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kikibalt wrote:Photo and caption by Dan

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Pops with George Chuvalo
For a guy who nearly had his eyeball punched out by Frazier, Chuvalo looks incredibly unmarked. George always says he blocked and slipped most of the punches coming his way, and this proves it. "Are you nuts or something!" he barked at Arthur Mercante after Mercante stopped him against George Foreman.
It was a bad stoppage.
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Happy Thanksgiving, Guys. Enjoy your day, eat a lot of good food, give thanks and stay safe.

Randy :TU:
What is the lowdown on Thanksgiving? We have Christmas and a big turkey then, but no Thanksgiving.
We're giving thanks to the white men (Diego's uncle Chris) for stealing the country.... :oo :box:,
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dagosd2000 wrote:THANKSGIVING

All the darkened arenas where fighters bled and poured their sweat to pay the rent. All the punches they dealt and received to buy food for their families. This was how they made their living. A human body that wasn't prepared for that kind of life despite all the road work and sit ups and sparring partners that readied them to step into the ring to fight another like him.

Now he's old beyond his age and doesn't remember the fights he had in all those arenas that don't exist anymore. Like the old fighter,those smoky coliseums have been broken down so the new faces can never tell what they once were or who the battlers were that made the crowds roar.

Explain to the youth who the Golden Boy was ,or The Olympic where he made his living ,and you'll get a puzzled smile. But we can put it together ,if only from memory. We're thankfull that we lived there once,and now we can see it in a dream that can never be lost.
They say men don't cry, well I just shed a tear or two after reading this.

Thanks Diego, for putting your thoughts in print.

I want to thank the great writers we have here in this great thread, Bennie, Rick, Diego, Randy, Hap, et al, for all the great memories you have share with us.... :TU:
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What's "test?"
Hap told me that he is having hard time logging in.
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On the Paul Williams-Verno Phillips card this Saturday in Ontario, California, local heavyweight thumper Chris Arreola steps closer to a major world title shot when he meets Travis Walker in a 12-round IBF title eliminator.
Unbeaten Arreola, seeking to become the first man of Mexican origin to lift a 'world' heavyweight belt, has stepped up his opposition this year with wins over Cliff Couser, Israel Garcia and previously unbeaten Chazz Witherspoon. He is big and strong, rough and tough, clearly carries a dig at 25-0 (22) but lacks natural ability and speed. Someone like David Haye would embarrass him. Manuel Ramos would have laughed him right out of the ring.
Still, the 27-year-old comes to fight and should find a ready target in Houston man Walker, who comes to fight himself at a solid 28-1-1 (22) and snapped the unbeaten record of former amateur rival Jason Estrada on a majority eight-round decision back in 2006, for probably his best win. His one loss was controversial. Miami southpaw TJ Wilson rushed out and pinned him in a corner and referee Raul Caiz dived in - after 15 seconds. Walker belted Wilson in two rounds in a quick rematch.
This one will probably be exciting, in a heavyweight sort of exciting, raw and sloppy but earnest. To me Walker looks a lot older than his 29 years, and Arreola should wear him down and force a late stoppage.
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Happy Thanksgiving, Guys. Enjoy your day, eat a lot of good food, give thanks and stay safe.

Randy :TU:
What is the lowdown on Thanksgiving? We have Christmas and a big turkey then, but no Thanksgiving.
From Wikipedia....

Thanksgiving, also known as Thanksgiving Day, is a harvest festival. Traditionally, it is a time to give thanks for the harvest and express gratitude in general. It is primarily a North American holiday which has generally become a national secular holiday with religious origins.
The dates and whereabouts of the first Thanksgiving celebration are a topic of modest contention. Though the earliest attested Thanksgiving celebration was on September 8, 1565 in what is now Saint Augustine, Florida[1][2], the traditional "first Thanksgiving" is venerated as having occurred at the site of Plymouth Plantation, in 1621.
Today, Thanksgiving is celebrated on the second Monday of October in Canada and on the fourth Thursday of November in the United States. Thanksgiving dinner is held on this day, usually as a gathering of family members.

From Randy....

Bennie, a traditional Thanksgiving dinner consists of a Roasted turkey with stuffing, usually made from corn bread, sausage, spices and a wide variety of ingredients, most housewives have their own family recipe. It is usually served with mashed potatoes, more stuffing, a vegetable side dish such as asparagus, green beens or some greens, candied yams, cranberry sauce, pumpkin pie and lots of giblet gravy.

