George Foreman V Joe Frazier

[Robinson]

What a power punching man mountain

[p4p1]

you can see where that massive amount of power comes from in that photo cant you

[Robinson]

Plus he has such core strength and big legs.

He is my GF favourite fighter and she wants to
find his weight training routine....not that she
would be able to emulate it...

[p4p1]

Plus he has such core strength and big legs.

He is my GF favourite fighter and she wants to
find his weight training routine....not that she
would be able to emulate it...

im geeting thoughts of marge simpson when she becomes a body builder when she is on top of homer

[BoxBuzz]

George is about the toughest character in history to beat by the "I'll take three to get in one" method.
Hard to see Joe overcoming his tried and true tactic to get this job done. Possible but not very probable.

[TheOneIsHere2008]

George is about the toughest character in history to beat by the "I'll take three to get in one" method.
Hard to see Joe overcoming his tried and true tactic to get this job done. Possible but not very probable.

Respectfully, that's a semantic argument...

It's possible that Ralph Nader might be the next American president...After all, his name will be on the ballot in enough states to garner 270 Electoral Votes...

If they fought every month for a decade I don't see Joe ever beating Big George...He's all wrong for him...

[Robinson]

TOIH2008

If they both fought in 1969-1970 how do you see the fight ?

Do you think that then Foreman would be able to beat Frazier?

[chuvalo_rules]

I think Foreman had the most devistating jab in the history of Heavy Weight Boxing. Fighters like Frazier and Chuvalo who were used to flicking off jabs with no ill effect, could not do this against George. His left was almost as powerfull as a straight right from most any other Heavyweight. Ali used cunning and tactics to fool George. He kept asking George if "Is that all you can do with your left hand?". Ali was saying this because the left jab was getting through and hurting Ali. For some reason George got psyched out and started throwing wild wide shots instead of sticking to the jab. That is why he got tired out and lost the Championship to Ali. I think George would have remained champ until the late 70's and maybe lost a decision to Holmes. If you take George's 90's brain and his 70's body, I don't think he would ever be defeated.

[TheOneIsHere2008]

TOIH2008

If they both fought in 1969-1970 how do you see the fight ?

Do you think that then Foreman would be able to beat Frazier?

Styles make fights....

I think it is highly, highly unlikely that Joe Frazier ever beats George Foreman....If you want to push their meeting to such a time where George had just turned professional and Joe was a grizzled veteran I guess it's possible...

I will say if Olympic George faced Olympic Joe , George would dispose of him in two rounds...

[andyc6665]

I rate Frazier above Foreman on my all time heavyweight list because i believe that he would of been able to beat more great fighters than what Foreman could at least with them in there primes anyway.

However Foreman had Fraziers number and because of that i don't think any version of Joe including the 1971 version of Frazier could have beaten Foreman. Its just one of those things where styles make fights.

Riddick Bowe beat Evander Holyfield 2 out of 3 times but Holyfield is usually rated higher on many people's lists.

[HomicideHenry]

The hardest punch I ever seen was in the first Foreman-Frazier fight, and that was when he got Joe into the corner, and Frazier bobbed down and KA-BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM a right uppercut from Foreman. How the hell Frazier managed to get back up from that one, let alone get knocked down 3-4 more times and still get up, is no short of a miracle.

[ringsider]

Foreman beats Joe every day, all day.......Frazier was made to order for Foreman.

[Datsue]

P4P#1: thanks for that pic of George at the Holyfield weigh-in.

Who's that dude on the right of the pic staring in terror at George's biceps?

[raylawpc]

George is about the toughest character in history to beat by the "I'll take three to get in one" method.
Hard to see Joe overcoming his tried and true tactic to get this job done. Possible but not very probable.

Respectfully, that's a semantic argument...

Respectfully, no its not. The reason? With that devastating left hook, Frazier would have a puncher's chance against anyone who ever held the title. So, I agree with buzz that its possible. Is it likely? No, because Foreman seemed to have the perfect style and physical talents to take Frazier every time.

[Ambling Alp]

I agree that Frazier would have a puncher's chance. Frazier's biggest problem was being a slow starter as much as anything.

If they fought 10 times, Frazier is going to win atleast once. If he can land his left hook on the button before Foreman nails him, it could happen.

Foreman had a great chin, but as Lyle showed, he could be hurt. If Frazier got him hurt, he probably wouldn't let him off the hook.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Frazier could not hurt Foreman. He landed.

[observer1]

It's silly to compare Frazier to Tyson.

There were both aggressive heavy punchers. However, there were two very very key differences.

