AIBA Youth World Championships - 2008

[Dennis]

Luis Arias just won by RSC in the 2nd round. I don't know what happened in Traon Bynum's bout with the Cuban. I missed it on AIBA's site and they don't have it posted in the results page yet.

[Dennis]

Here is a link to a list of the country codes for Olympic sports: http://geography.about.com/od/countryin ... ccodes.htm

[boxmel]

Dennis - just post the link to the website where you found the info and delete the list.

[Dennis]

Done.

[Dennis]

Traon Bynum lost to the Cuban by a score of 8-16.

[Dennis]

Adam Lopez defeated the boxer from France by a score of 12-11.

[locoxelbox]

I didn´t see too many bouts yesterday as I had some of my boxers fighting. However I saw two US boxers. 60 kg lost to the cuban, he was strong but got outboxed. The americans are too slow on their feet and get hit too easy against fast movers.
The 69 kg Errol Spence won a hardfought bout against a good colombian. The fight was very close despite the 11-4 score. The american was rocked twice in the last round and looked tired.
The scoring hasn´t been good. They are hardly scoring bodyshots (unless you´re a mexican powerpuncher) and it´s too low in general.

[Dennis]

USA boxers bouts scheduled for today:
Afternoon bouts:
54kg - Joshua Berrelleza (Riverside, Calif.) boxing Ecuador's Jonathan Valarezo
64kg - Roscoe Hill IV (Spring, Texas) boxing Mexico's Alfonso Felipe Ugalde.

Evening bouts:
57kg - Kevin Rivers (Fort Washington, Md.) boxing Belarus' Vitali Varabyeu
91kg - Nicholas Kisner (Glen Burnie, Md.) boxing Czech Republic's Martin Krelina
91+kg - Joey Dawejko boxing Virgin Island's Clayton Laurent.

Good luck to all 5 boxers as they try to move on in this tournament.

[JMac]

The scoring hasn´t been good. They are hardly scoring bodyshots and it´s too low in general.

Same crap that happened in Beijing. The system needs to and will go before London 2012.

[Dennis]

The scoring hasn´t been good. They are hardly scoring bodyshots and it´s too low in general.

Same crap that happened in Beijing. The system needs to and will go before London 2012.

The system needs to go bye-bye before the start of 2009. Hurry up AIBA and implement the new system!

[boxmel]

Same crap that happened in Beijing. The system needs to and will go before London 2012.

Is it the system? Or the people using the system? The computer only does what the user tells it to do. Maybe having the individual score and throwing out the high and low scores will work better.

[JMac]

Same crap that happened in Beijing. The system needs to and will go before London 2012.

Is it the system? Or the people using the system? The computer only does what the user tells it to do. Maybe having the individual score and throwing out the high and low scores will work better.

It's both the system and the people pushing buttons and if maybe using the individual, with highs and lows tossed out might make it better but I don't like how the "system" has changed the style of boxing. They also need to get rid of the evaluation used to critique the judges. That is a big part of the problem on the international level.

[Dennis]

I agree its both and that the evaluation is at fault too. Let's have individual judges scores and they can be added to get the total score so if they want to keep open scoring they can. I don't think they should, but that is another issue.

The scores should be very high as you could potentially get 5 points for 1 punch that lands. You would also get 1 point if only one judge can see the punch land. The scores should be like 65-50, 110-88, and other high numbers. How does that sound? I'm sure some wouldn't like it.

[boxmel]

They also need to get rid of the evaluation used to critique the judges. That is a big part of the problem on the international level.
Yes - it definitely sucks.

The scores should be very high as you could potentially get 5 points for 1 punch that lands. You would also get 1 point if only one judge can see the punch land. The scores should be like 65-50, 110-88, and other high numbers.

Why in the world would you want scores like that? And how would you configure a computer scoring system to differentiate in who sees how many punches in order to assign a points number?

I have a GREAT suggestion. Why don't we just wait and see what AIBA comes up with in its newer, better system. Sigh.

[Dennis]

My system would have each judge being independent and all 5 judges scores being added together for the score shown on the screen. So if the red corner lands a punch and all 5 see it land, then the score goes up by 5 points. An altnernative would be to have each judges score shown separately and then have a total score. It is an idea.

