AIBA Youth World Championships - 2008

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boxmel wrote:
Not true. I've seen lots of judges get the boot during world tournaments under Chowdhry. Sometimes they were caught cheating and he wanted to send a message to officials to fear him or he didn't like who they had as a winner in certain bouts.
Guess we, the public, just didn't know about these actions.....???? Or maybe I wasn't as aware of the politics/mechanics as I am now. :bow:
You can stop bowing now :roll: Bottom line is there are still plenty of corrupt officials and they need to get rid of them. They have gotten slicker now and aren't so blatantly obvious. I used to say that a blind man could see who was cheating under Chowdhry.
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You can stop bowing now
I'm so rarely incorrect I like to acknowledge when I am. :lol:
Bottom line is there are still plenty of corrupt officials and they need to get rid of them. They have gotten slicker now and aren't so blatantly obvious. I used to say that a blind man could see who was cheating under Chowdhry.
Unfortunately, you are so right and it's sad that the change in leadership hasn't brought about a change in the officiating, too.
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It is sad that officials have incentives to cheat kids. It is the same type of crap that we hear about with the pro game. Officials who want to get selected for shows have to "brown nose" with certain promoters, State Officials, etc.
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ummmm ok can we get updates on the american fighters now...thanks
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ummmm ok can we get updates on the american fighters now...thanks
Hey Corey - you don't have to read. :box: Live scoring and updates are available on www.aiba.net. However, to make you happy, our only boxer in the afternoon session was Luis Arias and he beat Felix Rodriguez from Puerto Rico, 27-1. 8)
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ok i looked it up myself and so far:

luis arias dec. felix rodriguez, pur..23-1
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27-1 NOT 23-1. :D
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lol my bad mel i meant 27-1..but umm i thought errol spence was supposed to fight today too...???
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CoreyWash wrote:lol my bad mel i meant 27-1..but umm i thought errol spence was supposed to fight today too...???
He does in the evening session. His bout will be in about 45-60 minutes.
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thanks dennis..keep me informed please
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So far Spence is dominating. After 2 rounds he is winning 12-1.
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lol my bad mel i meant 27-1..
You're forgiven, Corey. :TU:
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Errol Spence won 15-1.
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USA now has 5 boxers in the quarter-finals. If they all win, then USA would win 5 medals.
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6 - Oscar Molina won tonight (Mexico via Commerce, CA). :DDD
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im glad errol won..that dude is a straight gym rat..2008 has really been his year..he's won the u-19's & the pal's..he went far in the us championships & golden gloves nationals also..
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There were some good action last night and today´s quarter-finals will be very interesting. The americans had some good bouts. I was impressed both by Luis Arias and specially Errol Spence who turned out to be one of the favorites now. However the 69 kg has plenty of good boxers like the romanian (me favorite right now for gold), the uzbek, Oscar Molina (who fought a very good Austrian in a bout with ridiculous home scoring) and also a very good indian. In 64 kg I saw a very good russian and the german, one of the best P4P boxers for now.
Luis Arias looked good but will meet a good czech boxer today and I´d favor both the russian and the cuban over him right now.

They´re saying the kazakh at 60 kg is something special but I´ve not seen enough of him yet.
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Just out of curiosity, locoxelbox, do you see anything that could be done differently with our boxers to make them better with computer scoring at the international level? Does it look like a cloning of our Beijing open boxers? Would be interested in your comments.
Yes, Mel the americans are way too slow on their feet. They can´t cut off the ring against fast movers. Often they advance with their back foot first. They also have very bad balance when they go forward punching. They are always off balance after punching. There is a huge difference with the cuban boxers for example. You can clearly see the difference in (lack of) schooling. The cubans (and russians, kazakh, etc) go in and out punching with perfect balance while the americans get off balance all the time. They also put too much force in their punches which makes them miss wildly and they get countered with cheap punches. I have seen the americans in training and competitions many times and I believe they focus on wrong things and don´t understand the important things they need to improve. Most american boxers a very talented and exciting to watch but they lack technical fundamentals.
It´s very interesting to see the morning trainings of the teams and in the warm-up area before the bouts. You see so many different methods and ideologies. However you need only one minute to see why the cubans, russians, kazakhs are better than the others.
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Thanks, Loco - best assessment I've heard/seen. Appreciate your taking the time and am glad you are there. Who do you have in the tournament?
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locoxelbox wrote:I have seen the americans in training and competitions many times and I believe they focus on wrong things and don´t understand the important things they need to improve. Most american boxers a very talented and exciting to watch but they lack technical fundamentals.
It´s very interesting to see the morning trainings of the teams and in the warm-up area before the bouts. You see so many different methods and ideologies. However you need only one minute to see why the cubans, russians, kazakhs are better than the others.
It was the same thing in international basketball. The US tried to win on talent alone but got beat by teams with better fundamentals. The US basketball "Redeem Team" went back to basic fundamentals and were able to win.
The Russians, Cubans and Kazakhs have a much better system of training coaches compared to the US where the coaching certification system is a joke right now. Hopefully one day that will change.
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JMac - I agree that the coaching certification system is not going to develop the skills necessary to improve our chances at the Olympics. Train-The-Trainers is supposed to help, but when USAB cuts that out of their program for 4 years it is tough. I also think there should be more on-line seminars, clinics, demonstrations, etc that can help the coaches. Trust me, most of us are willing to do what we can to help our boxers improve and have better skills so they can win internationally.
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Loco - I agree that was a great post about the USA boxers and the other countries. Keep 'em coming.
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Loco - So there is some home ring favoritism? I think we get that everywhere.
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Both Adam Lopez and Luis Arias won today. Errol Spence boxes an Uzbec tonight and both Nick Kisner and Joey Dawejko are boxing Kazakhs. Could be tough bouts.
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JMac wrote:Both Adam Lopez and Luis Arias won today. Errol Spence boxes an Uzbec tonight and both Nick Kisner and Joey Dawejko are boxing Kazakhs. Could be tough bouts.
Good that just means when they win a medal they deserved it. Congrats to Adam Lopez and Luis Arias to making it to the medal rounds. I still think Luis has a very good chance at silver and a realistid chance at gold.
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Errol Spence just lost 4-11. He had a good run, but I knew there were a lot of good boxers in his weight class. He also had a tough draw.
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