australian heavyweight title. has no value!

pawpaw · Post by **pawpaw** » 28 Apr 2008, 03:36

who wants it???? who wants to fight for it???? no one. no challengers. its a fuckin disgrace. old time fighters would turn in their graves. the top 5 wont fight eachother. they all chase shadows for $$.

the australian heavyweight title has become meaningless. i think kali holds it. if he dies before me, perhaps i can steal it from round his waist.. cause no one will challenge him for it!!!! he'll die with it on!!!!

Grant · Post by **Grant** » 28 Apr 2008, 05:02

Doesn't Big Bob still hold it.

What about Wilson/Mirovic VII

ra2006 · Post by **ra2006** » 28 Apr 2008, 07:38

Big Bob does still hold it. I am presuming that he will have to make a defence by October.

But agreed. I think it is disgraceful when the top 5 are not facing off to eachother.

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 29 Apr 2008, 05:03

I have written about this before. Once a fighter wins a regional title he has to relinquish the national title. In the past Jimmy Carruthers held the Australian, Empire and World Bantamweight belts at the same time. Similarly, when Lionel Rose defended his World Bantamweight title against Alan Rudkin he claimed Rudkin's Empire title.

Now if you hold a higher title you cannot hold your national title. It is ridiculous.

toppity · Post by **toppity** » 29 Apr 2008, 05:17

ra2006 wrote:Big Bob does still hold it. I am presuming that he will have to make a defence by October.

But agreed. I think it is disgraceful when the top 5 are not facing off to eachother.

What have the truly local (not Kali) heavies to be afraid of? Apart from Mark and Solo, who may be looking for bigger fish, I don't understand a reluctance to fight. I would even like those two to get it the top end mix. It also needs to be bourne in mind that there are only 10-15 guys in the whole division who would be known to most of us. It would be good to see the ones who are there mix it up a little.

madball1982 · Post by **madball1982** » 29 Apr 2008, 20:11

It's a shame that most don't want to fight each other. Oh well, guess we can just keep watching Mirovic-Wilson swap the title for the next 10yrs. (Coz I'm sure those two are going to still be fighting in that long!)

pawpaw · Post by **pawpaw** » 30 Apr 2008, 04:13

talking to one of australias top boxing 'movers' recently, he is of the opinion that the latest crop of oz heavies is probably the best depth of talent in the heavies weve ever had.

pity they wont fight eachother.

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 01 May 2008, 07:09

Bob Mirovic won the heavyweight title back six months ago. At his age he probably won't be allowed to fight again for a while. Meehan has been winning fights overseas, Haumona is still KOing everybody they put in front of him, De Mori has a streak going.

What is your problem?

Cap · Post by **Cap** » 01 May 2008, 11:48

We have a similar situation here in Canada. The highest rated contender, Frenchie Bergeron, is taking it easy with his career and shows no interest in the national title. Of course, he's a Queebecker so our national title means little to him anyway. The present title holder is Ray Olubowale aka "Mount Kilimanjaro" whose record stands at 5-2-1. National titles have lost their value in the sea of alphabet soup "world" titles and "junior intercontinental" belts.

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 01 May 2008, 22:26

Cap wrote:We have a similar situation here in Canada. The highest rated contender, Frenchie Bergeron, is taking it easy with his career and shows no interest in the national title. Of course, he's a Queebecker so our national title means little to him anyway. The present title holder is Ray Olubowale aka "Mount Kilimanjaro" whose record stands at 5-2-1. National titles have lost their value in the sea of alphabet soup "world" titles and "junior intercontinental" belts.

So will Bergeron now challenge Santa Claus, sorry, Patrice Heureux for the Quebec title?

Cap · Post by **Cap** » 02 May 2008, 12:38

Bergeron apparently has just qualified to be a full-time firefighter. No idea where he is going these days.

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 02 May 2008, 19:34

When I was boxing most pro boxers and footballers had other jobs. Many were garbagemen. Don't laugh. At the time I speak of, garbagemen ran long distances alongside the truck, picked up bins weighting anything up to 50 pounds and lifted them to empty them into the truck. This way you got roadwork and weightlifting and got paid for it. Firefighters have a fitness regimen they have to keep up. It could mesh well with boxing.

toppity · Post by **toppity** » 02 May 2008, 20:52

Brute wrote:When I was boxing most pro boxers and footballers had other jobs. Many were garbagemen. Don't laugh. At the time I speak of, garbagemen ran long distances alongside the truck, picked up bins weighting anything up to 50 pounds and lifted them to empty them into the truck. This way you got roadwork and weightlifting and got paid for it. Firefighters have a fitness regimen they have to keep up. It could mesh well with boxing.