It varies a little depending on where you are in the country. Here in California and the the southwest United States, we have to have tamales with our dinner, and usually some type of salsa or red sauce. In New Orleans they might spice it up as well, and serve some red beans and rice, and their choice of pie is sweet potato and/or pecan. Good stuff. At Roger's house they have a turkey Lasagna smothered in Italian gravy, with side of turkey sausage.

There are some people that prefer a standing rib roast or a baked ham, but most of us save that for Christmas.

The meal is usually preceded by a prayer of thanksgiving for all that has taken place in the last year. As the father and patriarch of my tribe, it's my job, I fumble my way through it. Thanksgiving has it's roots in Judeo-Christian religion but officially it is designated as a secular holiday.

It's my favorite holiday. No expectations, no stress, just family and a good time

Happy Thanksgiving!!
Randy
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Randyman wrote:
bennie wrote:
Randyman wrote:Image

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Happy Thanksgiving, Guys. Enjoy your day, eat a lot of good food, give thanks and stay safe.

Randy :TU:
What is the lowdown on Thanksgiving? We have Christmas and a big turkey then, but no Thanksgiving.
From Wikipedia....

Thanksgiving, also known as Thanksgiving Day, is a harvest festival. Traditionally, it is a time to give thanks for the harvest and express gratitude in general. It is primarily a North American holiday which has generally become a national secular holiday with religious origins.
The dates and whereabouts of the first Thanksgiving celebration are a topic of modest contention. Though the earliest attested Thanksgiving celebration was on September 8, 1565 in what is now Saint Augustine, Florida[1][2], the traditional "first Thanksgiving" is venerated as having occurred at the site of Plymouth Plantation, in 1621.
Today, Thanksgiving is celebrated on the second Monday of October in Canada and on the fourth Thursday of November in the United States. Thanksgiving dinner is held on this day, usually as a gathering of family members.

From Randy....

Bennie, a traditional Thanksgiving dinner consists of a Roasted turkey with stuffing, usually made from corn bread, sausage, spices and a wide variety of ingredients, most housewives have their own family recipe. It is usually served with mashed potatoes, more stuffing, a vegetable side dish such as asparagus, green beens or some greens, candied yams, cranberry sauce, pumpkin pie and lots of giblet gravy.

It varies a little depending on where you are in the country. Here in California and the the southwest United States, we have to have tamales with our dinner, and usually some type of salsa or red sauce. In New Orleans they might spice it up as well, and serve some red beans and rice, and their choice of pie is sweet potato and/or pecan. Good stuff. At Roger's house they have a turkey Lasagna smothered in Italian gravy, with side of turkey sausage.

There are some people that prefer a standing rib roast or a baked ham, but most of us save that for Christmas.

The meal is usually preceded by a prayer of thanksgiving for all that has taken place in the last year. As the father and patriarch of my tribe, it's my job, I fumble my way through it. Thanksgiving has it's roots in Judeo-Christian religion but officially it is designated as a secular holiday.

It's my favorite holiday. No expectations, no stress, just family and a good time

Happy Thanksgiving!!
Randy
Is it also an excuse to get drunk? :D
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kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:THANKSGIVING

All the darkened arenas where fighters bled and poured their sweat to pay the rent. All the punches they dealt and received to buy food for their families. This was how they made their living. A human body that wasn't prepared for that kind of life despite all the road work and sit ups and sparring partners that readied them to step into the ring to fight another like him.

Now he's old beyond his age and doesn't remember the fights he had in all those arenas that don't exist anymore. Like the old fighter,those smoky coliseums have been broken down so the new faces can never tell what they once were or who the battlers were that made the crowds roar.

Explain to the youth who the Golden Boy was ,or The Olympic where he made his living ,and you'll get a puzzled smile. But we can put it together ,if only from memory. We're thankfull that we lived there once,and now we can see it in a dream that can never be lost.
They say men don't cry, well I just shed a tear or two after reading this.

Thanks Diego, for putting your thoughts in print.

I want to thank the great writers we have here in this great thread, Bennie, Rick, Diego, Randy, Hap, et al, for all the great memories you have share with us.... :TU:
Beautiful piece of writing Rog, It really tugs at the heart. I got a little misty eyed myself. That last sentence really says it all. Thank you!!

