MATTHEW SAAD MUHAMMAD title fights

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 29 Feb 2004, 10:50

so after we take off those two rematches (marvin johnson and yaqui lopez), what would you say saads other best title fights are?

any other all action tear ups?

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 29 Feb 2004, 16:23

Has to be his fight with Richie Kates... makes Foreman vs Lyle look like a barn dance!... his match with Murry Sutherland was great too as were his first two fights with Lopez and Johnson.

Alister · Post by **Alister** » 01 Mar 2004, 11:32

overhand_right wrote:
any other all action tear ups?

I don't think I ever saw a Saad Muhammad fight that wasn't a tear-up. As for tear-up titlefights, you might want to check the Richie Kates fight and the fights with John Conteh and Dwight Braxton. Saad got beat up pretty bad in the 2nd Braxton fight, but their first meeting was a real barn-burner.

Alister

crooked nose · Post by **crooked nose** » 02 Mar 2004, 17:58

The best of his other defenses (from a fan's point of view) was the first Conteh fight. Actually, plenty of boxing skill demonstrated by both, but things heated up when, as in Johnson II, Saad was cut and had to step on the gas. Conteh was in the fight until the ever-persistent Saad floored him in the 14th.

Steve M · Post by **Steve M** » 02 Mar 2004, 21:22

Haven't seen the Conteh fight but wasn't there some controversy that Saad's corner had used an illegal compound to keep a bad cut on Saad's face from bleeding that would have surely stopped the fight in Conteh's favour.

crooked nose · Post by **crooked nose** » 03 Mar 2004, 01:42

I believe there was some controversy which may have led to the rematch. Much anticipated, but Conteh had nothing this time and was blown out in four. Then he got arrested after the fight, chasing a maid naked (Conteh, not the maid) through the hotel corridors.
Actually, Saad had some easy defenses: Conteh II, Mwale and Pergaud. Sutherland was kind of in between. The tough eye-popping bouts that sealed Saad's reputation were Kates, two with Lopez, two with Johnson and the first Conteh.

The Keed · Post by **The Keed** » 03 Mar 2004, 10:13

Steve M wrote:Haven't seen the Conteh fight but wasn't there some controversy that Saad's corner had used an illegal compound to keep a bad cut on Saad's face from bleeding that would have surely stopped the fight in Conteh's favour.

Yes, Saad's cutman was suspended after that. The substance was not only illegal, but it got into Coneth's eyes and affected his vision (you can see him blinking badly all through the fight).

What's even more amazing about this fight is that by this time Conteh had suffered that terrible hand-break that never really healed, and he fought the whole fight pretty much one-handed.

If only the man had two hands, who knows how great he would've been...

kovit · Post by **kovit** » 03 Mar 2004, 12:08

Who was taller in that fight Saad Muhammad or Lottie Mwale in height?

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 03 Mar 2004, 13:31

kovit wrote:Who was taller in that fight Saad Muhammad or Lottie Mwale in height?

OK, I must admit that kovit's height fetish is beginning to creep me out. Kovit, have you considered seeing a licensed mental health specialist about your undiagnosed Procrustean height fixation?

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 03 Mar 2004, 17:02

In Kovits defence I must say that if you are building up a list of fighters records then its very relevent to have the fighters heights. I find it very annoying when I'm looking at a fighters record and the height isn't there.... the height tells you a lot about a fighter, is he short and stocky or long and rangey etc... so don't worry Kovit, I understand.

kovit · Post by **kovit** » 03 Mar 2004, 22:44

Ok, Silkov, but answer me back if Mwale was tall at 6 feet under or over.

Grey · Post by **Grey** » 03 Mar 2004, 23:26

Silkov ... you deserve a purple heart then.

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 04 Mar 2004, 12:52

kovit wrote:Ok, Silkov, but answer me back if Mwale was tall at 6 feet under or over.

So basically you want to know if he was twalle or smwalle?

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 04 Mar 2004, 13:46

I think Mwale rose to around 7 foot after Saad landed that uppercut.

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 04 Mar 2004, 14:04

MightyWarrior wrote:I think Mwale rose to around 7 foot after Saad landed that uppercut.

Pride doth ever goeth before Fwalle... ;)

So getting back to Greek mythology, you might say that Lottie spent an evening at Saad's inn and was stretched by a Procrustean uppercut. I think some liberal-arts student somewhere needs to write a tediously long PhD thesis about that metaphorical convergence, pointing out that of course Theseus and Procrustes were latent homosexuals who used macho bluster as a cover for it - like the bazillion theses along the same lines that have been written about Hemingway.

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 04 Mar 2004, 14:09

Can ya tell the caffeine just kicked in?

kovit · Post by **kovit** » 04 Mar 2004, 23:48

Eric the Viking, just tell me who is taller Saad Muhammad or Lottie Mwale in height when they fought? Here is the hint, Saad Muhammad is 5'11" and how tall is Lottie Mwale in height?

kovit · Post by **kovit** » 05 Mar 2004, 11:14

Silkov read the previous message and help me with that please.

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 05 Mar 2004, 12:05

Silkov, please just tell me who is taller, kovit or Vike? Please tell me!!!

kovit · Post by **kovit** » 06 Mar 2004, 13:10

Silkov, please help me in the fight with Saad Muhammad vs. Lottie Mwale, Saad Muhammad is 5'11" and is Mwale taller than Saad Muhammad in height? Can you find out Silkov please? I not coming here to come and annoy you know. Please help me before you do something else.

kovit · Post by **kovit** » 06 Mar 2004, 23:53

Whatever you do Silkov, don't bypass me.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 07 Mar 2004, 08:54

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!!!!!!!!!

i dont think i've ever had one of my threads get this irritating.

kovit mate, why dont you do some frickin RESAERCH on the net? obviously nobody here knows. if it makes you feel better lottie mwale had a rep for being a "lanky boxer with heavy ahnds" so that would suggest he is taller to me.

im getting mwales fights with saad muhammad and eddie mustafa muhammad on tape soon so i'll let you know somewhere down the line, okay?

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 07 Mar 2004, 17:13

I think (or at least *hope*) kovit is just yanking our chains with this.

kovit · Post by **kovit** » 08 Mar 2004, 23:01

Silkov, do you think Lottie Mwale is 6'0" or 6'1" thats what I'm guessing, do you?

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