I used to do the same thing for a while doing kerbside paper collection. Excellent for fitness.

el_grande_mauro_mina · Post by **el_grande_mauro_mina** » 06 May 2008, 12:12

Brute wrote:When I was boxing most pro boxers and footballers had other jobs. Many were garbagemen. Don't laugh. At the time I speak of, garbagemen ran long distances alongside the truck, picked up bins weighting anything up to 50 pounds and lifted them to empty them into the truck. This way you got roadwork and weightlifting and got paid for it. Firefighters have a fitness regimen they have to keep up. It could mesh well with boxing.

I was a binman for awhile and that is one tough job! How they did it in the days before the wheelie bin is a mystery. First month, I could not get out of bed in the morning because my body would seized up!

pawpaw · Post by **pawpaw** » 16 May 2008, 04:16

lol. how ironic........

there isnt one aussie heavy prepared to "take out the trash"!! hehehehe..

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 18 May 2008, 07:10

Doesn't Kali Meehan work as a garbageman?

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 23 May 2008, 23:57

Just noticed that Nathan Briggs came in at 231.5 pounds for his fight last night against Fitzgerald. That was his lightest in a long time. Could the "Nasty Boy" be getting serious at last?

toppity · Post by **toppity** » 24 May 2008, 01:22

dont you mean against Kirby? He won by UD as well. I see the Browns also both won on a different card (promoted by their old man).

But lets be honest, Nathan's ship sailed a long time ago. He was only 4 pounds heavier for is fight against Leapai, and we know how that went. I hope he does get serious, for his sake. But even being serious, he will now no long amount to anything more than a gatekepper to the better aussie fighters. Not that thats a bad thing.

el_grande_mauro_mina · Post by **el_grande_mauro_mina** » 24 May 2008, 13:29

I think Briggs is a good fighter, he might be fragile under pressure but he has good fast hands
and a decent dig. Kirby is a tough guy - I think Australian heavyweight boxing is in good shape.
You have a fair few heavyweight fighters in your rating system and they get to fight each other.

Wilson and Big Bob will be hanging them up soon I suppose and Kali Meehan will be fighting more
in the states and Europe.

De Mori has beaten Ed Mahone and for someone with 14 fights thats a good result, and you have the
likes of Pechey, Tomlinson, Kirby, Hoppa etc who can make for decent small hall fights in the future. I think
the heavyweight division in Australia is pretty healthy.

Will Pitt, Radzic and Behan turn over?

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 25 May 2008, 06:41

You seem to know the Aussie heavyweights pretty well for a bloke whose location says South Korea!?!

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 25 May 2008, 19:01

I doubt that there would be many heavyweights in South Korea. Do they show Fox fights over there?

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 25 May 2008, 19:08

According to Boxrec the top heavy in South Korea is Yong Sung Kim, who is 37 years old, 5'9" tall, has won 6 of 11 fights and started out in 1988 as a lightweight.

Maybe we don't have that much of a problem as we think.

I had better get off this subject before some Australian promoter decides to get Yong out here to fight Hopoate.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 25 May 2008, 19:22

Brute wrote:According to Boxrec the top heavy in South Korea is Yong Sung Kim, who is 37 years old, 5'9" tall, has won 6 of 11 fights and started out in 1988 as a lightweight.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 25 May 2008, 19:22

I think Carlos-Wigan is actually from England though...

el_grande_mauro_mina · Post by **el_grande_mauro_mina** » 25 May 2008, 19:59

I am English and am going back to Korea in a few weeks but I do keep abreast of the Australian
scene and know it quite well.

It is suprising how many Aussie heavyweight fights you get to see on youtube

I'm really impressed
with Leapai - he is a solid block of a man who can go places. I think there is a decent strength in depth as
regards heavyweights and I think it will just get better or lets put it this way - I hope it does.

Anyway - here is the best amateur prospect in Australia though he is getting on a bit!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-hl8F3O ... re=related

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