Randy :box: :TU: :bow:
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Bennie asks..
Is it also an excuse to get drunk?
As long as it is preceded by a short prayer, yes. You'll never find a better excuse.
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Randyman wrote:
Bennie asks..
Is it also an excuse to get drunk?
As long as it is preceded by a short prayer, yes. You'll never find a better excuse.
No offence, Randy. Christmas over here is a just a binge-drinking festival, these days.
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bennie wrote:
Randyman wrote:
Bennie asks..
Is it also an excuse to get drunk?
As long as it is preceded by a short prayer, yes. You'll never find a better excuse.
No offence, Randy. Christmas over here is a just a binge-drinking festival, these days.
No offense taken, it's pretty much the same here. Even more than that everyone goes spending crazy. At Christmas time, there's a bunch of drunks spending money like crazy. I still prefer a simple old fashioned holiday, Thanksgiving, Christmas, or whatever. In my house, it's still the good old days.

Randy :TU:
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Yeah, people go crazy here, shopping till they drop and acting like the shops are shut for a week. It's farcical. The shops are shut for ONE day (Christmas Day, of course). I once worked in a supermarket over the Christmas period and it was NOT festive.
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bennie wrote:Yeah, people go crazy here, shopping till they drop and acting like the shops are shut for a week. It's farcical. The shops are shut for ONE day (Christmas Day, of course). I once worked in a supermarket over the Christmas period and it was NOT festive.
Jeri and I made a vow years ago to keep it simple. That's a job in itself!
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THANKSGIVING

Is it also an excuse to get drunk? :D

Bennie

Since when do we need an excuse to get drunk?... :witzend:
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Over here Christmas is eating too much, drinking too much, spending too much and watching The Great Escape on TV. :TU:
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WHAT I WANT TO DO ON THANKSGIVING

Now I can start drinking egg nog. They only sell it in the stores around the holidays so now I have to guzzle the stuff for the next two months. If I were in legislature I'd enact a law saying you have to make it all year long.

Eat turkey at my sisters' with my wife,my loud mouth son in law,my daughter who will bust his balls everytime he opens his mouth bum rapping Barak Obama,my other daughter coming down from Irvine who's on the rebound looking for a husband ,and my grandchildren. Adam and Amanda from my daughter Patty and her husband the Polack big mouth son in law who thinks about nothing but shooting his guns and bum rapping Barak Obama. And my grandchildren Anthony and Kalina from my daughter Carmela from Irvine who's on the prowl. My daughter in TJ won't be coming because she'll be taking care of my five great grandchildren from my three grandaughters who are in a continual state of pregnancy.

So after listening to all this phony baloney,I'll retire to the back room,turn on the TV and try to find The Twilight Zone Marathon with my glass of egg nog. Only this time I'll spike it with a little Jim Beam. :TU:
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Frank, I thought you were going to be in Arizona? Change of plans? The weather no doubt. Have a great Thanksgiving!

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Randyman wrote:Frank, I thought you were going to be in Arizona? Change of plans? The weather no doubt. Have a great Thanksgiving!

Randy
Yeah, we had a change of plans, not because of the weather, my health... :witzend:

Bobby and his family're coming down today, they're probably on the road as we speak... :TU:
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dagosd2000 wrote:WHAT I WANT TO DO ON THANKSGIVING

Now I can start drinking egg nog. They only sell it in the stores around the holidays so now I have to guzzle the stuff for the next two months. If I were in legislature I'd enact a law saying you have to make it all year long.

Eat turkey at my sisters' with my wife,my loud mouth son in law,my daughter who will bust his balls everytime he opens his mouth bum rapping Barak Obama,my other daughter coming down from Irvine who's on the rebound looking for a husband ,and my grandchildren. Adam and Amanda from my daughter Patty and her husband the Polack big mouth son in law who thinks about nothing but shooting his guns and bum rapping Barak Obama. And my grandchildren Anthony and Kalina from my daughter Carmela from Irvine who's on the prowl. My daughter in TJ won't be coming because she'll be taking care of my five great grandchildren from my three grandaughters who are in a continual state of pregnancy.

So after listening to all this phony baloney,I'll retire to the back room,turn on the TV and try to find The Twilight Zone Marathon with my glass of egg nog. Only this time I'll spike it with a little Jim Beam. :TU:
Diego, you have quite an interesting family, to say the least, I would love to be a fly on wall when all you guys get together... :box: :wink:
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kikibalt wrote:
Randyman wrote:Frank, I thought you were going to be in Arizona? Change of plans? The weather no doubt. Have a great Thanksgiving!

Randy
Yeah, we had a change of plans, not because of the weather, my health... :witzend:

Bobby and his family're coming down today, they're probably on the road as we speak... :TU:
I'll be praying for your good health today Frank, as well everyone on this thread. Hope you feel better.

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kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:WHAT I WANT TO DO ON THANKSGIVING

Now I can start drinking egg nog. They only sell it in the stores around the holidays so now I have to guzzle the stuff for the next two months. If I were in legislature I'd enact a law saying you have to make it all year long.

