Boxing "re-written" History!

jimglen · Post by **jimglen** » 23 Mar 2004, 04:51

If boxing History could be re-written,

Who are the GREATEST unsung Hero's of ALL-TIME

each original 8 weight divisions (I know there used to be only 6)

list 3 fighters each division...

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 23 Mar 2004, 19:52

jimglen wrote:If boxing History could be re-written,

Who are the GREATEST unsung Hero's of ALL-TIME

each original 8 weight divisions (I know there used to be only 6)

list 3 fighters each division...

Fly: Pascual Perez, Shoji Oguma, Hilario Zapata
Bantam: Manuel Ortiz, Joe Beccera, Alberto Davila
Feather: Chalky Wright, Sugar Ramos, Eusebio Pedroza
Light: Ike Williams, Carlos Ortiz, Rodolfo Gonzalez
Welter: Johnny Bratton, Curtis Cokes, Carlos Palomino
Middle: Tony Zale, Randolph Turpin, Carlos Monzon
Light-heavy: Harold Johnson, Bob Foster, Victor Galindez
Heavy: Tommy Burns, Ezzard Charles, Sonny Liston

jimglen · Post by **jimglen** » 24 Mar 2004, 00:10

Thanks Bennie, good list I'm sure, although I confess to know nothing about most of the "wee" men mentioned.
Ortez, Wright, Ike williams I know about and I've seen Ike in action on tape (excellent).

Johnny Bratton I've read a little about and he sure has got a lot of supporters over at the CBZ.

The middleweights I completely disagree with, the greatest period in boxing history and the greatest P4P fighters,
that division at that time was JAM-PACKED with talent and in Britain alone our McAvoy and Gilroy and Ginger Sadd could have cleaned up or competed "equally" with these guys, it was an OPEN division.

I've yet to see Monzon in action and I can't remember if I ever did while in my teens.

Ezzard Charles is more aptly a light-heavyweight I would say and "1rst. class"

As for the heavies the great names are all that come to mind but what about Arturo Godoy and other consistent fighters Pastor , Bivins, Nova, no one ever talks about Lee Savold he was a good boxer, I've seen film of him, he was also a Top Performer and for YEARS, he must have had something.

And what about our own Woodcock, I honestly think he was our best heavyweight, he was a "hard-hitting" basic stand up boxer, who was ruined by "desperation" on the part of the English need of a World Heavyweight title, he was still "green", not his fault but that shouldn't take away from what he had - and he had a lot to offer (it's a shame).
Britains best for my money.

Thoughts.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 25 Mar 2004, 06:37

This is my list....
Flyweight... Jackie Brown, Peter Kane, Chartai Chinoi
Bantamweight... Manuel Ortiz (very underrated) Pete Sanstol, Fighting harada.
Featherweight... Owen Moran, Kid Kaplan, Benny Bass
Lightweight.... Joe Rivers, Eric Boon, Kenny Lane...
Welterweight... Dixie Kid, Luis Rodrigugez, Amando Muniz....
Middleweight.... Jock Mcavoy, Gorilla Jones, Dick Tiger....
Lightheavy.... Holman Williams, Harold Johnson, Jesse Burnette
Heavyweight.... Nino Valdes, Zora Folley, Eddie Matchen...... 8)

Alex · Post by **Alex** » 03 Apr 2004, 07:39

Middleweight Marcel Thil rarely receives the recognition he deserves.

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=017887

{amateur} · Post by **{amateur}** » 03 Apr 2004, 09:14

Im Lazy i only did 3

HeavyWeight-Sonny Liston, Henry Armstrong, Ezzard Charles
MiddleWeight-Jake La Motta, Hector Camacho Jr, Marcel Cerdera
WeleterWeight-Roberto Duran, Vernon Forrest, Wilfred Benitez

{amateur} · Post by **{amateur}** » 03 Apr 2004, 09:17

Artur Grigorian gets not much respect and he was champ for a long time before he got his arse wooped by Freitas. And that is at Light weight.

TheRiverCityHippy · Post by **TheRiverCityHippy** » 10 Apr 2004, 18:53

amateur am i reading your post right, have you got homicide hank down as a heavy?
he was certainly a heavyweight metaphorically speaking but physically?

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 10 Apr 2004, 19:37

Resondo Alvarez should be among the flyweight - would be a shoe-in for the hall of fame if it wasn't for the fact he lived in Ricardo Lopez's shadow.

Long time world champion and the only fighter to run Lopez close.

crooked nose · Post by **crooked nose** » 10 Apr 2004, 22:22

Heavy- Jimmy Young, Harry Wills, Mike Weaver
Light-heavy- Yaqui Lopez, Holman Williams, Ezzard Charles
Middle- Charley Burley, Bennie Briscoe, Ronnie Harris
Welter- Curtis Cokes, Marlon Starling, Armando Muniz
Light- Edwin Rosario, Davey Day, Joe Gans
Feather- Ruben Castillo, Gerald Hayes, Genaro Hernandez
Bantam- Greg Richardson, Oscar Muniz, Leonardo Cruz
Fly- Miguel Canto, Yoko Gushiken, Jimmy Wilde

I'm not saying all these guys are all-time greats (though some are). I just think all of them deserve more recognition.

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 12 Apr 2004, 11:22

headhunter wrote:amateur am i reading your post right, have you got homicide hank down as a heavy?
he was certainly a heavyweight metaphorically speaking but physically?

He's also got Camabitcho Jr. down at Middleweight - uh, yeah, sure, anything you say, kid.

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 12 Apr 2004, 11:25

And guys, the thread topic specifically says UNSUNG heroes. Guys like Ezzard Charles, Bob Foster and Wilfred Benitez (to give just a few of the names of acknowledged all-time greats people have mentioned here) are NOT unsung.

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