[Dennis]

Joshua Berrelleza lost 5-11 today.

[Dennis]

Roscoe Hill lost 12-15. A good showing, but not quite enough.

[Dennis]

Kevin Rivers lost 11-12 today to a boxer from Belarus.

[Dennis]

Our two big guys won. Nick Kisner defeated the Czech boxer 10-4 and Joey Dawejko defeated the Virgin Islands boxer 16-4. These two could realistically medal.

[Dennis]

There are 5 USA boxers left in the tournament.
51kg - Adam Lopez boxes in the quarterfinals on Wednesday.
69kg - Errol Spence boxes on Tuesday for a chance to advance to the quarterfinals on Wednesday.
75kg - Luis Arias boxes on Tuesday for a chance to advance to the quarterfinals on Wednesday.
91kg - Nicholas Kisner boxes in the quarterfinals on Wednesday.
91+kg - Joey Dawejko boxes in the quarterfinals on Wednesday.

[Dennis]

ISV is US Virgin Islands
BIH , I 'm not 100% sure but I think it is Bosnia/Herzegovina

I don't think those are boxing powerhouses so I think Joey has an easy draw. The US boxers that get easy draws need to take advantage of it and come back with medals. Maybe a couple of the guys with tough draws can medal too. 4 or 5 medals would be great. We will probably be lucky to get 3.

This is what I thought at the beginning of the tourney. I stand by that belief. 5 guys left so I would say we will be lucky to get 3, but I'm still hoping for 4 or 5.

[locoxelbox]

I agree its both and that the evaluation is at fault too. Let's have individual judges scores and they can be added to get the total score so if they want to keep open scoring they can. I don't think they should, but that is another issue.

The scores should be very high as you could potentially get 5 points for 1 punch that lands. You would also get 1 point if only one judge can see the punch land. The scores should be like 65-50, 110-88, and other high numbers. How does that sound? I'm sure some wouldn't like it.

Sorry Dennis but your system would be catastrophic. It's based on competent/non corrupt judges. Here in Mexico one judge has already been left out because he was caught making signs to other judges about the standing of the bout. Yesterday when I was working the corner I could see how the nearest judge was leaning backwards after each potential punch to see if it was scored (there is a small monitor near each corner, so the coaches can see the scoring). The judges highest concern is that they get a good score on the statistics so they can be in the finals, specially those from the eastern bloc countries who bring a lot of presents for other judges/AIBA officials, etc.

On another note this tournament hasn´t been good to USA. They lost their three first bouts yesterday. At least their two heavy guys later. The cubans haven´t done well either. Already four boxers out of the tournament.

[boxmel]

Here in Mexico one judge has already been left out because he was caught making signs to other judges about the standing of the bout.

A definite improvement! I remember the days when this didn't happen at all - ever.
Just out of curiosity, locoxelbox, do you see anything that could be done differently with our boxers to make them better with computer scoring at the international level? Does it look like a cloning of our Beijing open boxers? Would be interested in your comments.

[JMac]

locoxelbox wrote:
The judges highest concern is that they get a good score on the statistics so they can be in the finals, specially those from the eastern bloc countries who bring a lot of presents for other judges/AIBA officials, etc.

That is one of the biggest prolems and the same thing happened in Beijing and every world championship I have been to (9). That is why they need to get rid of the judges evaluation at the same time as the scoring system.
Loco, when you get in the corner, just turn the monitor towards you more so the judge can't see it when he leans back.


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Here in Mexico one judge has already been left out because he was caught making signs to other judges about the standing of the bout.
Mel wrote:
A definite improvement! I remember the days when this didn't happen at all - ever.

Not true. I've seen lots of judges get the boot during world tournaments under Chowdhry. Sometimes they were caught cheating and he wanted to send a message to officials to fear him or he didn't like who they had as a winner in certain bouts.

[boxmel]

Not true. I've seen lots of judges get the boot during world tournaments under Chowdhry. Sometimes they were caught cheating and he wanted to send a message to officials to fear him or he didn't like who they had as a winner in certain bouts.

Guess we, the public, just didn't know about these actions.....???? Or maybe I wasn't as aware of the politics/mechanics as I am now.