Eat turkey at my sisters' with my wife,my loud mouth son in law,my daughter who will bust his balls everytime he opens his mouth bum rapping Barak Obama,my other daughter coming down from Irvine who's on the rebound looking for a husband ,and my grandchildren. Adam and Amanda from my daughter Patty and her husband the Polack big mouth son in law who thinks about nothing but shooting his guns and bum rapping Barak Obama. And my grandchildren Anthony and Kalina from my daughter Carmela from Irvine who's on the prowl. My daughter in TJ won't be coming because she'll be taking care of my five great grandchildren from my three grandaughters who are in a continual state of pregnancy.

So after listening to all this phony baloney,I'll retire to the back room,turn on the TV and try to find The Twilight Zone Marathon with my glass of egg nog. Only this time I'll spike it with a little Jim Beam. :TU:
Diego, you have quite an interesting family, to say the least, I would love to be a fly on wall when all you guys get together... :box: :wink:
I forgot to mention egg nog. I'm the same way with egg nog, rog. Hey, that rhyhmed-egg nog rog, :lol:

Interesting indeed!! Sounds like a Twilight Zone marathon just eating dinner!
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Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:WHAT I WANT TO DO ON THANKSGIVING

Now I can start drinking egg nog. They only sell it in the stores around the holidays so now I have to guzzle the stuff for the next two months. If I were in legislature I'd enact a law saying you have to make it all year long.

Eat turkey at my sisters' with my wife,my loud mouth son in law,my daughter who will bust his balls everytime he opens his mouth bum rapping Barak Obama,my other daughter coming down from Irvine who's on the rebound looking for a husband ,and my grandchildren. Adam and Amanda from my daughter Patty and her husband the Polack big mouth son in law who thinks about nothing but shooting his guns and bum rapping Barak Obama. And my grandchildren Anthony and Kalina from my daughter Carmela from Irvine who's on the prowl. My daughter in TJ won't be coming because she'll be taking care of my five great grandchildren from my three grandaughters who are in a continual state of pregnancy.

So after listening to all this phony baloney,I'll retire to the back room,turn on the TV and try to find The Twilight Zone Marathon with my glass of egg nog. Only this time I'll spike it with a little Jim Beam. :TU:
Diego, you have quite an interesting family, to say the least, I would love to be a fly on wall when all you guys get together... :box: :wink:
I forgot to mention egg nog. I'm the same way with egg nog, rog. Hey, that rhyhmed-egg nog rog, :lol:

Interesting indeed!! Sounds like a Twilight Zone marathon just eating dinner!
Thats enough to drive a good man to do some hard core drinking, let me know when WE start, Diego.... :lol:
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Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Randyman wrote:Frank, I thought you were going to be in Arizona? Change of plans? The weather no doubt. Have a great Thanksgiving!

Randy
Yeah, we had a change of plans, not because of the weather, my health... :witzend:

Bobby and his family're coming down today, they're probably on the road as we speak... :TU:
I'll be praying for your good health today Frank, as well everyone on this thread. Hope you feel better.

Randy
Thanks Randy, we can all use a little praying now and then... :TU:
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bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Photo and caption by Dan

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Pops with George Chuvalo
For a guy who nearly had his eyeball punched out by Frazier, Chuvalo looks incredibly unmarked. George always says he blocked and slipped most of the punches coming his way, and this proves it. "Are you nuts or something!" he barked at Arthur Mercante after Mercante stopped him against George Foreman.
It was a bad stoppage.
For that time in his career, George Foreman was fighting pretty smart. Usually he was just winging his punches and nothing else. He was certainly, no Louis, Ali or a Holmes (one of the best) in the Jab department , but when he did jab, it was a pole axe. He should have boxed a little like this when he fought Ali.

I agree about the stoppage. I don't know that Chuvalo was really hurt. He seemed to me to still be in the game. What else could Mercante do? Chuvalo's own corner was about to climb into the ring. However, looking at what was going on in the ring. I can't see what would have been different in the later rounds. Chuvalo might have been knocked out. He might have been hurt. I can understand Chuvalo's corner wanting to keep their fighter safe. Frustrating but understandable.

Chuvalo is one of those guys we talk about when we talk about big hearts. Their courage, stamina and endurance exceeded their skill level. That's what they are remembered for. Heart, I can't say that word enough when I'm talking about certain fighters. On those certain occasions when it is on full display it is enough to make a man misty eyed. It is the quality in a fighter that I admire more than any other. Chuvalo had it in spades. Heart! I just had to say it one more time. Heart!

Randy :box:
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