New Game --- Tough & Tougher...
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Re: New Game --- Tough & Tougher...
Taylor gets my vote.
A couple of ring tigers --- Aaron Pryor or Felix Trinidad?
A couple of ring tigers --- Aaron Pryor or Felix Trinidad?
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Re: New Game --- Tough & Tougher...
Pryor . . before the cocaine
Hector Camacho or Naseem Hamed?
Hector Camacho or Naseem Hamed?
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Re: New Game --- Tough & Tougher...
Hamed had his moment in the sun when he climbed off the canvas a few times against Kelley, but Camacho takes the chocolates, almost by virtue of having simply faced much sterner, tough opposition. To an extent, we saw what Hamed was made of after he was exposed by Barrera.
Meldrick Taylor or Fernando Vargas (Both of them had underrated durability at their short peaks, IMO.)
Meldrick Taylor or Fernando Vargas (Both of them had underrated durability at their short peaks, IMO.)
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OK, I'll revive this thread.
Vargas (narrowly)...
Bernard Hopkins or Roberto Duran?
Vargas (narrowly)...
Bernard Hopkins or Roberto Duran?
Re: New Game --- Tough & Tougher...
B-Hop. Even at his advanced age, he's still never even been close to being stopped.
Sandy Saddler or Henry Armstrong
Sandy Saddler or Henry Armstrong
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Armstrong, simply by virtue of having crossed divisions like few others have, in terms of success. Excellent match-up, though. Two exceedingly hard bastards 
Ray Mancini or Marco Antonio Barrera?
Ray Mancini or Marco Antonio Barrera?
Re: New Game --- Tough & Tougher...
MAB, Mentally (Slightly)
Sugar Ray Robinson/ La Motta
Sugar Ray Robinson/ La Motta
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La Motta.
Carlos Palomino or Antonio Margarito?
Carlos Palomino or Antonio Margarito?
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Tough call. I think Margarito will prove to have him, given enough time. The man is simply extraordinary.
Juan Manuel Marquez or Alexis Arguello?
Juan Manuel Marquez or Alexis Arguello?
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Arguello tougher, like with many on this thread, largely because his style meant he had to take more shots and prove himself as such.
umm.....
Holmes or Lewis?
umm.....
Holmes or Lewis?
Re: New Game --- Tough & Tougher...
Lewis, IMO. Fought everyone out there, eventually, and never fought a man he didnt beat (first or second go lol)
Hopkins or LaMotta?
Hopkins or LaMotta?
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Lewis tougher than Holmes? If you weren't British, they'd lock you up for that manner of lunacyMatthewS wrote:Lewis, IMO. Fought everyone out there, eventually, and never fought a man he didnt beat (first or second go lol)
Hopkins or LaMotta?
Old-time fighters deserve the benefit of the doubt in these arguments. LaMotta over Hopkins.
Jeffries or Marciano?
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I am British, and a big fan of Lennox. But in no way was he tougher than Larry Holmes, who had a superb chin. Holmes would have got knocked down by the punches that knocked out Lewis, difference is he would have got back up and gone on to win.
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Jeffries or Marciano?
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Revived!
Marciano gets the benefit of the doubt. His constant disadvantages in size --- along with Jeffries' constant advantages in size ---just shade Jeffries' more adverse fighting conditions, such as light gloves, longer rounds, midday-scorchers, etc.
Vernon Forrest or Shane Mosley?
Marciano gets the benefit of the doubt. His constant disadvantages in size --- along with Jeffries' constant advantages in size ---just shade Jeffries' more adverse fighting conditions, such as light gloves, longer rounds, midday-scorchers, etc.
Vernon Forrest or Shane Mosley?