apart from freak value.

LOL
.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 26 Apr 2008, 02:46

collins slithers around boxrec with the sole purpose spreading his stench over boxrec.

collins NEVER posts on the subject of boxing.

He always shows up in tandem with his alias, irene.

Recently collins has enlisted low mentality ray and kikibalt to begin his trashing of threads.

Then collins shows up with his further non-boxing tripe.

Collins enlists others to achieve his purpose---the destruction of boxrec.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 26 Apr 2008, 03:56

granberry wrote:collins slithers around boxrec with the sole purpose spreading his stench over boxrec.

collins NEVER posts on the subject of boxing.

He always shows up in tandem with his alias, irene.

Recently collins has enlisted low mentality ray and kikibalt to begin his trashing of threads.

Then collins shows up with his further non-boxing tripe.

Collins enlists others to achieve his purpose---the destruction of boxrec.

Answer the question. Why do you hate boxing so much?

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 26 Apr 2008, 20:55

collins is enabled by boxrec's so-called 'moderator,' buzz.

A useless maggot like collins would have been kicked off any other internet site long ago.