Frazier tended to move foward, close in, and land the big haye maker. Whilst closing in, he would take any punches thrown at him, either by being hit on the head or blocking it with his gloves. He would rarely try to evade punches.

Tyson on the other hand tended to dip and slip side to side and bop up and down and look for Combos.

Frazier could usually take most punches, but against Foreman, he could not handle soo much bombs. His style was not suitable against Foreman.

Tyson on the other hand would have a different approach. Unleashing combos and moving around rather than rushing towards the big man going Toe To Toe.

Tyson > Foreman > Frazier

[Ambling Alp]

Couldn't disagree with you more. Frazier had great head movement. For a pressure fighter, he was hard to hit. Foreman would hit Tyson easier than he hit Frazier.

Frazier often threw punches in bunches. Frazier was much tougher than Tyson. Hard to imagine Tyson getting up 6 times.

Tyson was a faster starter than Frazier which would give a better offensive chance against Foreman. If Tyson didn't land something big early, he would have very little chance. Most likely Tyson gets blown away early as well.

[p4p1]

Couldn't disagree with you more. Frazier had great head movement. For a pressure fighter, he was hard to hit. Foreman would hit Tyson easier than he hit Frazier.

Frazier often threw punches in bunches. Frazier was much tougher than Tyson. Hard to imagine Tyson getting up 6 times.

Tyson was a faster starter than Frazier which would give a better offensive chance against Foreman. If Tyson didn't land something big early, he would have very little chance. Most likely Tyson gets blown away early as well.

completely agree with that post ali said frazier was alot harder to hit than people give him credit for

[p4p1]

P4P#1: thanks for that pic of George at the Holyfield weigh-in.

Who's that dude on the right of the pic staring in terror at George's biceps?

not a clue but i am glad you pointed him out to me

[The Great John L]

completely agree with that post ali said frazier was alot harder to hit than people give him credit for

Agreed. Many on this thread should probably watch Frazier-Foreman II. It's hardly difficult to imagine a prime and much faster Frazier beating Foreman at least once in a 4 fight series.

[Goodnight, Irene]

It's silly to compare Frazier to Tyson.

There were both aggressive heavy punchers. However, there were two very very key differences.

Frazier tended to move foward, close in, and land the big haye maker. Whilst closing in, he would take any punches thrown at him, either by being hit on the head or blocking it with his gloves. He would rarely try to evade punches.

Tyson on the other hand tended to dip and slip side to side and bop up and down and look for Combos.

Frazier could usually take most punches, but against Foreman, he could not handle soo much bombs. His style was not suitable against Foreman.

Tyson on the other hand would have a different approach. Unleashing combos and moving around rather than rushing towards the big man going Toe To Toe.

Tyson > Foreman > Frazier

There are more similiarities than differences with Frazier & Tyson. It's not silly. Physically, Frazier is a poor man's Tyson. Psychologically, Tyson is unworthy of being labelled a poor man's Frazier.

[Goodnight, Irene]

completely agree with that post ali said frazier was alot harder to hit than people give him credit for

Agreed. Many on this thread should probably watch Frazier-Foreman II. It's hardly difficult to imagine a prime and much faster Frazier beating Foreman at least once in a 4 fight series.

With respect, Foreman was past it as well, even though his slide was more mental than physical. Even so, a completely ruined Frazier gave a reasonable account of himself, but Foreman was never in doubt in that fight, either. Again, Frazier landed. Again, he couldn't hurt Foreman.

[observer1]

Couldn't disagree with you more. Frazier had great head movement. For a pressure fighter, he was hard to hit. Foreman would hit Tyson easier than he hit Frazier.

Frazier often threw punches in bunches. Frazier was much tougher than Tyson. Hard to imagine Tyson getting up 6 times.

Tyson was a faster starter than Frazier which would give a better offensive chance against Foreman. If Tyson didn't land something big early, he would have very little chance. Most likely Tyson gets blown away early as well.

Frazier did get some good Combo's. But Tyson could throw more sharper and faster combo's.

Frazier was tough, i agree, but Tyson had a Cast-Iron Jaw anyway, something a few people on these forums don't give him credit for

[Goodnight, Irene]

"Cast-iron" may be a stretch, however, I agree Tyson's chin trumps Frazier's in its ability to absorb one or two big shots. It hardly matters in this bout, though. Tyson loses heart the minute Foreman lands (& with Tyson's reach disparity & similiarity in his approach to Frazier, there seems little doubt that, in spite of the speed disparity, Foreman will land first).

Foreman's first fight with Frazier is an excellent (not perfect, but good enough) blueprint for a hypothetical match-up with Tyson. It tells the story, IMO.